Chinese girls raped in Japan

[jonleung]

I recently read the news about the chinese girl that got raped and two that was beaten up in japan. I, as a Chinese, am outraged. What angered me most was not the fact that those girls were only students going to japan to study, but the fact that one of the policemen said that it was no big deal to rape a Chinese girl! I have grown up hearing first and second hand accounts of the Japanese's deeds during their occupation of chinese territories during WWII. The most horrifying by far was the Nanjing massecre, where 400 thousand chinese heads were lopped off. But i have always said to myself, most of those soldiers and that regime are long gone and i should not blame the japanese people for what their ancestors have done. But even now, they refuse to put the truth of the second world war in their history books. Are they too ashamed, too scared, to admit what they have done to Korea, China, Vietnam and countless other countries?

In my opinion, Japan should change their history, apologize to those girls and give compensation, and most of all. apologize for invading our country when it was so weak when we didn't even do anything to them. Was it not China that gave you your "culture"? A hundred years ago there was no written Japanese, they used chinese! even today many of their words are in chinese; did they not use the words of Confucius to form their government and millitary? where do you think they got chopsticks from?

anyhow, i know that there are many Japenese people who do not think that way and to those people i give my apologies. But to the rest, know that many patriotic chinese are very angry about your country.

 

[Osaka_night_cherry]

up for you , brave Chinese girl.

 

[RockLee]

I recently read about Chinese people beating up Japanese students and burning Japanese flags, destroying Japanese property...hmm it seems the Chinese aren't that friendly either ?? He who throws the first stone is without sins.

Do you think your government tells you exactly how things are or were ? In fact, did u know Chinese people aren't even allowed to know everything? Internet gets blocked,no messages from foreigners are allowed,you are being spied on by your government 24/7...

It's indeed a shame those girls got raped, rape is a sad, pathetic thing to do.But I sense you didn't mean to write just about the rape did u ?

You can't blame all the Japanese for the mistakes they made, especially not the new generation who didn't have ANYTHING to do with it.

but the fact that one of the policemen said that it was no big deal to rape a Chinese girl!

Can you varify this is true? It would sound harsh for a policeofficer to talk in that way :?

 

[thomas]

I recently read the news about the chinese girl that got raped and two that was beaten up in japan. I, as a Chinese, am outraged. What angered me most was not the fact that those girls were only students going to japan to study, but the fact that one of the policemen said that it was no big deal to rape a Chinese girl!

If this story were true, it would have made major headlines in Japan. Can you come up with some sources?

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

I recently read the news about the chinese girl that got raped and two that was beaten up in japan.

I do not know about this incident.
Would you teach a news source? ☝

 

[Doc]

I would like to see some sources as well.

Doc:ramen:

 

[Tim33]

Do you think your government tells you exactly how things are or were ? In fact, did u know Chinese people aren't even allowed to know everything? Internet gets blocked,no messages from foreigners are allowed,you are being spied on by your government 24/7...

Exactly i dont think a country who has news internet pages blocked plus other pages can really accuse the Japanese government of not telling there people everything. In my opinion the chinese are far worse at this.

People get raped. Chinese/japanese/british/american lots of people. It does not have anything to do with past wars. A few years back a Japanese man was raped near where i live. The guy that done it did not think oh i hate the japanese, they must pay for the war. He was just wrong in his head, but that does not make every briton wrong in thiers.

Please stop using everything you can to bring up the war again. This is really becomming a WW2 history forum rather then a japanese one.

But to the rest, know that many patriotic chinese are very angry about your country.

On a more argumentative note, many people are angry at yours to. Just move on ***, live for now not the past. Why do you spend so much time wasting your lives on the past there are so many better things you could be doing to better yourselves and generally help the world as a whole.

 

[Osaka_night_cherry]

I recently read about Chinese people beating up Japanese students and burning Japanese flags, destroying Japanese property...hmm it seems the Chinese aren't that friendly either ?? He who throws the first stone is without sins.

Do you know why the Chinese only piss off the Japanese government? (Not Japanese people) Why don't Chinese eggs and stones be thrown to the Korean, German, and Italy embassies? But only to the Japanese embassy?

Take a look at this article; you will know the reason:
https://jref.com/society/sino-japanese-relations.shtml

BBC News | In pictures

"
If we look at the List of war apology statements issued by Japan, it could appear that Japan has indeed apologised many times for its WWII atrocities. However, a better look reveals that Japan has mostly apologised to Korea and South-East Asian countries, but no proper official apology was issued to China.

Moreover, the Emperor has already apologised to Korea, so there is no reason to refuse to do the same for China.

Japan's apologies should mention its invasion and occupation of China, the massacre of millions of people (including Nanjing), forced labour, sexual slavery ("comfort women"), mass looting and biological warfare experiments on live human beings (such as Unit 731).

Most of the Japanese people I talked to were convinced that the Chinese were protesting because they had been brainwashed to hate Japan and the Japanese people since childhood. Many Japanese think that the Chinese hate today's Japanese. But if it were true, there would be much more problems and violent attacks, considering that thousands of Japanese companies are established in China, and about one million Chinese visit or go to work or study in Japan each year. Many of today's Chinese people like or even admire Japan for its technology or pop culture. They want peace and friendship with Japan. Out of 1.3 billion Chinese, only tens of thousands of people felt strongly enough about these issues to participate in the anti-Japan demonstrations. They ask for a proper apology, not monetary reparations or anything else. ""

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[okaeri_man]

In my opinion, Japan should... apologize to those girls and give compensation

the entire country cannot be held responsible for the actions of one psycho individual.

 

[Osaka_night_cherry]

I do not know about this incident.
Would you teach a news source? ☝

Ok, here we go, here is the source.
http://www.kimsoft.com/kr-japan... [url]http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/njmassac/rape...

 

[Iron Chef]

I edited your links because despite being well-documented, they also contain some imagery that may be inappropriate for some of our members. The addy is still intact though (for the most part) should someone want to follow-up but we won't allow direct links from here to there (as outlined in the forum rules section). Besides... the original poster led us to believe that this was a RECENT incident which is NOT what is documented in the links you posted.

 

[Nuala]

I recently read the news about the chinese girl that got raped and two that was beaten up in japan. I, as a Chinese, am outraged. What angered me most was not the fact that those girls were only students going to japan to study, but the fact that one of the policemen said that it was no big deal to rape a Chinese girl! I have grown up hearing first and second hand accounts of the Japanese's deeds during their occupation of chinese territories during WWII. The most horrifying by far was the Nanjing massecre, where 400 thousand chinese heads were lopped off. But i have always said to myself, most of those soldiers and that regime are long gone and i should not blame the japanese people for what their ancestors have done. But even now, they refuse to put the truth of the second world war in their history books. Are they too ashamed, too scared, to admit what they have done to Korea, China, Vietnam and countless other countries?

In my opinion, Japan should change their history, apologize to those girls and give compensation, and most of all. apologize for invading our country when it was so weak when we didn't even do anything to them. Was it not China that gave you your "culture"? A hundred years ago there was no written Japanese, they used chinese! even today many of their words are in chinese; did they not use the words of Confucius to form their government and millitary? where do you think they got chopsticks from?

anyhow, i know that there are many Japenese people who do not think that way and to those people i give my apologies. But to the rest, know that many patriotic chinese are very angry about your country.

How about no? Wouldn't it be ******* grand if the US government gave compensation to every rape victim? Yes, it's the same thing.
China is no better then Japan, so don't get huffy.

 

[deadhippo]

If this story was true it would have made major headlines in Japan. Can you come up with some sources?

i think rape isnt a headliner in japan
gangrape on the other hand may grab the headlines for a few days

 

[jonleung]

I recently read about Chinese people beating up Japanese students and burning Japanese flags, destroying Japanese property...hmm it seems the Chinese aren't that friendly either ?? He who throws the first stone is without sins.

Do you think your government tells you exactly how things are or were ? In fact, did u know Chinese people aren't even allowed to know everything? Internet gets blocked,no messages from foreigners are allowed,you are being spied on by your government 24/7...

It's indeed a shame those girls got raped, rape is a sad, pathetic thing to do.But I sense you didn't mean to write just about the rape did u ?

You can't blame all the Japanese for the mistakes they made, especially not the new generation who didn't have ANYTHING to do with it.

Can you varify this is true? It would sound harsh for a policeofficer to talk in that way :?

ok, first off, i want to say again that i believe not ALL japanese people are like that and i am NOT blaming every Japanese on the planet...and as to those Chinese people u are talking about, i agree they should not beat up japanese people but can you really blame them? imagine ur father or grandfather being dragged out and have his head chopped off by a samurai sword just for fun.

second, i am speaking on my behalf and not on the Chinese government's behalf. I did not say i like everything my government is doing. however, if you look back you can see that they are slowly making progress. our economy now is pretty much capitalist, and the government is becoming more liberal. personally i live in Hong Kong and they don't do none of that stuff. and no i am not just writing about the rape, but the problem that is behind the rape, and what that policeman said reveals the thoughts of many other Japanese. and no i am not blaming this generation's japanese for the war but for the fact that they refuse to apologize and change their history books. At least our history books tell the truth. and the reason why i think the government should compensate for the rapes is because if i am no mistaken those girls were foreign exchange students, who came on the government's invitation. but if they were not then of course they do not have the obligation to do so

lastly i want to say that whatever they do it wont personally affect me, but as a nation we have been insulted and all we want is an apology. THEN we can leave it behind we can live in harmony

 

[Tim33]

ok, first off, i want to say again that i believe not ALL japanese people are like that and i am NOT blaming every Japanese on the planet...and as to those Chinese people u are talking about, i agree they should not beat up japanese people but can you really blame them? imagine ur father or grandfather being dragged out and have his head chopped off by a samurai sword just for fun.

I can blame them. The japanese person to get beaten up and abused would of had nothing to do with the war and is not his fault. Therefore beating him up for this reason just shows the immaturity and lack of intelligence from the chinese individuals who done this.

second, i am speaking on my behalf and not on the Chinese government's behalf. I did not say i like everything my government is doing. however, if you look back you can see that they are slowly making progress. our economy now is pretty much capitalist, and the government is becoming more liberal. personally i live in Hong Kong and they don't do none of that stuff. and no i am not just writing about the rape, but the problem that is behind the rape, and what that policeman said reveals the thoughts of many other Japanese.

I somehow dont think that many other japanese want to go out and rape chinese girls for not getting along with them. What the policeman said was out of order maybe but many rapes happen. What he probally meant by it not being a big deal is that it has nothing to do with the chinese/japanese tensions at the moment.

and no i am not blaming this generation's japanese for the war but for the fact that they refuse to apologize and change their history books.

They should not need to apoligize for something that is not this generations fault.

I do agree with you on the history books however and i do think that they do not really go into much detail. However have you thought that this may actually increase racial hatred from the japanese students themselves. If not from the chinese part but maybe if they are taught that what then done in the war was terrible maybe they could say the same things about America??
tokyo/hiroshima/nagaski pretty much flattened. Would telling lots about WW2 history not instead just place blaims elsewhere.

Just a suggestion

At least our history books tell the truth. and the reason why i think the government should compensate for the rapes is because if i am no mistaken those girls were foreign exchange students, who came on the government's invitation. but if they were not then of course they do not have the obligation to do so.

Compensate, why exactly should the government compensate for the rape of a chinese girl in Japan.
Im sure chinese rape people to, should all other countries get compensation from you?

lastly i want to say that whatever they do it wont personally affect me, but as a nation we have been insulted and all we want is an apology. THEN we can leave it behind we can live in harmony

I somehow dont think you would. My guess is that actually if the Japanese government did apoligize you would say "Sorry that was not good enough" or "I dont think they meant it"

 

[RockLee]

I know what you mean, and I also think that Japan should apologize...But I don't think u should post something about a rape with the intention to rant about Japan.Lately a lot of Chinese people came to this forum to have their little rant about how bad Japan is and that they should apologize...wich is making me get sick of it. ☝ But if u would like an apology, you should think about apologizing to the Tibetians and Ughyurs too.Anyways I hope soon there will be an apology from both countries, as I love both countries I wouldn't want this conflict between Japan and China to have bad consequences.Remember that u don't know even half of what you are supposed to know because of Chinese government blocking almost any news.It's ranked number 137 on the list of pressfreedom afterall, with N-Korea following and the last number on the list.These pages are not available or viewable in China:

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ﾅｽOﾂ校专窶ｰﾃ?渉ｬ组窶廬ﾂ重窶彑ﾅ陳､窶ｹ窶?对ﾂ湘崢青･ﾂ，窶吮??ﾂ坂?佛津?#32852;ﾃ｣ﾂ､窶廬ﾅｽg窶廃ﾅｽﾃ陳焦?窶｢s窶拿ﾅ?ﾃ??愬ｾ窶廬ﾂ青･ﾂ什么样窶廬窶愿?窶覇ﾂ。ﾅ陳､窶ｹ窶?窶｢\窶督ｾﾂ，ﾅｽﾃｳ窶愬ｾ监ﾂ控ﾋ彗过滤窶廬窶｢s仅ﾂ青･ﾃ｣ﾂ､页ﾂ、ﾃ｣ﾂ､ﾂ湘｣窶敘ｽ窶ｹqﾋ彗ﾃ｣ﾃ問?弖ﾅｽﾂｺﾂ，ﾅｽﾂｧﾅ?ﾅｽﾂ，电ﾅｽqﾂ信ﾅ陳鞘?禿ｧ窶｢s窶拿ﾂ幸窶禿?。窶氾｡窶戞ﾂ，窶猫关ﾂ青ｼﾃ･Uﾋ?ｽ窶佚､ﾋ徘窶愿??板ｧﾂ、达赖ﾅ｡hﾅ｡vﾂ、窶邸轮ﾅ津ｷﾂ、窶弖ﾋ??门ﾅｽ窶毒陳渉、窶敖ｽ对窶怡ﾋ?ｽ组织ﾂ、窶｢s窶｢窶楪坂?｡窶ｹﾂ､产窶怡窶ｹﾂｳ义窶廬观窶彑ﾂ，ﾂ就窶凖岩?凖岩?徭窶敕ｭ过滤ﾂ，窶侏懌?｢窶｢锁ﾂ。窶｢s过ﾂ，窶｢ﾃｯﾅ?窶｡CNNﾂ（窶猫线ﾂ新闻窶ｺﾃｶ窶拇ﾃ｣ﾂ､ﾂ）ﾂ、NBCﾂ（窶牢ﾂ坂?倪?ｺﾃｶ窶拇ﾅ津ｶﾅｽiﾂ）ﾋ彗窶敕ｼﾂ坂?倪?ｺﾃｶ窶拇ﾅ津ｶﾅｽiﾂ（ABCﾂ）窶懌┐ﾂ催昶?愿?窶佚･窶伉ｽﾂ絶?昶?敕ｼﾂ坂?倪?掵窶佚娯?ｺﾃｳ窶｢s窶侏懌?愬ｾ窶｢窶｢锁ﾂ。窶ｰpﾂ坂?倪?ｺﾃｶ窶拇ﾅ津ｶﾅｽiﾂ（BBCﾂ）窶ｹpﾅｽ窶版津≫?慊ｾ窶｢s窶愬ｾ窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?懌?凪?ｹﾃ??廬ﾂ信窶戮ﾂ，ﾅｽn终窶敕ｭ窶｢窶｢ﾂ。这窶禿ｧ许窶慊ｯBBC窶猫窶吮??窶｢ﾂｶﾃ｣ﾂ､页窶猫关ﾂ。窶吮??ﾂ坂?伉人窶ｰﾃね?闇ｽﾂｩ窶燃进窶愿ｼ窶佚･窶伉ｽﾂ絶?昶?膿ﾂ人权窶猫关ﾋ?ｽ窶凖ｱ窶ｹﾅｸ窶慊ｽ窶督ｼ窶｢ﾅｾ务窶廬ﾃ｣ﾂ､页ﾂ，这ﾋ?ｪ窶彑窶伉ｫﾋ?遺?氾淞人惊讶ﾂ。ﾅｽﾂｧ另ﾋ?ｪ窶｢ﾃｻ窶禿環，ﾂ催敘津?#32852;ﾃ｣ﾂ､ﾂ湘｣发窶｢\ﾅ陳ｾ论窶廬窶ｰﾃや?拿ﾂ青ｫ窶ｹpﾅｽﾃｳ窶愬ｾ严ﾅ?iﾅ津?ﾂ青ｧﾋ彗监ﾂ控ﾂ。ﾂ新闻窶佚ｼﾋ?ｲ许ﾅｽﾃｳ窶愬ｾﾅ?ﾂｯ窶｢ﾃｻﾂ渉ｳ认窶廬窶掵窶佚?#25253;窶慊ｹﾋ?ｽ转发ﾂ。

ﾂ"错误404ﾂ"ﾂ−窶｢ﾂｶﾅ陳渉找窶｢s窶愬ｾ

窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?廬ﾅ津?#32852;ﾃ｣ﾂ､窶愿?窶覇ﾂ湘ｭﾂ湘ｭﾅｽﾃｳ窶愬ｾ窶伉ｽ窶｢ﾃｻ过滤ﾂ，ﾋ?ｶﾂ最ｸﾂ，窶ｰﾂ昶?ｰﾂ?#38590;ﾋ??#30830;窶凖ｨﾂ，ﾂ什么东ﾂ青ｼﾂ、为ﾂ什么ﾂ、ﾅ独?#20040;窶敕ｭ过滤ﾂ掉窶板ｹﾂ。ﾋ?ｪ窶儷进窶愿ｼ窶侏懌?｢窶｢锁窶廬ﾃ｣ﾂ､页ﾂ，窶凖環湘ｭ总ﾂ青･窶ｰﾃｯﾂ出现ﾂ"错误ﾂ"报ﾂ債青，ﾂ"错误404ﾂ（error404ﾂ）ﾂ"窶｢ﾃ鳴青･ﾂ湘ｭ见窶廬ﾋ?ｪﾂ湘ｰﾂ。过滤ﾅ?ﾃｭ窶｢s仅窶膿ﾅｽﾃ･ﾅ?ﾂｱﾂ、ﾅｽﾂｧﾅ?ﾅｽ窶禿ｧ窶膿窶｢ﾅｾ务窶ｹﾅｸ应ﾂ渉､窶佛?ﾂ静堋。ﾂ湘崢"GOOGLﾂ"窶懌┐ﾋ?ｪ类ﾂ搜ﾂ催ｵﾅ?ﾃｭ窶｢K须ﾂ渉ｳ窶儡责窶戮ﾂ，检查ﾂ搜ﾂ催ｵ窶愿?窶覇ﾂ，窶｢s显ﾅｽﾂｦ窶愿≫?凖ｨ窶廬ﾂ搜ﾂ催ｵ结窶ｰﾃ環。窶伉ｴ实ﾂ，ﾅ徒窶伉ｽﾂ搜ﾂ催ｵ窶愿?窶覇窶ｺﾃｳ窶｢sﾂ青･ﾂ催敖搜ﾂ催ｵﾅ?ﾃｭ窶愿溪?板｢ﾅｽﾃｳ窶愬ｾ窶｢窶｢锁ﾂ，ﾅｽﾂｧﾂ青･ﾂ催敕｣ﾂ､关窶愿溪?板｢ﾂ就窶ｺﾃ?#32463;窶敕ｭ窶｢窶｢ﾂ。ﾂ催?#35768;窶伉ｽ窶吮??ﾂ坂?伉人ﾅｽg窶廃窶廬ﾃ｣ﾂ､吧ﾂ，ﾅｽg窶廃ﾅｽﾃ停?｢K须窶徙记ﾂ，ﾅｽﾂｧﾅ?ﾅｽ窶徙录窶牌窶｢ﾃ帚?伉ｶ60窶弖ﾂ。这ﾋ?ｪ窶彑窶懌?凪?漏窶禿ｧ适窶廃ﾋ慊ｰﾂ焦?窶猫窶｢ﾅｾ务窶ｹﾅｸ应ﾂ渉､ﾂ。ﾂ焦督最ｸﾋ?闇?Oﾂ，ﾃ｣ﾂ､吧还窶｢K须ﾋ??窶倪?｢过滤ﾅ?ﾃｭﾂ，纪录窶ｺﾃｳ报ﾂ債青焦?窶猫对ﾅｽﾃｳ窶｢窶｢ﾃ｣ﾂ､页窶廬ﾂ搜寻ﾂ。

邃｢ﾃｻﾋ愿?、窶伉ｽ伦窶伉ｽﾋ彗剑桥窶佚･ﾅ?w窶廬报ﾂ債税ｽwﾂ出ﾂ，窶吮??ﾂ坂?伉坂?倪?愿?窶猫窶伉ｽﾂ渉ｭﾃ｣ﾂ､络ﾅｽg窶廃ﾅｽﾃ停?禿壺?楼ﾋ慊ｹ窶｢sﾂ青ｴ窶録ﾂ。窶吮??ﾂ坂?佛?ﾂｯ窶｢ﾃｻ窶凖ｱ窶ｹﾅｸ窶廬ﾂ絶?敘ｽﾅ｡ﾂ青･9000窶毒督人ﾂ，窶伉ｴ窶吮??ﾋ?ｪ窶敖ｼﾋ?按湘｣窶ｺﾃ?#32463;拥窶猫宽带连ﾂ静堋。窶戞窶ｰﾃ岩?ｰﾃ?湘｣ﾂ催敕｣ﾂ､吧ﾂ湘｣ﾅ?ﾃｷ窶廬ﾂ人ﾂ絶?敖，窶愿?#20040;ﾂ，窶吮??ﾂ坂?佚｣ﾂ､窶督ｯ总ﾂ絶?敘ｽﾅ?ﾂ渉ｭ窶禿ｧﾂ催?亿3000窶毒督債ｶ窶ｰEﾂ。报ﾂ債税ｽwﾂ出ﾂ，窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?懌?凪?ｹﾃ?ｽg窶廃窶廬ﾃ｣ﾂ､络监ﾂ控ﾅｽﾃｨ窶冓ﾋ?按青ｼ窶｢ﾃｻﾂ坂?倪?ｰﾃ??廬窶ｹZ术为ﾅ?ﾃｮ础ﾂ。这ﾂ債ｱ窶ｹZ术窶廬ﾅｽﾃ･窶牌窶凖ｱ窶ｹﾅｸﾅｽﾃ停?藩?ｽﾂｩ窶敕ｼﾂ坂?伉，窶氾｡窶戞CISCOﾂ，NORTEL NETWORKSﾂ，SUN MICROSYSTEMSﾋ?遺?ｹy3COM窶懌┐ﾅ津ｶﾅｽiﾂ。窶佚･ﾅｽﾃ債坂??#38469;ﾂ、ﾂ人权观ﾅｽ@ﾂ、记ﾅｽﾃ陳敕凖｡dﾅ?E窶懌┐ﾂ坂??#38469;ﾂ人权组织窶伉ｽ窶扼窶楼ﾂ就对这ﾂ債ｱﾅ?ﾃｩ业窶凖ｱﾂ出窶敕｡评ﾂ，ﾅｽwﾂ控窶ｺ竄ｬ们实际ﾂ湘｣为ﾋ?ｪﾋ慊｢窶敕ｱ窶督ｯﾅｽﾃ･ﾂ青ｧ窶忸窶凖ｱ窶ｹﾅｸ窶板ｹﾅｽxﾅｽﾂ斃彗帮ﾂ鞘?｢ﾂ。ﾅｽﾂｧ这ﾂ債ｱﾅ?ﾃｩ业则ﾅｽn终邃｢ﾅｾ窶ｰﾃｰﾂ湘個，窶ｺ竄ｬ们ﾂ焦?窶凖ｱ窶ｹﾅｸ窶廬窶｢s过ﾂ青･窶ｹZ术ﾂ。

窶吮??ﾂ坂?伉青ｬ为监ﾂ控ﾅ津?#32852;ﾃ｣ﾂ､窶廬ﾅｾﾃ?#26679;ﾂ？

报ﾂ債絶?慊ｯ时ﾅｽwﾂ出ﾂ，对ﾅ津?#32852;ﾃ｣ﾂ､窶廬监ﾂ控窶懌?凪?漏难ﾋ??#36798;窶愬ｾﾅ?ﾂｮ备窶廬窶凖ｶ窶忸ﾂ。ﾋ?ｶﾂ最ｸﾂ，窶懌?凪?ｹﾃ?湘ｭﾂ催打ｽﾃｦﾂ"宁窶ｰﾃ?#38169;杀ﾋ?ｪﾂ静ｧﾂ，窶｢s窶ｰﾃや?｢ﾃｺ过ﾋ?ｪﾋ慊｢ﾂ"窶廬ﾂ青ｭﾂ催ｴﾂ，ﾂ湘ｭﾂ湘ｭ窶｢窶｢ﾂ掉窶怒窶藩??ｺﾃｳ窶｢s窶｢K窶｢窶｢锁窶廬ﾃ｣ﾂ､页ﾂ，ﾋ?遺?塗ﾅｽ~ﾂ"窶｢sﾅｽﾃｳ欢ﾅ筑ﾂ"窶廬ﾂ信窶伉ｧﾋ彝ﾃ｣ﾂ､ﾂ。ﾂ催昶?敘ｽ窶ｹq窶｢ﾃｻ窶禿環，窶顛ﾂ債ｱﾂ搜ﾂ催ｵ词窶猫时窶ｰﾃね??#36530;开检查ﾂ，ﾅｽg窶廃ﾅｽﾃ停?燃ﾂ最ｸﾅ?ﾃ??愬ｾﾂ渉ｮ窶督｢窶敕ｭ发现窶廬窶怒应窶侏?#36807;滤窶廬窶愿?窶覇ﾂ。报ﾂ債?#30830;ﾂ信ﾂ，过窶ｹﾅｽ邃｢{窶扼窶藩?，窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?廬ﾃ｣ﾂ､络监ﾂ控窶麓ﾅｽ{窶愿ｺﾃ､jﾅ?ﾂｮ备ﾂ。ﾂ考虑窶愬ｾ窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?廬ﾃ｣ﾂ､窶督ｯﾂ絶?昶?氾?#32487;续窶貼涨ﾂ，ﾂ人们窶猫窶板昶?燃窶儡ﾂ心ﾂ，窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?廬监ﾂ控窶ｹZ术ﾂ青･窶｢sﾂ青･窶ｰﾃｯﾂ青ｬ为窶伉ｴ窶ｺ竄ｬﾂ坂?倪?ｰﾃ?敕≫?邸窶廬窶禿最ｽﾂｮﾂ。ﾋ?ｪﾅ陳ｾﾋ?遺?｢ﾃ≫?抃ﾂ，窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?廬ﾅ津?#32852;ﾃ｣ﾂ､ﾂ湘｣窶砺窶猫窶督ｯﾅｽﾃ･窶ｰﾂｻﾂ，窶禿ｧ窶砺窶猫ﾅｽﾂｩ窶燃窶ｰﾂｻﾂ。

窶槐ｸ窶槐ｸ ﾅ陳ｴ载ﾂ《ﾃｺﾂｺﾂ坂?倪?抃ﾂ青ｺﾂ》
Friday, April 15, 2005

 

[RockLee]

Sorry but the above article is in Chinese only ☝ I found some other info tho, and it seems to me the Chinese should get an apology from the Government for controlling their ways of thinking.

Here is an article of Amnesty International : http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA170012004

It states that all traffic goes through the government and sites get blocked and filtered like mad.I wonder why people can get information about things like Japanese massacres but not about their own country :?

Those detained for downloading information from the Internet, expressing their opinions or circulating information on the Internet or by email include students, political dissidents, Falun Gong practitioners, workers, writers, lawyers, teachers, civil servants, former police officers, engineers, and businessmen.

Signing online petitions, calling for reform and an end to corruption, planning to set up a pro-democracy party, publishing ﾂ'rumours about SARS', communicating with groups abroad, opposing the persecution of the Falun Gong and calling for a review of the 1989 crackdown on the democracy protests are all examples of activities considered by the authorities to be "subversive" or to "endanger state security". Such charges almost always result in prison sentences.

 

[Tim33]

Expressing opinions is wrong. I think this can be seen as an excuse not to listen to the chinese anyway if there opinions are not there own.

Calling for a reform and end to corruption.

I never actually thought it was this bad.

 

[jonleung]

They should not need to apoligize for something that is not this generations fault.

if the CEO of a company frauds someone, but the company isn't sued till after he has retired, or say, died. Does the company still need to go to court and take whatever punushment is given to them?

I do agree with you on the history books however and i do think that they do not really go into much detail. However have you thought that this may actually increase racial hatred from the japanese students themselves. If not from the chinese part but maybe if they are taught that what then done in the war was terrible maybe they could say the same things about America??
tokyo/hiroshima/nagaski pretty much flattened. Would telling lots about WW2 history not instead just place blaims elsewhere.

no. I don't know what you are talking about. America didn't take hiroshima out of their history books, and Japan shouldn't take Nanjing out. But i'm glad you agree

Compensate, why exactly should the government compensate for the rape of a chinese girl in Japan.
Im sure chinese rape people to, should all other countries get compensation from you?

No. Unless it's exchange students they're raping. And I am talking about compensating the girls, not China. The main reason i think that is because exchange students are guests to your country to learn the culture...i mean the government doesn't HAVE to do it...or they might just let the rapers do it...thats fair i think.

I somehow dont think you would. My guess is that actually if the Japanese government did apoligize you would say "Sorry that was not good enough" or "I dont think they meant it"

I don't think so...an apology is an apology and i truly do not think our government is looking for a quarrel...i mean..they're not even the ones that are demanding an apology...its just the people

But if u would like an apology, you should think about apologizing to the Tibetians and Ughyurs too.

tibet has been a part of china for nearly a thousand years...what are you talking about...mebbe texas and scotland and wales should all be independent too?

also once and for all...I do not like the Chinese government either...I believe that people should have freedom of speech, of religion, of press...but that is a seperate issue. however my news is not blocked because i am in america and Hong Kong before that...and we get our news from BBC, from CNN, and our own presses and television news stations...Hong Kong is part of China now but it is not the same as the rest of China...there we have freedom of speech and we do not have communist policemen looking at our computer screens

however this has been a really interesting discussion but i would like to hear what a japanese thinks about all this

 

[Wang]

tibet has been a part of china for nearly a thousand years

History of Tibet
Tibetans are Buddhists, but their form of Buddhism has its roots in India, not China. Tibetan Buddhism and Tibetan ethnonational identity are closely connected. Perhaps one-sixth of the adult male population of Tibet were monks (lamas) in 1950. For over a thousand years, Tibet was a theocracy, ruled spiritually and politically by the Dalai Lama and other lamas. The current, fourteenth Dalai Lama was just 5 years old when he was enthroned in 1940.

Tibet was an independent kingdom from the 800s to the 1300s. It then came under the sway of the Mongols of Ghengis Khan. The dynasty founded by his grandson, Kublai Khan, also ruled China. The Mongols were expelled from China after about a century, but they continued to rule their homeland and Tibet. As Mongol power ebbed, Tibet exercised increased autonomy, and in 1577 the Mongol emperor Altan Khan gave political authority in Tibet to the ranking lama, So-nam gya-tso, and designated him Dalai Lama (lama of all within the seas). The new temporal powers of the Dalai Lama eventually led to increased spiritual authority of the Panchen Lama, the second most important figure in Tibetan Buddhism. Soon, however, Tibet's autonomy was eclipsed. Chinese influence grew, and a massive invasion by China in 1751 firmly established the Chinese emperor's suzerainty over Tibet.

What this history shows is that Tibet was clearly independent for about 600 years, then for another 600 years was in a political twilight zone, neither fully sovereign nor completely subordinate to the Mongols, then to the Chinese. A new era of Tibetan independence began in 1911, when imperial China collapsed, and lasted until 1950, when Chinese forces again seized control. At first, the Dalai Lama remained in Lhasa, Tibet's capital, and exercised some local authority. Then in 1959 the Tibetans revolted against China. They were crushed, almost 100,000 Tibetans were killed, and the Dalai Lama and a large number of supporters fled south to India and established a government-in-exile at Dharmsala. Subsequently, the Chinese revoked Tibet's autonomy and demolished or converted to other uses almost all of its important monasteries and nunneries in an effort to wipe out Tibetan religion and culture. The Dalai Lama claims (and China denies) that, overall, 6,000 monasteries have been closed or destroyed and 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed by the Chinese since 1950.

World Politics | The Dalai Lama in Dharamsala

 

[jonleung]

ah ok my bad...but they were under chinese rule before 800 ad rite?

 

[bossel]

ah ok my bad...but they were under chinese rule before 800 ad rite?

Not really. At least once, Tibet was even strong enough to invade China & conquer the capitol.


Edit: I found a source for the above:

"During the reign of King Trisong Detsen (755-97) the Tibetan Empire was at its peak and its armies invaded China and several Central Asian countries. In 763, the Tibetans seized the then-Chinese capital at Ch'ang-an (present-day Xian). As the Chinese Emperor had fled, the Tibetans appointed a new Emperor."


BTW, you shouldn't think that PRC history textbooks really tell the truth.

 

[RockLee]

History of TibetThe Dalai Lama claims (and China denies) that, overall, 6,000 monasteries have been closed or destroyed and 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed by the Chinese since 1950.

Seems to me the Chinese are in the same category as the Japanese

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Ok, here we go, here is the source.
http://www.kimsoft.com/kr-japan... ...sorry. The site of relation is not known.

 

[pipokun]

This discussion itself is interesting, but more interesting that a person like you reading and geting info from BBC and CNN is to say "I recently read the news about the chinese girl that got raped and two that was beaten up in japan"...

Contact Asahi Newspaper and they are so glad to cover the story!