Dir en grey
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jounetsu
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- 7 Aug 2006
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ohh new shirt! ^^ you know what it's like?
i just have "it withers and withers" shirt
with the green skeletons.
Nana007
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- 10 Nov 2005
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You say some of them were unfair questions I say some of those could have been easily answered.
True they probally couldn't say much about the new album. But they did say a lot of fans might not like it or something like that. When asked why he didn't say why, just that its going to be coming soon or whatever he said.
I feel he could have answered that question. If he thinks its going to turn away some fans then he could have easily answered why without giving anything away. They could have said well its a depature from what we normally do. Its a different sound, its a bit harder, were experimenting with new sounds. He could have said any of that and it wouldn't have given anything away. Especially as those are things they have said about previous albums in other interviews.
Yes the do you think you will open the door for other Japanese music question was a bit unfair.
But the how the fans reacted question wasn't an unfair question. I mean they could easily see how the fans were. The could tell from the meet and greet that it was a big turnout for them. Those questions weren't that hard.
And no you weren't sounding like a *****. It allways good to have your opinion. And I personally love a good debate. I should be a lawyer except that I couldn't stand to defend someone I know was guilty.
True they probally couldn't say much about the new album. But they did say a lot of fans might not like it or something like that. When asked why he didn't say why, just that its going to be coming soon or whatever he said.
I feel he could have answered that question. If he thinks its going to turn away some fans then he could have easily answered why without giving anything away. They could have said well its a depature from what we normally do. Its a different sound, its a bit harder, were experimenting with new sounds. He could have said any of that and it wouldn't have given anything away. Especially as those are things they have said about previous albums in other interviews.
Yes the do you think you will open the door for other Japanese music question was a bit unfair.
But the how the fans reacted question wasn't an unfair question. I mean they could easily see how the fans were. The could tell from the meet and greet that it was a big turnout for them. Those questions weren't that hard.
And no you weren't sounding like a *****. It allways good to have your opinion. And I personally love a good debate. I should be a lawyer except that I couldn't stand to defend someone I know was guilty.
dirus_ninjou
Diru's little vamp ^.^
- 25 Jun 2006
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hey, take this survey for the possibility of an American Dir en grey fanclub: http://www.jpophouse.com/contents/en-us/dg-survey.html
thanks go to hana for finding that~!
thanks go to hana for finding that~!
Riyko
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- 28 Nov 2005
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Kagura
You can buy it from Free Will America's Store http://www.free-will-america.com/store/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d39.html
dirus_ninjou
Wow jpophouse still has that survey up for the possibility for an American Fanclub. I remember doing that survey back in March.
You can buy it from Free Will America's Store http://www.free-will-america.com/store/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d39.html
dirus_ninjou
Wow jpophouse still has that survey up for the possibility for an American Fanclub. I remember doing that survey back in March.
Thirteen
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- 18 Feb 2006
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Diru has ALOt of remixes huh? I hope if the Jrock Con launches, Dir en Grey comes!
yeah I got their remix album Kai
dirus_ninjou
Diru's little vamp ^.^
- 25 Jun 2006
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oh, i have reason to believe i may actually get Aggitated Screams of Maggots for my birthday~! my mom's husband asked me how much it was and was asking about the release date! *bounces with happiness*
oh, i have reason to believe i may actually get Aggitated Screams of Maggots for my birthday~! my mom's husband asked me how much it was and was asking about the release date! *bounces with happiness*
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Nana007
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- 10 Nov 2005
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Ok lets get some conversation in here. Now this is taken from Batsu.
On this website (its down right now) www.adeyto.com (Adeyto is the model from Aint Afraid to Die) there is a picture of Kyo. And his riser has the phrase
Arbeit Macht Frie - Work makes one free.
Now this phrase is famous for being in the gates of Concentration Camps during WWII. Because of this the phrase has the conotation of being related to Nazi's and all this stuff.
What is your opinion on Kyo using these words?
I personally believe Kyo means nothing of it except it looks and sounds cool and I'm pretty sure the fans have no idea what the hell it means or its connotations.
On this website (its down right now) www.adeyto.com (Adeyto is the model from Aint Afraid to Die) there is a picture of Kyo. And his riser has the phrase
Arbeit Macht Frie - Work makes one free.
Now this phrase is famous for being in the gates of Concentration Camps during WWII. Because of this the phrase has the conotation of being related to Nazi's and all this stuff.
What is your opinion on Kyo using these words?
I personally believe Kyo means nothing of it except it looks and sounds cool and I'm pretty sure the fans have no idea what the hell it means or its connotations.
Precious4e
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- 31 Mar 2006
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^ I personally don't think he means anything of it. And since Kyo likes to be the dark little man he is, having the image of Nazis in the back of people's minds is quite dark and intimidating. His style if I must say (NOT saying he is a Nazi). And this isn't the first time Nazi connotation is being used in Japan (example: hyde during his AWAKE tour) It's more for effect than for personal political reasons. (Though maybe he can be making a social comment.. not sure what. I'm not too philosophical.)
And dirus_ninjou: haha I like Spencer's. The toys are funny. It's more for gag than for use.
And dirus_ninjou: haha I like Spencer's. The toys are funny. It's more for gag than for use.
Kagura
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- 29 Aug 2006
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I agrre, Kyo wouldn't really mean anything by using Nazi slogans would he? If anything maybe he believes there is another, more better meaning to it, that's just my opinion.
Didn't something like this happen with Die and his Nazi band? (I don't wanna call it that but I don't know how to spell the name of the actualy symbol XD)
I don't think ANY of them mean any harm, or else that'd be murder for their careers, and they just don't seem to be those type of people
Didn't something like this happen with Die and his Nazi band? (I don't wanna call it that but I don't know how to spell the name of the actualy symbol XD)
I don't think ANY of them mean any harm, or else that'd be murder for their careers, and they just don't seem to be those type of people
Riyko
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- 28 Nov 2005
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dirus_ninjou
Last time I checked on hot topics website they didn't have it, but if you go into a store they can find out what store has the shirt you're looking for and order it for you.
nana007
I don't think he means anything by it at all, it can be offensive to some people. Alot of german words have alot to do with WWII. Maybe it's just my family, but if you we're to say any of the phrases to one of them, you'd get hit because of how it was used. (my family is german btw)
Last time I checked on hot topics website they didn't have it, but if you go into a store they can find out what store has the shirt you're looking for and order it for you.
nana007
I don't think he means anything by it at all, it can be offensive to some people. Alot of german words have alot to do with WWII. Maybe it's just my family, but if you we're to say any of the phrases to one of them, you'd get hit because of how it was used. (my family is german btw)
Kinsao
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- 8 May 2005
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I remember the picture where Die (and I think Kaoru also?) wore the swastika. In fact, there was a discussion sometime about whether it was offensive.
About Kyo... Hmmm, at first my instinctive feeling was that I didn't think he meant for it to be offensive... thinking a bit more... I'm not sure... because after all, a lot of the imagery he uses is... not supposed to be "offensive" as such, but at least supposed to be moving, shocking if you like... at least, trying to provoke a strong reaction, in order to give people more powerful feelings associated with the music (presumably)... so it could be that while not actually meaning to "offend", he used that phrase thinking that it would grab people's attention because of its Nazi associations.
I very much doubt whether Kyo chose the phrase because he supports Nazism or agrees with what was done in the concentration camps!
That wouldn't really match with what we know of Kyo/Dir through their music, don't you think? So I really don't think he chose that riser in order to "shock" or "offend" people by giving the impression that he's a "Nazi" or supports what they did. More likely he wanted people to think.
It could also be a kind of... ironic thing? Maybe relating to him directly? Because making music is his "work"... so maybe it's some kind of comment about freedom... about how what is put forward as being "freedom" is not freedom at all in the end, but more like a slavery? :?
I'm confused... I need to stop thinking so much
About Kyo... Hmmm, at first my instinctive feeling was that I didn't think he meant for it to be offensive... thinking a bit more... I'm not sure... because after all, a lot of the imagery he uses is... not supposed to be "offensive" as such, but at least supposed to be moving, shocking if you like... at least, trying to provoke a strong reaction, in order to give people more powerful feelings associated with the music (presumably)... so it could be that while not actually meaning to "offend", he used that phrase thinking that it would grab people's attention because of its Nazi associations.
I very much doubt whether Kyo chose the phrase because he supports Nazism or agrees with what was done in the concentration camps!
That wouldn't really match with what we know of Kyo/Dir through their music, don't you think? So I really don't think he chose that riser in order to "shock" or "offend" people by giving the impression that he's a "Nazi" or supports what they did. More likely he wanted people to think.It could also be a kind of... ironic thing? Maybe relating to him directly? Because making music is his "work"... so maybe it's some kind of comment about freedom... about how what is put forward as being "freedom" is not freedom at all in the end, but more like a slavery? :?
I'm confused... I need to stop thinking so much
dirus_ninjou
Diru's little vamp ^.^
- 25 Jun 2006
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Riyko: yeah, that's the good thing about large store chains. if they don't have it, but another store does, then they can order it from them.
as for Kyo and his riser.... that phrase has many meanings. and like Kinsao said, it could simply be that he is using that phrase to discribe himself. though, i will take it a little farther and say that he could have been using it as a sense of through his work, and through writing the lyrics that he does, he may find a higher level of freedom. maybe he is able to free his mind and spirit when he is working. he no longer thinks about what everyone around him is saying and doing as long as it doesn't strain on what he is working for. another possibility is that he wanted it to be thought of in it's original connotation, and he wanted it to be looked at as a Nazi act. this could be for something so simple as to remind people who are getting high on a power trip of the things that Hitler did when he was in the same or a simular possition. he could have also been using it to give more power to his lyrics. the fact that he writes about the pain and suffering of people in some way or another. what better way to give an example of such pain and suffering than to use the Nazis and what they did. using a slogan that was made popular, or well known, by those people who brought many lives to an end and who caused a great deal of suffering would not only give a stronger sense of understanding to his work, but it would also serve as a backboard to the pain that he writes and sings about. it's like... someone has scars that they can see anytime, but when something opens that scar up, all of the emotions return to them from the first time the injury occured, and the person remembers everything about how they got that scar and how they have gotten to be where they are now. sometimes, just seeing the pain, or in the case of Kyo's lyrics, hearing the pain isn't enough. something has to trigger the correlation of that pain to something that the listener actually knows. something that the listener can relate to. that fact could also be part of the reasoning behind his cutting/scratching on the stage. the fact that it gives the audience a visual aid to help intensify the feeling he is trying to express.
if i made no sense with that, i'm sorry. i was just trying to get the words out before they were able to flee my mind.
as for Kyo and his riser.... that phrase has many meanings. and like Kinsao said, it could simply be that he is using that phrase to discribe himself. though, i will take it a little farther and say that he could have been using it as a sense of through his work, and through writing the lyrics that he does, he may find a higher level of freedom. maybe he is able to free his mind and spirit when he is working. he no longer thinks about what everyone around him is saying and doing as long as it doesn't strain on what he is working for. another possibility is that he wanted it to be thought of in it's original connotation, and he wanted it to be looked at as a Nazi act. this could be for something so simple as to remind people who are getting high on a power trip of the things that Hitler did when he was in the same or a simular possition. he could have also been using it to give more power to his lyrics. the fact that he writes about the pain and suffering of people in some way or another. what better way to give an example of such pain and suffering than to use the Nazis and what they did. using a slogan that was made popular, or well known, by those people who brought many lives to an end and who caused a great deal of suffering would not only give a stronger sense of understanding to his work, but it would also serve as a backboard to the pain that he writes and sings about. it's like... someone has scars that they can see anytime, but when something opens that scar up, all of the emotions return to them from the first time the injury occured, and the person remembers everything about how they got that scar and how they have gotten to be where they are now. sometimes, just seeing the pain, or in the case of Kyo's lyrics, hearing the pain isn't enough. something has to trigger the correlation of that pain to something that the listener actually knows. something that the listener can relate to. that fact could also be part of the reasoning behind his cutting/scratching on the stage. the fact that it gives the audience a visual aid to help intensify the feeling he is trying to express.
if i made no sense with that, i'm sorry. i was just trying to get the words out before they were able to flee my mind.
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i think its kind of stupid to think kyo doesnt mean anythign of it at all and that he thinks its just cool. its unfair to think his mind isnt deeper than that. im sure he means something of it, offensive or not.
Precious4e
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- 31 Mar 2006
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Anyone check out the cover for Diru's new single? It's pretty sick.
dirus_ninjou
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- 25 Jun 2006
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sea monster spit: glad someone agrees... i thought i may have been alone in thinking that... 
o.o; you were agreeing, right? ☝
Precious4e: i have, and it's not all that surprising given the name of it. now, i would have been shocked if they had done something like... a flower on the cover.... <.<; that would have been scary.... but, like i said, given the name of the new single, it's not really all that... surprising..? i guess....? i don't know if that made any sense.
o.o; you were agreeing, right? ☝Precious4e: i have, and it's not all that surprising given the name of it. now, i would have been shocked if they had done something like... a flower on the cover.... <.<; that would have been scary.... but, like i said, given the name of the new single, it's not really all that... surprising..? i guess....? i don't know if that made any sense.
Precious4e
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^ lol yea that makes sense. I'll probably be a little queasy every time I take out my CD lol. I'm not a gore person. Flowers would have been cool for me lol. But that's just so not Diru. Weird how I love them so much though.
And I know some people have the song already from the Inward Scream tour. But i'm saving it for the arrival of my CD lol. So i'm still very interested in how the new single sounds.
And I know some people have the song already from the Inward Scream tour. But i'm saving it for the arrival of my CD lol. So i'm still very interested in how the new single sounds.
Reita_Lover
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- 17 Sep 2006
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hi guys ^_______________^
i've got a question and please help: is this toshiya ????!!!
ah and sorry but i love to change the color
i've got a question and please help: is this toshiya ????!!!
ah and sorry but i love to change the color
Precious4e
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- 31 Mar 2006
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^ yup that's Toshiya. Though he does look different in that pic.
And good thing I ordered the limited edition one. Less bloody hehehee.
And good thing I ordered the limited edition one. Less bloody hehehee.
Reita_Lover
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- 17 Sep 2006
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oh ok
thanks Precious4e
here are some other nice pics ....hope they aren't posted yet ( SORRY FOR MY BAD BAD ENGLISH !!!!!! )
SWEET O////////o
he ( i think it's kaoru ) is so happy ^_________^
thanks Precious4e
here are some other nice pics ....hope they aren't posted yet ( SORRY FOR MY BAD BAD ENGLISH !!!!!!
) SWEET O////////o
he ( i think it's kaoru ) is so happy ^_________^
Nana007
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- 10 Nov 2005
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I'm not saying it doesn't mean anything at all. But that him using that slogan doesn't mean anything related to Nazism. Yea he probally does have his personal reasons to use it. But for The majority of the fans the Japanese/Non-German people they probally don't have a clue as to what it really means.
And as I said earlier I don't find it offensive at.
The only real J-Rock related thing that has ever offended me was the use of black face in MYV's Freedom Fighter video. And even then it really doesn't offend me like OMG He's A racist I don't like him anymore.
Also I love the new cover art its so cool and is IMHO the best they have had yet, I wasn't to Impressed with Ryoujoku no Ame's art.
Precious4e
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- 31 Mar 2006
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Just posting up the covers cuz I was finally able to find one that were semi decent.
The limited release cover
Normal edition.
I'm so glad I got the limited one lol.
The limited release cover
Normal edition.
I'm so glad I got the limited one lol.
![Diru [Ando Daisuke]](/data/avatars/s/16/16666.jpg?1412559903){kind=avatar}
