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Would you rather live in America or Japan?

United States of America or Greater Nippon?

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I want the best place on the planet to be an animist pagan.
Japan would appear to be better than America to practice Paganism.
 
This would have been a much harder choice before 2001. Now it's too easy.
 
kireikoori said:
Do I not have my Japanese text activated right?
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窶堙坂?堋｢ﾂ、ﾂ青ｳ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶｢\ﾅｽﾂｦ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。窶｢ﾃ渉更窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堙･窶堋､ﾂ。
 
very hard choice to me!
Maybe Obama-effect would let me say USA......
 
It's not like the USA will suddenly once again become a great place to live overnight, or even within a year, or a term as he himself said in his acceptance speech.

All I know is that my confidence in the US has reached an all-time low that I never thought it could reach.
 
Not to question your logic there Drew-san, but how can you know that you want to live in Japan over the US if you have not even been here?

For me I could do either, but ultimately I want to go back home to the US, for many reasons, but a big one is that I will never be Japanese...meaning I will always be looked upon and treated as a foreigner.
 
Well, not being there yet I haven't experienced the bad sides. Yet, here I have. The grass is always greener on the other side, until you get there.
 
I decided to pick USA after 1.5 years of stay in Japan. Even though I have a condo here in Tokyo, I am going to rent it out for the long haul. I simply cannot see myself in such a crowded country for the rest of my life. In the hindsight, I regret I came back after many years of stay in USA (but, at the same time, it was good I came back to Japan to realize how I am not really into Japan). If everything goes well, I would be relocating back to the East Coast in a month or two.
 
I hope you have a good, secure job lined up Jersey Boy as you will be coming to a country that will economically and financially collapse within the next year to 18 months. Unemployment is at an all time high, personal bankruptcies are at an all time high and increasing weekly, firms are laying off by the thousands on a weekly basis and things are just not good here right now. Even my own company, which has never had a lay off in its 76 year history is laying off about 20% this month!

The financial/economic news is dismal and there is absolutely no good news on the horizon. I really don't understand why anyone would want to come to the USA right now. Even Japan announced that they are in a recession yesterday as well as the rest of the world. If I were you I'd stay in Japan if you have secure employment as the unemployment rate is expected to rise above 10% especially if GM and Ford declare bankruptcy. For the moment, at least, the yen is strong vs the US$ and will only get stronger as the US dollar collapses in the near future.

My feeling is the fall will begin in February of 2009 when 4th quarter results are issued which will show the worst quarter in more than 50 years and which will probably take the US stock market to around 5 - 6,000 if not lower further worsening the US economy.

And if anyone thinks that President Obama will save the US from financial collapse they are sadly misled and should be chanting "O baaaaaa ma" as they are sheeple anyway and believe he will save them from collapse when there is no way on God's earth he can do it.
 
Unemployment is not at an "all time high." It is around 6-7% now, whereas, it was 12% under Jimmy Carter.
 
It is at an all time Armand. The US is hiding it with their bogus death/birth models and the fact that they do not include those that have given up finding a job after their unemployment benefits run out. It is all a lie!

The true figure is well above the 7% they want us to believe just as are the figures for inflation, which is actually hovering around 11% and the trade deficit and such. Is it any wonder why the figures are always "revised" the next quarter? If the US were to state the real inflation figures they would have to increase benefits to Social Security recepients by the same amount! Of course they would never tell the truth. C'mon, you are not that naive to believe what is printed in the papers and reported in the press and reported on CNBC are you? One look at your grocery bill compared to last year should tell you that inflation is well above 10%. Mine is and I keep track of it.

Rember the old adage: "Figures lie, and liars figure." It has not changed. You wait and see what the revised figures are next quarter. They will be much higher than what we are being told today as it is the same with everything else the government tells us.

Unemployment is actually higher than it was in the 70's and if the model of the 70's were used as well as for inflation as it was back then, you'd see and understand it. We never had "core inflation" (minus energy and food prices) back then and, if we did, inflation, as well as unemployment would be way lower than what was printed back then.

If one takes "real inflation" into account the average American worker has actually lost ground and makes far less, in real dollars, than he/she did back then. The same holds for unemployment figures.

Inflation and unemployment is what the press and government says it is and sadly, many people beleieve it without doing their own real research for if they did, they would soon discover that it was all a lie and that the figures were much higher than what we were told they were as they are always printed and revised later on. But who notices that? Hardly anyone and that is what "they" are counting on.
 
Where's your proof?

Actually, the addage is, "Figures don't lie, but some liars figure."
 
Pachipro san, you live in the US.... are you staying in the US when the collapse comes? With as far down as our country is plummetting and the highly detailed way that you share your knowledge of it all, it seems that you don't really wanna be here.

What would be the best country to live in for the next upcoming years?

I would love to have a long-term (up to a year, perhaps) visit Japan at least once before life is over for me, but U.S is where I was born and raised.
Whether we rise back up from this financial rut or not, we are a country that has a history of knowing how to survive. It may not be the much, but at least it's something. Even if things never get any better, being able to adapt is still possible, isn't it? Even in the slightest bit? Perhaps not *every* citizen would know how to, but at least we as a whole can try to together.
 
I really can't believe people can tell me not to be against working in the US. I have a feeling those people have not been here recently.
 
Pachipro said:
I hope you have a good, secure job lined up Jersey Boy as you will be coming to a country that will economically and financially collapse within the next year to 18 months.
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But, is Japan almost in the same boat on that? The Japanese government has been running up the budget deficits for so many years and it could be a prime candidate for bankruptcy. I have started looking in information on the future economic landscape and I noticed there were so many dooms-sayers for USA in the 80's as well when Donald Reagan was doing the spend and borrow policy on the grand scale. But, still USA stands as a sole superpower. If US goes down the tube, I believe Japan follows the same path swiftly as it holds billions of US treasury notes. It would be scary to be on such barren small islands when Japanese' economy and government's finance collapse.
 
As a musician, I can say there are even less gigs here in America now. Gigs that you can live off of that is. At least in Japan, people seem to really appreciate true art and culture. Here it is going down the drain more and more. All you have to do is either be a snob, have an attitude, have a huge ego, have a tattoo, have body piercings or be by (or all of the above) to "make it.

In all other endeavors, it seems to be the same way. Look at the unemployment rate. Look at the so called "bail out". Why are all these things happening?

Will Obama really come to the rescue? Change? Yes there will be change alright, but not for the better.

I think some of America's darkest days will be starting only a few months ahead right after Inauguration Day.

Where will all the prisoners at Guantanamo go? Will they be tried on U.S. soil? You betcha! They will be given every right that all Americans have, right to a fair trial, tons of trial lawyers set to make millions. Shoot! Even bin Laden himself will be able to get a fair trial here, make bail and go free to the nearest airport and won't even be searched because that will violate his "civil rights" as deemed by the new color blind (supposed), incoming fairness doctrine endorsing administration.

I think America will be hit and hit hard. The question is not if, but when. I don't want to be here when it happens.

And just watch: The U.S. Government will bail out the lazy workers at GM who have no inclination of doing a proper job with pride of purpose in it, but are only working for and toward punching out the timeclock, the paycheck, retirement and a pension. That is the mentality of the average U.S. worker! No wonder this country is in the trouble it is in!

Take me to Japan anyday over the upcoming future U.S.A.!
 
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ArmandV said:
Where's your proof?
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There's plenty out there. Some links:

4um: The Real Unemployment Rate is 23%: How and Why Jobs are Vanishing from America


From OpEdNews:


Another one from the marketoracle:


There's plenty more than where these came from. The fact remains, the governments of all countries, especially Japan, manipulates the unemployment rate in order to show that things are less worse than many perceive until it gets too bad and more people stand up and take notice. It has been going on for many years and will continue to go on until more people become informed as to the daily propaganda they are constantly being fed.
 
Aurura said:
Pachipro san, you live in the US.... are you staying in the US when the collapse comes? With as far down as our country is plummetting and the highly detailed way that you share your knowledge of it all, it seems that you don't really wanna be here.
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No, I really don't want to be here and I wouldn't be if it weren't for my dog. I know that sounds like a lame excuse, but I explained that elsewhere in another post. Also, my job is recession proof and I enjoy it and it pays well. Even though we will have a 20% layoff in the next two weeks, I will be not be affected because of my seniority. (No we are not a union company). Even if the US economy was doing well, I'd still rather live in Japan as I am very comfortable there and eventually will retire there.

It's just that I hate where my country is headed and the road the elitist bankers are leading us down because they have found cheaper ways to produce goods in China and desire a One World Government. Sadly, many do not see it coming and believe what the mass media tells them as fact without doing any independent research and I hope to spread the truth to any who will listen, but it seems like a useless endeavor most days as most people refuse to believe it. But that's ok as a few are taking notice. However, I feel that when most people do wake up it will be too late.

If the automakers do not receive a bailout, the handwriting will be on the wall as about 3 million will be thrust into unemployment lines and America, as we know it, will die a slow death in the next two years.
 
Pach, ol' buddy, the problem with those items you posted is that while it's true manufacturing has been in a downward sprial for years, those workers who have been affected (before the current mess) went into something else through retraining and moving to other areas.

If they aren't showing up in the unemployment stats, what do you suppose they are doing? Sitting and collecting welfare? No, they are doing something else.
 
Would be interesting to see how a poll posted now would differ from this one, as it's rather old (2004).
 
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