Why do most Japanese women sound like they are talking to babies?

[breez]

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-08-10T093322Z_01_T123700_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-JAPAN-PHONE.XML&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-C2-AlsoToday-11

A Japanese man was arrested this week after making 37,760 silent calls to directory enquiries because he wanted to listen to the "kind" voices of female telephone operators.

So there!

I can see someone is very fond of the polite speech!

 

[Iron Chef]

Wow, what a crackpot. Nice find though.

 

[Han Chan]

I can imagine that the kabuki actors, who were always men, have created an exagerated idea for female voises. Maybe this have been trend-setting?

My japanese wife hates it when japanese women speak with baby voices. She says that we should send some Danish viking women to Japan to chock the men there!

 

[kirby36]

I personally like Japanese woman speaking in their squeaky voices.

Exact words I was looking for

 

[kohlrak]

I can imagine that the kabuki actors, who were always men, have created an exagerated idea for female voises. Maybe this have been trend-setting?

My japanese wife hates it when japanese women speak with baby voices. She says that we should send some Danish viking women to Japan to chock the men there!

I think the squeaky voices are just plain adorable.

 

[FinancialWar]

deleted due to complain from fellow jref member

 

[Gpugou]

I was searching on why Japanese girls sound too high pitched in Japanese porn and it sounds like the answer is because of the cute culture. The men are interested in adolescent girls apparently. This isn't sexy. This is just creepy. I like a woman to be feminine, but there's a line between feminine and childish. Childish doesn't belong in porn. Maybe a select few are naturally like that, but I doubt most of them are. A woman should have a natural adult voice unless she's talking to animals or children. I love so many aspects of Japanese culture, but this is not one of them. It's sexist and creepy, and to be honest borderline pedophilia.

I guess that's the difference between Japanese and American culture. In the U.S., a strong woman is seen as super sexy. Sure there's a limit on that too. Many guys may find a woman pumping steroids into her and being more massive than Arnold to be a bit much, and not attractive. But a woman who can fight and defend herself, who has a firm voice yet still maintains her feminine side, who is a go-getter and has a goal-oriented mind, that is damn sexy to many American men. But with Japanese or Korean men this is apparently not sexy because she doesn't act like she's 10. Changes need to be made. If the woman is naturally like that, sure. More power to her. But it needs to be natural and not forced.

 

[nice gaijin]

If you are sexualizing the voice you are misunderstanding cute culture. Go research some more before you raise another 11 year old thread from the grave.

 

[Mike Cash]

I'd rather hear the high-pitch than the currently popular American vocal affectation of sounding like they gargled with gravel and run out of air 3/4 of the way through their sentences. Sound like a lily pond of croaking bullfrog-g-g-g-g-g-s. Fingernails on chalkboards is pleasant by compatriots compariso-n-n-n-n-n.

(And I hate it just as bad when American guys do i-t-t-t-t-t).

 

[Gpugou]

If you are sexualizing the voice you are misunderstanding cute culture. Go research some more before you raise another 11 year old thread from the grave.

Is there a rule against commenting on old threads? If so I apologize. I wish I came across this before. I figured it would be better to continue to comment on this than to open a new thread with the same topic.

I understand there are more aspects to the cute culture, and it doesn't have to be sexualized, but unfortunately it is in some instances. I don't necessarily disagree with the existence of Kawaii culture, but when it is used to oppress women (which most ppl would agree is a problem in Japan), I do disagree. They shouldn't culturally be pressured into talking or acting like that and pressured into being submissive.

With that being said, American culture is far from perfect. I have my issues with it as well.

 

[Gpugou]

I'd rather hear the high-pitch than the currently popular American vocal affectation of sounding like they gargled with gravel and run out of air 3/4 of the way through their sentences. Sound like a lily pond of croaking bullfrog-g-g-g-g-g-s. Fingernails on chalkboards is pleasant by compatriots compariso-n-n-n-n-n.

(And I hate it just as bad when American guys do i-t-t-t-t-t).

Thanks for responding. Agreed on the gargling. I don't find that to be sexy either. And I hate vomit and gagging sounds. It's a turn-off. I have issues with American culture too, including in porn. In addition to the above mentioned, specifically in porn, I don't like to see women being choked, or seeing asses get slapped hard and leaving a handprint. I don't like seeing cum get gargled or seeing her in tears. Not a turn on. In the culture in general, I don't like to see sexuality forced into a naughty hidden box that nobody is allowed to talk about. I don't like to see sexuality demonized (unless it's paedophilia or bestiality, that's the line). If a woman chooses to be a stripper or porn star, she should not be treated like she's lower than dirt for being open about her sexuality. If she wants to work with kids, so what? She's not having sex with them. They probably won't watch her porn either, considering they are children. Also, aside from sex, we need more females in STEM fields. We are lacking in that population in general, and severely lacking specifically with women in STEM fields. Just to name a few things.

As for preferring a high pitched sound over the bullfrog sounds, I would have to say no thanks to both. Bullfrogs and pre-teen sounds just don't do it for me.

 

[Mike Cash]

As for preferring a high pitched sound over the bullfrog sounds, I would have to say no thanks to both. Bullfrogs and pre-teen sounds just don't do it for me.

Take a look around the forum. You might notice you're the only one whose apparent sole reason for being here is discussing his porn preferences. You got something else for us?

 

[nice gaijin]

I find your concern with what women do with their voices and their bodies disturbing. We don't need the graphic details of the twisted things you disapprove of.

You are saying that women shouldn't be pressured into acting a certain way, but then turn around and criticize them for the way they act?

For future reference, from the Forum Rules:
VI. Duplicate posts, bumping and necroposting

...Do not post to threads that have not been updated for many years, unless your post is relevant to this particular thread. Rather start a new thread and link to the old thread you want to refer to.

 

[Gpugou]

I find your concern with what women do with their voices and their bodies disturbing. We don't need the graphic details of the twisted things you disapprove of.

You are saying that women shouldn't be pressured into acting a certain way, but then turn around and criticize them for the way they act?

For future reference, from the Forum Rules:
VI. Duplicate posts, bumping and necroposting

You misread the logic. I criticize the societal and cultural pressures placed on the women to act a certain way, in a way that creates barriers for them if they don't conform, not on how they act specifically. If it appeared like I was criticizing the way they act directly, that's more personal preference. If they naturally act that way, good for them. Not into it, but good for them. But it shouldn't be forced, like some of the previous comments where a woman taking a job is told to "change the way she sounds", aka talk in a cute way that the culture demands.

 

[Gpugou]

Take a look around the forum. You might notice you're the only one whose apparent sole reason for being here is discussing his porn preferences. You got something else for us?

You must not have read everything that I posted then. I clearly talked about other things like STEM field disparities (STEM is Science Technology Engineering Math). Porn is one of my topics I mentioned but not the sole topic.

 

[nice gaijin]

Again, porn has nothing to do with cute culture; you are conflating the frame through which you perceive (as a presumably hetero male) cute culture with the intentions of those who indulge in it. This is off-topic.

You came here and revived this thread, not to ask a question or provide new insight, but so you could tell us your opinion on how women are treated and the cultural norms they take part in. I suppose you feel like you are being an ally to women, but it does not read that way at all. Perhaps your tact can use some work.

 

[Gpugou]

Again, porn has nothing to do with cute culture; you are conflating the frame through which you perceive (as a presumably hetero male) cute culture with the intentions of those who indulge in it. This is off-topic.

You came here and revived this thread, not to ask a question or provide new insight, but so you could tell us your opinion on how women are treated and the cultural norms they take part in. I suppose you feel like you are being an ally to women, but it does not read that way at all. Perhaps your tact can use some work.

Actually I came here to talk about porn, or so someone else claims. And no you are wrong. I do have a question. Umad bro?

 

[Gpugou]

I suppose you feel like you are being an ally to women

More like

 

[nice gaijin]

ok then, bye now

 

[WonkoTheSane]

I wish universities would focus more on logic courses and less on gender studies courses. There's a distinct lack of critical thinking by so many people these days.

 

[thomas]

I wish universities would focus more on logic courses and less on gender studies courses. There's a distinct lack of critical thinking by so many people these days.

Mind we are living in the era of post-factualism.

 

[Gpugou]

I wish universities would focus more on logic courses and less on gender studies courses. There's a distinct lack of critical thinking by so many people these days.

Let's focus on some critical thinking. Many people assume here that because the women "partake" in the culture, it must be okay. Or many assume "the men in Japanese culture are better because the women don't naturally excel in the same fields as much". So they assume the women in that culture do "worse" because they are innately worse rather than questioning, "what if the reason why they do worse is because the culture encourages them to not excel in those areas to begin with? Are there any studies that show there is a significant innate biological inferiority of women compared to men?" As it turns out, there are no innate differences in intelligence betweem men and women, and any areas where one on average does better than the other are not significant differences, and usually there is an area where they do worse to balance it out. So the studies done don't show any significant correlation between sexes and intelligence or areas of intelligence. Yet the higher intelligence requiring fields in Japan are occupied overwhelmingly by men. This is not due to a biological factor, and therefore must be due to a human-made system or concept. Culture is the best fit for this. Sure there could be other factors, but they are not consistent when compared to other countries.

Also, women's studies courses use statistics, logic, and critical thinking. They use other things like opinions and ethics, but it's a field of philosophy, so it's not unwarranted. As is the field of cultural studies. There's no right or wrong answer. In the end it's all just opinionated bullshit.

 

[WonkoTheSane]

Let's focus on some critical thinking. Many people assume here that because the women "partake" in the culture, it must be okay. Or many assume "the men in Japanese culture are better because the women don't naturally excel in the same fields as much". So they assume the women in that culture do "worse" because they are innately worse rather than questioning, "what if the reason why they do worse is because the culture encourages them to not excel in those areas to begin with? Are there any studies that show there is a significant innate biological inferiority of women compared to men?" As it turns out, there are no innate differences in intelligence betweem men and women, and any areas where one on average does better than the other are not significant differences, and usually there is an area where they do worse to balance it out. So the studies done don't show any significant correlation between sexes and intelligence or areas of intelligence. Yet the higher intelligence requiring fields in Japan are occupied overwhelmingly by men. This is not due to a biological factor, and therefore must be due to a human-made system or concept. Culture is the best fit for this. Sure there could be other factors, but they are not consistent when compared to other countries.

Also, women's studies courses use statistics, logic, and critical thinking. They use other things like opinions and ethics, but it's a field of philosophy, so it's not unwarranted. As is the field of cultural studies. There's no right or wrong answer. In the end it's all just opinionated bullshit.

This is what I'm saying, lack of critical thinking.

So the only reason people choose a specific job is intelligence?

There are no other possible reasons which may be biologically driven for the two genders to make different choices?

You have a falsifiable study you can reference showing that use of these vocal patterns leads to specific jobs?

I work in the medical field, where bullshit opinions (which appears to be quite a reasonable description of the fields surrounding gender studies) get people killed. I have no time and less respect for people who spout them.

After you answer the above questions, I'll be happy to discuss the fact that generalized intelligence tests are actually tests of a variety of skills and are specifically designed to reference a normed population so disparate groups can be compared on a single scale. The studies showing that there are no differences are generally using tests from which they specifically remove those subtests on which there tends to be variation. Unsurprisingly, when you take out all the subtests men and women perform differently on... They tend not to perform differently. There are several studies showing that there are gender differences if you don't remove the items on which men and women perform differently.

There may or may not be differences, but until we remove gender studies politics from the research it will be muddled with, as you say, 'opinionated bullshit.'

 

[Gpugou]

This is what I'm saying, lack of critical thinking.

So the only reason people choose a specific job is intelligence?

There are no other possible reasons which may be biologically driven for the two genders to make different choices?

You have a falsifiable study you can reference showing that use of these vocal patterns leads to specific jobs?

I work in the medical field, where bullshit opinions (which appears to be quite a reasonable description of the fields surrounding gender studies) get people killed. I have no time and less respect for people who spout them.

After you answer the above questions, I'll be happy to discuss the fact that generalized intelligence tests are actually tests of a variety of skills and are specifically designed to reference a normed population so disparate groups can be compared on a single scale. The studies showing that there are no differences are generally using tests from which they specifically remove those subtests on which there tends to be variation. Unsurprisingly, when you take out all the subtests men and women perform differently on... They tend not to perform differently. There are several studies showing that there are gender differences if you don't remove the items on which men and women perform differently.

There may or may not be differences, but until we remove gender studies politics from the research it will be muddled with, as you say, 'opinionated bullshit.'

When did I say only intelligence is the factor?
Claims to have critical thinking skills, uses straw-man argument fallacy.

 

[S.K.]

I was searching on why Japanese girls sound too high pitched in Japanese porn and it sounds like the answer is because of the cute culture. The men are interested in adolescent girls apparently. This isn't sexy. This is just creepy.

You're right. A mid 30s white woman pretending to be 18 by dressing excessively childishly, cursing like a sailor in a deep voice while having awkwardly violent anal sex with a black man (99% of western porno these days, I swear), now that's sexy.

I like a woman to be feminine, but there's a line between feminine and childish. Childish doesn't belong in porn. A woman should have a natural adult voice unless she's talking to animals or children.

I think you're just not familiar enough with the Japanese language to tell what a feminine and childish voice is like. Theirs are definitely feminine. You can't apply the same standards across all cultures. I'm pretty sure English speaking men sound like little boys to some cultures. Think about it, Russian and Arabs are often portrayed as always being loud and threatening. What do you think they think about you? Probably the opposite.

I wonder if there's a clueless Russian somewhere making a post asking why people from your country express themselves like children.

But it needs to be natural and not forced.

So what's the problem? Are you implying that Japanese girls are forced to behave like they do? Have you ever even visited Japan? This is isn't exactly Saudi Arabia.