Comfort Women What do you think?

[KirinMan]

Obeika-san.
I understood your opinion enough.
In a court of law of your country,
If you appealed for this crime, how will be it.
Or please appeal to the International Court of Justice if your opinion is right.
Because a court of law is facilities of that purpose.
Surely you will win.
Probably.

My only hope is that people from not only Japan and the US but also throughout the rest of the world can come to a equitable solution to this matter. That may be naive to some here, but I can always hope.

The biggest "loser" in my opinion is our next generation of children that are never taught that this is one of the atrocities or horrors that occured during WWII, and we all should work towards creating an atmosphere of peace and prosperity for all.

The second biggest "loser" in my opinion is those that refuse to let the past go and work towards a better future, without forgetting of course the history that brought us to this point in time.

If these two can be overcome then all are "winner's".

Hiroyuki-san what do you think?

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

"International Court of Justice"
International Court of Justice - Wikipedia
If you bring an action here, your hope comes true.
It is the main international judicial organization of the United Nations.

It meets your demand enough.

 

[pipokun]

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Obviously Germany and Switzerland also didn't have any legal necessity to do so either, but they did it.
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Just think why the former East European nations and German people still have frustration for the individual conpansation.
Tell me how much conpensation did your parents get from Germany.

The Korean activist's claim is that they forced the victim to refuse the conpensaiton from Japan and that they has agitates Japan did nothing.

As you know the situations were different, Germany has not worked towards rewriting it's history with regards to it's actions during WWII. That is probably another topic altogether.
In my opinion the Comfort Women issue is just one part of a larger issue of the current Japanese Administration's efforts at erasing a large part of it's war history.
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Again, I kindly ask you to bring your kids who learned the rewriting Japan's history in Okinawa .

 

[KirinMan]

Again, I kindly ask you to bring your kids who learned the rewriting Japan's history in Okinawa.

I'm sorry but I have really no idea what you mean here.

 

[pipokun]

Your kids had studied the erasing a large part of it's war history in Okinawa, right?
Bring them here.

 

[KirinMan]

Your kids had studied the erasing a large part of it's war history in Okinawa, right?
Bring them here.

Pipokun, my kids, well 2 out of 3 anyway were born here in Japan. I live in Japan and have been living here for over 20 years now. My oldest was born in the USA but from when she was 1 1/2 yrs old has been living here in Japan.

What are you trying to ask me?

It really wouldn't surprise me that my kids know more about the history of the war here in Okinawa than you do. Don't misunderstand me here, at least here in Okinawa we truly work hard at teaching 窶｢ﾂｽﾋ彗ﾂ studies (peace studies).

Can you say the same for children in mainland Japan?

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

Pipokun, could you be a little more clear with what you're trying to say? Now I'm starting to get confused, too!

 

[caster51]

The biggest "loser" in my opinion is our next generation of children that are never taught that this is one of the atrocities or horrors that occured during WWII, and we all should work towards creating an atmosphere of peace and prosperity for all.
The second biggest "loser" in my opinion is those that refuse to let the past go and work towards a better future, without forgetting of course the history that brought us to this point in time.

I think the biggest loser is the person who dont know " why they sell the lady as a prostitute"
and ppl do it for poverty .......
raping , forced something are old-fashioned in todaY's thouugh.
because the money is mightier than the enforcement
war made ppl mad.
what is origin of WAr, poverty?

 

[pipokun]

In my opinion the Comfort Women issue is just one part of a larger issue of the current Japanese Administration's efforts at erasing a large part of it's war history.

My opinion is just simple that the efforts as obeika claims is not true.

Obeika, what do you think the Korean activist's attitude on this issue?
Do you think they are fair without telling the people what Japan did for a long time and keep telling Japan did nothing?

 

[KirinMan]

My opinion is just simple that the efforts as obeika claims is not true.
Obeika, what do you think the Korean activist's attitude on this issue?
Do you think they are fair without telling the people what Japan did for a long time and keep telling Japan did nothing?

I'm sorry, I still do not understand what your point or question is.

 

[gaijinalways]

Ah, this last one I get. Pipokun is stating he thinks that the Korean activists knew that their government received money earlier from the Japanese government, yet conveniently ignored that fact when complaining about Japan's inaction on this issue. This is what he says is not fair. And you're right Pipokun, in some sense it's not fair. But that still doesn't make what Japan is trying to cover up right.

Mikawa, I didn't have any problems with the nuances of the original question. I still think it's more of a cultural bias in answering that particular question.

And yes, they (the Japanese) are living with those consequences now, as their reputation slowly tanks in Asia.

Obeika, I agree, the past and the future are closely related, but we do need to live in the now, plan for the future, and remember the past so as to avoid some of the mistakes we made before.

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

Mikawa, I didn't have any problems with the nuances of the original question. I still think it's more of a cultural bias in answering that particular question.

You have me intrigued, sir! Could you elaborate?

Your kids had studied the erasing a large part of it's war history in Okinawa, right?
Bring them here.

This is what I was confused about, specifically.

 

[pipokun]

Ah, this last one I get. Pipokun is stating he thinks that the Korean activists knew that their government received money earlier from the Japanese government, yet conveniently ignored that fact when complaining about Japan's inaction on this issue. This is what he says is not fair. And you're right Pipokun, in some sense it's not fair. But that still doesn't make what Japan is trying to cover up right.
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What do you mean Japan is trying to cover up?
The military brothel has been nothing secret at all, though I honestly say that I did not know some women married soldiers even during the harsh period till I read the US document.

Your kids had studied the erasing a large part of it's war history in Okinawa, right?
Bring them here.

Obeika claims Japan is erasing a large part of it's war history, but I cannot agree with him from my past education here. So explanation by his kids is highly appreciated if his claim is true.

 

[caster51]

What do you mean Japan is trying to cover up?

because he lerant Japan is evil from past education...☝
and he was never taught from their past mistakes.
that is why they mistake again and again
I never thought some of them have a chinese Idea...
The distinction between the problem of happening actually in present and the problem of the image from past in the future cannot be understood.
at first they should get out their problems

 

[KirinMan]

Obeika claims Japan is erasing a large part of it's war history, but I cannot agree with him from my past education here So explanation by his kids is highly appreciated if his claim is true.

That's not quite what I said but for now I'll leave that alone.

Pipokun are you still in school now? I don't think so, I am refering to the textbooks issue, plus the refusal to acknowledge it's (Japan's) role in this matter.

I'm also going to pass on your comment in the last sentence as well.

Your kids had studied the erasing a large part of it's war history in Okinawa, right?

You know quite well I never said this. :smoke: Sarcasm noted, thank you.

 

[pipokun]

You existence in Okinawa explains everything.
No insane anti-US movement here now, at least we know the difference between the US base and American people like you.
Even after a young Asian woman killed two innocent kids or a crazy man broke into a Japanese school in an Asian country and hit kids there, no backlash was here. (I am scared if a Japanese would do the same thing in the Asian country...)
That's is the ultra-militaristic, history-rewriting, the far-right ruled country or whatever you call, Japan.

And there are history-loving countries around Japan.
Goguryeo controversies - Wikipedia
I know there are history-loving people around the world, but what do you think the Korean history-loving president who like to talk about the one more than 1400 years ago in 21st century?
I think Chinese posters can understand what I feel.

Off-topic
If possible, look at the one-phrase description of the Vietnam war in the Korean textbook. It is good to know what is the history-facing people like.

 

[KirinMan]

You existence in Okinawa explains everything.
No insane anti-US movement here now, at least we know the difference between the US base and American people like you.

Actually I think you truly do not know how I feel about the bases being here in Okinawa. I am a former Marine, and my opinions about the bases here have changed greatly in the past 20 years of living here. However that is going way off topic here and I apologize for that.

Out of curiousity here what does this;

Goguryeo controversies - Wikipedia
I know there are history-loving people around the world, but what do you think the Korean history-loving president who like to talk about the one more than 1400 years ago in 21st century?

have to do with the topic at hand?

Pipokun, sorry for being blunt here, but I don't think that you and I are ever going to see eye to eye about the issue of the "Comfort Women".

Oh and btw that's ok too. The most important thing has been the honest exchange of thoughts, ideas, opinions, and information about this topic that matters the most. Hopefully those that are reading this and following along on this thread, with or without commenting, have learned something about the history and differences that exist here in Japan with regards to this issue.
Information is power, and by empowering those that have read and followed along on this thread we have all, by default perhaps, helped to educate others about this issue.

That sir has been one of my goals all along, letting people know that this issue exists, thank you for helping provide information and your opinions as well as actively participating here on this thread.

Kanpai.....

 

[pipokun]

What I wanted to say is that Japan has to talk to the history-loving people.

 

[gaijinalways]

Pipokun,

This has been a long running issue in Japan (and other countries as well). Every country sometimes tries to bury things they don't want discussed, it's just that the Japanese government does a fairly good job of it considering this is supposed to be a democratic country.

Changing how others view you is admirable, doing it by telling lies about your past or simply ignoring that it happened is not.

 

[KirinMan]

Changing how others view you is admirable, doing it by telling lies about your past or simply ignoring that it happened is not.

Well said and I agree with you 100%. It isn't just countries that do this either.

 

[pipokun]

Pipokun,
This has been a long running issue in Japan (and other countries as well). Every country sometimes tries to bury things they don't want discussed, it's just that the Japanese government does a fairly good job of it considering this is supposed to be a democratic country.
Changing how others view you is admirable, doing it by telling lies about your past or simply ignoring that it happened is not.

Bury or ignore?
Just look at the Asian Women's Fund.

ﾂ『ﾂ青ｭ窶｢{窶卍ｲﾂ債ｸﾂ「ﾂ従ﾅ坦ﾋ?藩??窶｢wﾂ」ﾅ?ﾃ滅淡ﾅｽ窶倪?板ｿﾂ集ﾂ青ｬﾂ』ﾅ?ﾂｧﾂ行
窶佚ｦ1ﾅ?ﾂｪ(7.97M) 窶佚ｦ2ﾅ?ﾂｪ(5.65M) 窶佚ｦ3ﾅ?ﾂｪ(6.19M) 窶佚ｦ4ﾅ?ﾂｪ(4.40M) 窶佚ｦ5ﾅ?ﾂｪ(5.18M)
http://www.awf.or.jp/program/index.html

Japan even collected and openly showed the victor's documents.

 

[KirinMan]

Bury or ignore?
Just look at the Asian Women's Fund.

No matter what you say here the Asian Women's Fund was not the answer, and you know the reasons why.

Do you really think that Japan is going to openly talk about this and other issues related to WWII without being prodded into it from other countries in the first place?

 

[caster51]

Asian women foud ?
I think they were so rich.....100 times of salary of policemen at that time.
it does not need any more.
there are so many poor ppl more than them

 

[gaijinalways]

Pipokun, caster, etc..,

you can see obviously that many people find fault with the Japanese government's handling of this event. Members of the government want to void mentioning about some events in WWII and before. None of us like the way Korea and China has handled it, that is obvious if you read the posts, but we're not talking about their behaviour in this thread, we're talking about Japan's!!! If you often only assume to be better or the same as everyone else, then what is to stop one from living among assasins and thieves?

Just another question, how much money will bring back a life lost or years lost?

The answer is none. Most of the women don't want just money, they want their respect back.

 

[hanachan]

Pipokun, caster, etc..,
you can see obviously that many people find fault with the Japanese government's handling of this event. Members of the government want to void mentioning some events in WWII and before. None of us like the way Korea and China have handled it, that is obvious if you read the posts, but we're not talking about their behaviour in this thread, we're talking about Japan's!!!

Only Japan's fault? Is it only Japan that is blamed?

Documents: U.S. troops used 'comfort women' after WWII
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/04/25/comfort.women.ap/index.html

I would like to see how you will accuse US Government and US Army in terms of Japanese comfort women as well as you are currently accusing the Japanese Government of Korean comfort women.
If you do not accuse the U.S., it will not be fair. Both cases violate the human rights of women.

Can you prove that they were not forced?
Now we stand in the same situation.

he who is without sin....cast the first stone...