Why do so many foreigners marry Japanese women?

[ArmandV]

I didn't notice the pigeon toed so much as just being plain bow legged!

I have video of people on the streets in Shibuya I took two years ago and about 2-3 girls were walking pigeon-toed. None walked bow-legged.

 

[Kinsao]

Well, I don't know anything about this because I've never asked any Western/Caucasian men why they married a Japanese wife, but I'm saying my view anyway because I'm obnoxious like that.

-- Could be because the guy moved to Japan, happened to meet a Japanese girl (no surprise there, then!) and they fell in love and got married.

-- Or perhaps the girl was attracted to the guy because he was all hairy and "manly"! Umm, superficial much... but I think y'all know what I'm saying... actually this point (and the next one) is a bit like my first point except that in these cases the attraction was based on looks, not personality.

-- Maybe he was attracted to the girl cos she was littler/cuter/prettier than the majority of women he'd met in his home country.

-- Maybe the guy had the stereotype of Japanese women being more "feminine" and/or more submissive than Caucasian women, and deliberately sought out a Japanese lady (even if he didn't live in Japan). Well, this kind of relationship is really shallow, but in some cases it can (and does) lead to a marriage, so it can't be completely discounted as a "reason" for such marriage. .............. Even though this really isn't true these days! (I think some guys are living in the past a bit... ) ......... Oh, and this also includes those with an "Asian girl fetish", which are pretty rare IRL I think, but not unheard of.

-- Maybe the girl wants to marry him if he is rich, and she didn't find a Japanese boyfriend with money or good career prospects. Again, way shallow, but not impossible.

-- One good point many people made already - the world is getting to be a smaller place, communications are getting better, people do more travelling, so quite simply it's easier to meet people from different countries. Also, better communications help to break down stereotypes about people from other cultures. ............ This doesn't explain why there are more Caucasianmale-Japanesefemale couples than vice versa, but I can only say that the other way round relationships are also more common now than they would have been 50 years ago. Maybe because even in Western countries women didn't have so much freedom until recently, so they are still "in the process" of becoming more "exotic" in their choices of partners? :?

-- Another good point is about mutual interest in each other's country / culture, which could lead 2 people of different cultures to a closer relationship under circumstances where they might not otherwise have struck up a relationship at all (e.g. at work, and if the girl or guy is not striking in the looks department, you might not have given him / her a second glance in a bar, for example, but if you were interested in their culture or language you might make a special effort to talk to them in the work place, leading to a friendship and possible relationship).

-- I can't think of any more. :sorry:

 

[DoctorP]

As someone who spends waaaay too many hours each and every week crawling along through Tokyo traffic at the same time a very large number of women are abroad on the sidewalks, I would have to respectfully disagree.

I didn't mean to say that there are no beautiful women in Tokyo...there obviously are. I was referring more to the ones who are born there. Quite a few people who live in Tokyo, move there for work and obvious other reasons. I would go into more detail, but I'm still a little groggy right now...maybe later.

Unless I was seeing mirages when in Tokyo, I thought the women there were gorgeous.

Ah, yes, but see my reply to MikeCash.

I have video of people on the streets in Shibuya I took two years ago and about 2-3 girls were walking pigeon-toed. None walked bow-legged.

You can't actually walk bow-legged....you are bow-legged. But I understand what you are saying.

 

[ArmandV]

You can't actually walk bow-legged....you are bow-legged. But I understand what you are saying.

Obviously you haven't watched many Westerns.

Maybe you can put "knock-kneed" in the pigeon-toe category?

 

[DoctorP]

Obviously you haven't watched many Westerns.

You must not know me that well!!!

 

[ArmandV]

You must not know me that well!!!

Looks like it.

I'll have to dig out my video from last April of Shibuya to see who is pigeon-toed, knock-kneed or bow-legged. I found a nice sitting spot (strangely, in front of a soapland) there under a tree where I could have a nice cold drink, a cigar and just people-watch.

 

[Revenant]

Just read the first page, and I saw a few people mentioning that Japanese women are a bit more subservient than their American counterparts. On the surface this might appear true, but it more seems that the American women make a big deal over a lot of things, while the Japanese women seem to pick their battles wisely, and patiently talk the husband/boyfriend around to her way of thinking.

It almost seems that they have figured that if they acquisce to most of the husband's demands and wishes, that the husband will feel in control, and so it will be easier for the women to maintain control over the more important issues.

 

[yukio_michael]

Not so sure about that. Personally I find that too many Northern European girls lack femininity. They usually want to behave like men, get the same jobs as men, do the same sports as men, be as strong (for authority) as men, wear too many jeans/trousers, etc. Japanese women tend to know better how to dress well and be sexy. Italian girls, and some French girls (maybe more in the South), are closer to the Japanese, but still not as feminine.

It's the same here in the United States, where I think there is this sort of "Maxim" (a men's magazine modeled after the English "Lads Mags" which are the embodiment of imature humour and bikini models...) culture... This sort of culture that dictates that men only want feminine women when it comes to sex, that women are strictly sexual objects and when they are not being used for sex, they are anoying because of their characteristics of being a woman.

It's created this crass manwhich eating, butt-scratching, baseball cap wearing, yelling in the street, beer swilling female coed type which makes Rosanne Barr look positively feminine in comparison.

~ But, okay okay... can we all at least agree that this t-shirt is the most achingly lonely and sad thing you've ever seen....



...we can agree on that much, can't we?

It almost seems that they have figured that if they acquisce to most of the husband's demands and wishes, that the husband will feel in control, and so it will be easier for the women to maintain control over the more important issues.

I think women have been doing this throughout the world, throughout history for oh say, the past four thousand years.

 

[Thunderthief]

It depends on your area, but its true its rare anymore to see american women wear dresses except in special events. Most dress exactly like the men, I have actually seen a few women that I mistook for men.

Kind of disturbing... but I think thats because this country doesnt enforce school uniforms, except in private schools anyway and women get the idea that there suppose to dress like men.

This wasn't true in the 50's but that was a time period when the country had different ethics. Radical movements by the blacks, hippies and women pretty much destroyed feminine modesty in the U.S.

 

[ArmandV]

It depends on your area, but its true its rare anymore to see american women wear dresses except in special events. Most dress exactly like the men, I have actually seen a few women that I mistook for men.
Kind of disturbing... but I think thats because this country doesnt enforce school uniforms, except in private schools anyway and women get the idea that there suppose to dress like men.
This wasn't true in the 50's but that was a time period when the country had different ethics. Radical movements by the blacks, hippies and women pretty much destroyed feminine modesty in the U.S.

Back in the 1980s, the late, great Johnny Carson did a skit/monologue as "Floyd R. Turbo" doing an editorial rebuttal. It went like this:

"Today, women want to act, look and dress like men. They claim they are for women's liberation.

But they don't want to be liberated. They want to be lesbians!

Well, if they want to be lesbians, let them be lesbians!

Then they'll know how hard it is to pick up chicks!"

 

[ricecake]

Your sterotyped racial repugnancy knows no bounds.

Isn't astounishing to you,there are some Caucasian females do prefer " hairy chested " manly cute Caucasian guy ? !

I've personally met a few young American women boasted their honey having lots of " hair " there.

 

[kirei_na_me]

Just read the first page, and I saw a few people mentioning that Japanese women are a bit more subservient than their American counterparts. On the surface this might appear true, but it more seems that the American women make a big deal over a lot of things, while the Japanese women seem to pick their battles wisely, and patiently talk the husband/boyfriend around to her way of thinking.

It almost seems that they have figured that if they acquisce to most of the husband's demands and wishes, that the husband will feel in control, and so it will be easier for the women to maintain control over the more important issues.

Precisely. This is what not many people really know...or don't want to admit.

 

[ricecake]

There are many classy beautiful feminine professional Caucasian women in America.

These modern American women are extremely sexy in tailor made 3-piece skirt-suit.

 

[kirei_na_me]

Thank you, ricecake. I think so too. I like to think that I'm pretty feminine. Actually, I kind of pride myself on being so. Not all of us want to be men...

 

[Ma Cherie]

It depends on your area, but its true its rare anymore to see american women wear dresses except in special events. Most dress exactly like the men, I have actually seen a few women that I mistook for men.
Kind of disturbing... but I think thats because this country doesnt enforce school uniforms, except in private schools anyway and women get the idea that there suppose to dress like men.
This wasn't true in the 50's but that was a time period when the country had different ethics. Radical movements by the blacks, hippies and women pretty much destroyed feminine modesty in the U.S.

Rare to see American women wear dresses? As far as I can tell American women still wear dresses, and mini skirts, I wear mini skirts every once in awhile. Now, explain to me what you meant by your last sentence, what do you mean that the feminine modesty is destroyed by blacks, hippies, and women? Are you talking about the feminist movement? And another thing, women and young girls are bombarded everyday with images in the media on how they should look. And as far as I can tell, we're being told to look feminine.

 

[Kinsao]

I feel kind of puzzled and half-way to being offended by the suggestion that women who are wearing trousers are somehow not being feminine enough, or are trying to be manly. ☝ Personally, I very rarely wear skirts, and it's even more rare for me to wear a dress. I find trousers to be comfortable and practical. Plus, I don't have very good legs. For me, trousers for the win!

Seriously, women wearing trousers has absolutely no connection with women dressing like men or trying to look and behave like men. Are you living in the dark ages?! I don't know about other countries, but in the UK, trousers started to become more acceptable wear for women after the War, during which women had to work on the land, in factories, and in other jobs traditionally done by men, and for which trousers were much more practical. They've been a mainstream part of women's fashion for decades. Besides, there are many very feminine styles of trousers!

I'm sorry - this is rather offtopic. But as a woman who hardly ever "dresses feminine", I resent thinking that people might stereotype me as a lesbian or a "wannabe man".

 

[ArmandV]

Besides, there are many very feminine styles of trousers!

I'm sorry - this is rather offtopic. But as a woman who hardly ever "dresses feminine", I resent thinking that people might stereotype me as a lesbian or a "wannabe man".

I have no problem with women wearing slacks. You are quite correct, there are feminine slacks.

Talk about things that used to be "manly." Although it's been going on for a while, still, I really find tatoos on women to be unbecoming.

 

[Nana007]

I'm an american female who dresses very "GIRLY" in a sense. I love dresses skirts, heals. In fact I have more dresses and skirts in my wardrobe than pants.

 

[ricecake]

Most dress exactly like the men,I have actually seen a few women that I mistook for men.

This wasn't true in the 50's but that was a time period when the country had different ethics.

I've ran into one American male with make-up and " bras " in one-piece floral-dress at a local stamp show,I mistook him for a woman.There is one Japanese supermarket chain Mitsuwa I regular,Japanese female employees and shoppers there wear pants rarely seen in dresses.They look average " janes ",absolutely nothing sexy about them.

Those were the " good old days " according to some die-hard conservatives lost in time capsule.It was the last decade,American females put up with unconditional philandering and submissive social status.

 

[Mars Man]

I wonder where this thread is wandering off to? hee, hee, hee....
There are some theories; one fairly (note: to a greater than 50/50 degree) good one can be found in the book Eve's Seed. Of course, it has nothing to do with non-Japanese males marrying Japanese females, so. . .

 

[DoctorP]

Could you guys stay on topic please? IF you want to talk about femininity then start your own thread.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

I feel kind of puzzled and half-way to being offended by the suggestion that women who are wearing trousers are somehow not being feminine enough, or are trying to be manly. ☝ Personally, I very rarely wear skirts, and it's even more rare for me to wear a dress. I find trousers to be comfortable and practical. Plus, I don't have very good legs. For me, trousers for the win!

Seriously, women wearing trousers has absolutely no connection with women dressing like men or trying to look and behave like men. Are you living in the dark ages?! I don't know about other countries, but in the UK, trousers started to become more acceptable wear for women after the War, during which women had to work on the land, in factories, and in other jobs traditionally done by men, and for which trousers were much more practical. They've been a mainstream part of women's fashion for decades. Besides, there are many very feminine styles of trousers!

I'm sorry - this is rather offtopic. But as a woman who hardly ever "dresses feminine", I resent thinking that people might stereotype me as a lesbian or a "wannabe man".

I'd love ya regardless of what you wear or don't wear you beauty you !

 

[Mars Man]

Go get 'em Frank !! (sorry CC1...I just had to add that little off-topic bit; please excuse me.) MM

 

[ghettocities]

Frank please adopt me and then put me in a home for troubled youth, your avatar rocks my not-loose socks.


Josh

 

[sabro]

Rock, I don't know if you were being sarcastic and I can't speak for Europeans, but in the US, calling a "caucasian" person "white" is not considered derogatory or insulting. And even though "African American" is currently a more acceptable term, "black" is still considered okay. I don't know why calling an asian "yellow" or a Native American "red" is unacceptable, but they are for now. The terms are always loaded and are totally socio-political constructs with lots of strings attached. I wouldnt try to apply logic to it.