Who's going to put flowers on your grave ?

McTojo

Sempai
Joined
5 Oct 2005
Messages
114
Reaction score
10
I had a dream the other night about death. An ethereal being in my dream had appeared and asked me," who's going to put flowers on your grave after you die?"
I had to think for awhile about that question, like it even matters ? But I actually gave it some thought...

I remember reading an anti-suicide booklet that was published in both English and Japanese that was written by a Buddhist monk in Gunma. The booklet admonishes people who contemplate taking their own lives and how it leads to 3000 years of misery in the world of the dead. I recall vaguely one interesting point about what it would be like to live in the world of the dead.
This booklet said that spirit beings can penetrate through anything except stone !
Does anyone know why this is not possible because I don't know ?

Anyway, back on topic...I know the obvious answer to this question but this question is intriguing to me.
 
Why should it matter ? You won't know about it anyway. There is no world of the dead, so no misery afterwards.
 
3000 years of misery? Oh dear. What do I have ahead of me!
But I don't really believe in things like 'the world of the dead' anyway.

Who would put flowers on my grave? Well, I don't know yet. I hope I have a lot of time before I have to seriously think of something like that!
 
Flowers...

will grow out of my rib cage after a couple of interesting months of transfiguration if I am lucky enough to be left in the open. Thus I shall grow my own flowers ecofriendly that won't fade in three days, yay, o glory ! 👏 🌹
As for spirit beings not penetrating stone ? Never heard of it.
As far as I know, water is known to work around the stone, not thru it, but with enough time, trickling water will penetrate the tough granite, and so can vodka. :romance:
In the final analysis love conquors all whatever that means; life maybe ? hehe :D
 
Maciamo said:
Why should it matter ? You won't know about it anyway. There is no world of the dead, so no misery afterwards.

Right, but I think the grave and flowers isn't something to be done for you, but to be done for the people grieving you. they need to do something, and left with no options they do something clearly non-productive but that gives them a goal or some sort of ground to stand on.

Who will put flowers on my grave?.. Anyone that wants to.
 
Absolutely no one. I will leave this planet in a lonely fashion, and nobody will notice. Oh well, you can't have everything in life even in death right?

Doc 🙂
 
I agree with maciamo... i would rather prefer that my close ones would think of me from time to time and rememer the meaningful bonds we shared rather than having them visit some useless place..i plan to be cremated anyways... and mac long time no see... what u been up 2 ?
 
To me, the question that is the title of this thread isn't so much meant as a literal question, but a question to make you stop and think about who will actually care when you're dead.
 
Kinsao said:
To me, the question that is the title of this thread isn't so much meant as a literal question, but a question to make you stop and think about who will actually care when you're dead.

I would agree with that assessment, Kinsao. That sorta reminds me of an old saying I heard a long time ago:

"You can always tell how popular a man was by the number of cars in his funeral procession."

I like to think somebody will care about me, think about me from time to time, maybe even lift a glass in my honor after I shuffle off this mortal coil. And I'm sure everyone here will also be fondly remembered after their time has come and gone, even if it's just by one person. Sometimes, that's more than enough.
 
I Know.....

my cat will pick a dandylion to put on my special spot.

Frank

😊
 
Sometimes I walk pass graveyards and look on the dates on the headstones. If a date is around about 80 to 90 years old you will very rarely see flowers on the grave. Any older, none at all. To me rememberance of a deceased relative only lasts about 2 maybe 3 generations. Do you care for your great Grandparents grave? People you have never known? It strikes me for average joes in the world memories and flowers on a grave are transcient. Those graves they dig up on Time Team were tended once, now there are relics of our past.
I think the best way for anyone to remember a deceased relative are the memories of when they were alive. My grandfather believed in this and was said he never wanted a headstone. Actually I think the best way would be a natural burial with a tree planted on your grave. You give life to something else
 
I'll put flowers on MY own grave :devilish: I'll become a ghost and haunt around the graveyard.


Deserted graves makes me sad. You see graves that no one cares about anymore. Next to my grandfathers grave there's a grave of a one-year-old child. No one has visited that grave for years and years. It's very depressing, so see it slowly fade away. It's like no one cares. But I guess life goes on... I used to think, people who were constantly visiting the graves of their relatives weren't enjoying life. I thought, that they were the sort of people that would rather spend time by their dead beloved's grave than enjoy life. I thought it better to just let go. Now, I don't know. Putting flowers by graves is a nice gesture. I don't even want to think about my own grave. However, recently my grandmother has started putting out a flower on that child's grave wherever she visits my grandfather's grave. That's very nice of her, I think... It doesn't look as deserted that way.
 
Nobody. When I go, I'm taking the world with me. "I'm taking my toys and going home!"

As far as why we don't care...


"One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."

-50 Cent​

Twelve Steps to Total Enlightenment

1. What do monkeys have to do with it?

Picture a monkey. A monkey dressed like a little pirate, if you wish. We'll call him Slappy.

Imagine you have Slappy as a pet. Imagine a personality for him. Maybe you and he have little pirate monkey adventures and maybe even join up to fight crime. You'd be sad if Slappy died, wouldn't you?

Now, imagine you get five more monkeys. Tito, Bubbles, Fluffy, Marcel and ShitTosser. Imagine personalities for each of them. Maybe one is aggressive, one is affectionate, one is distant and quiet. And so on. They're all your personal monkey friends.

Now imagine a hundred monkeys. Then a thousand.

How long until you can't tell them apart? Or remember their names? At what point, in your mind, do your beloved pets become just a faceless sea of monkey? If you get enough monkeys, you'll eventually have enough that you no longer even care if one of them dies.

Now, each of these monkeys is every bit the monkey that Slappy was. It's just that you don't give a rat's *** any more.

2. So this whole thing is your crusade against monkey overpopulation? I'll have my monkey castrated this very day!

Uh, no. Stay with me here.

You see, monkey experts performed a monkey study a while back and discovered that the size of the monkey's monkey brain determined the size of the monkey groups the monkeys formed. The bigger the brain, the bigger the little societies they built.

They cut up so many monkey brains, in fact, that they found they could actually take a brain they had never seen before and with a simple dissection, analysis and a quick taste, they could accurately predict what size tribes that species of creature formed.

Most monkeys operate in troupes of 50 or so. But somebody slipped them a slightly larger monkey brain -- but a monkey brain nonetheless -- and they estimated the ideal group or society for this particular animal was about 150.

That brain, of course, was human. Probably from a homeless man they snatched off the streets.

3. Oooooh. Okay...



I don't get it.


Let's try an example. Famous news talking guy Tim Russert tells a charming story in his book Big Russ and Me (the title referring to his on-and-off romance with actor Russell Crowe) about his father, who used to take half an hour to carefully box up any broken glass before taking it to the trash. Why? Because "the trash guy might cut his hands."

That this was such an odd thing to do illustrates my monkey point. None of us spend time worrying too much about the garbage man's welfare even though he performs a crucial role in not forcing us to live in a cave carved from a mountain of our own filth. We don't usually consider his safety or comfort at all and if we do, it's not in the same way we would worry over our best friend or wife or girlfriend or even our dog.

For instance, I live in a town heavy on little ordinances about what one can and cannot throw out in the trash (lawn clippings must be sealed in clear plastic, labelled, individually sterilized, named and stacked in alphabetical order according to species). Thus, if you listen to people around here speak on the subject of garbage you get nothing but snide comments and strategies to get around the petty rules (just dump the drain cleaner in a pickle jar! Those trash bastards will never know!)

There is almost no thought about what the drain acid or the Black Plague-infected rats in the garbage will do to the poor sanitation worker.

Why? Because the trash guy exists outside the Monkeysphere.

4. The Monkeysphere?

Yes, the Monkeysphere. That's the group of people who each of us, using our monkeyish brains, are able to conceptualize as people. If the monkey scientists are monkey right, it's physically impossible for this to be a number larger than 150. Most of us do not have room in our Monkeysphere for our friendly neighborhood Sanitation Worker. So, we don't think of him as a person. We think of him The Thing That Makes The Trash Go Away.

5. Hey! I like my garbage man!

Maybe, but one way or another we all have limits to our sphere of monkey concern. It's simply the way our brains are built. We each have a certain circle of people who we think of as people. Usually it's our own friends and family and neighbors and classmates and coworkers (or at least the ones in your department) and church or suicide cult.

This is literally the reason society doesn't work quite right. The people who exist outside that core group of a few dozen people are not people to us. They're sort of one-dimensional bit characters.

Remember the first time, as a kid, you met one of your school teachers outside the classroom? Maybe you saw old Miss Puckerson at Taco Bell picking up and eating a whole Taco Salad with her bare hands? Or you saw your principal walking out of a dildo shop?

Do you remember that surreal feeling you had when you saw these people actually had lives outside the classroom? I mean, they're teachers.

Or think of it this way: Which would upset you more, your brother dying, or a dozen kids across town getting killed because their bus collided with a truck hauling killer bees?

Which would be bigger news to your neighbors, those dozen mutilated bus children across town or 15,000 dead in an earthquake in Iran?

They're all humans and they are all equally dead. But the closer to our Monkeysphere they are, the more it means to us.

6. That's not my fault! I don't know those people!

Right. And they don't know you. That's why they don't mind stealing your stereo or vandalizing your house or cutting your wages or raising your taxes or bombing your office building or choking your computer with spam advertising diet and penis drugs they know don't work. You're outside their Monkeysphere. In their mind, you're just a vague shape with a pocket full of money for the taking.

That's the whole thing, right here. Life on Earth, in a nutshell. We are hard-wired to have a drastic double standard for the people inside and out of our Monkeysphere and those outside make up 99.999% of the world's population.

Have you ever gotten pissed off in traffic? Like, really pissed off? I think we all have. We've thrown finger gestures and wedged our heads out of the window and screamed "LEARN TO ******* DRIVE, ****ER!!" We've all pulled the gun out of the glove compartment and let a few fly at the offending car. Not firing at their head or anything. Just, you know, at their tires.

Now imagine yourself standing in an elevator with three other people, two friends and a coworker. A friend goes to hit a button and accidentally punches the wrong one. Would you lean over, your mouth two inches from her ear, and scream "LEARN TO OPERATE THE ******* ELEVATOR BUTTONS, SHITCAMEL!!"

They'd think you'd gone insane. We all go a little insane, though, when we get in a group larger than the Monkeysphere. You know the feeling, that invincibility of being an anonymous head in a crowd, screaming curses at a football player you'd never dare say to his face.

7. I'm nice to strangers! Being anonymous doesn't have to lead to assholism!

Not right away, but eventually. It starts when the needs of ourselves or those within our Monkeysphere require screwing someone outside it (even if that need is just venting some tension and anger via exaggerated insults). This is why most of wouldn't dream of stealing money from the pocket of the old lady next door, but don't mind stealing cable or adding a shady exemption on our tax return or quietly celebrating when they forget to charge us for something at the restaurant.

You may have a list of rationalizations as long as a porn star's beefhorn for doing it, but the truth is that in our monkey brains the old woman next door is a human being while the cable company is a big, cold, faceless machine. That the company is, in reality, nothing but a group of people every bit as human as the old lady, or that some kind old ladies actually work there and would lose their jobs if enough cable were stolen, rarely occurs to us.

That's one of the ingenius things about the big-time religions, by the way. The old religious writers knew it was easier to put the screws to a stranger, so they taught us to get a personal idea of God in our heads who says, "no matter who you hurt, you're really hurting me. Also, I can crush you like a grape." You must admit that if they weren't writing words inspired by the Almighty himself, they at least understood the Monkeysphere.

You see? Once you understand the Monkeysphere principle you can see examples all around. You'll walk the streets in a daze, like Roddy Piper after putting on his X-ray sunglasses in They Live.

Click on a talk radio show. Listen to conservatives talk about "The Government" as if it were some huge, lurking dragon ready to eat you and your paycheck whole. Never mind that the government is made up of people and that all of that money they take goes into the pockets of human beings. Conservative talker Rush Limbaugh is known to tip 50% at restaurants, but flies into a broadcast tirade if even half that dollar amount is deducted from his paycheck by "the government," even though that money helps that very same single mom he had no problem tipping in her capacity as a waitress.

Click over to a liberal show now, listen to them describe "Multinational Corporations" in the same diabolical terms, an evil black force that belches smoke and poisons water and enslaves humanity. Isn't it strange how, say, a lone man who carves and sells children's toys in his basement is a sweetheart who just loves bringing joy at Christmas, but a big-time toy corporation (which brings toys to millions of kids at Christmas) is an inhuman soul-grinding greed machine? Strangely enough, if the kindly lone toy making guy made enough toys and hired enough people and expanded to enough shops, we'd eventually stop seeing it as a toy-making shop and start seeing it as the fiery Orc factories of Mordor.

And if you've just thought, "well, those talk show hosts are just a bunch of egomaniacal blowhards," you've just done the same thing, boiled real humans into a two-word cartoon character. It's the Monkeysphere!

8. Stop using the word 'Monkeysphere!' Humans are completely different from monkeys!

Legendary monkeytician Charles Darwin would disagree.

It was Darwin's observation of primates along with his assistant, Jeje (pronounced "heyhey") Santiago that caused him to deduce that humans and chimps were evolutionary cousins. As sophisticated as we are (compare our advanced sewage treatment plants to the chimps' primitive technique of hurling the feces with their bare hands), the inescapable truth is we are just as limited by our mental hardware as that tragic figure of American lore, Terminator 2.

The primary difference is that monkeys are happy to stay in small groups and rarely interact with others outside their monkey gang. This is why they rarely go to war, though when they do it is widely thought to be hilarious. Humans, however, require cars and oil and quality manufactured goods by the fine folks at 3M and Japanese video games and worldwide internets and, most importantly, governments. All of these things take groups larger than 150 people to maintain effectively. Thus, we routinely find ourselves functioning in bunches larger than our primate brains are able to cope with.

This is where the problems begin. Like a fragile naked human pyramid, we are simultaneously supporting and resenting each other. We ***** out loud about our soul-sucking job as an anonymous face on an assembly line, while at the exact same time riding in a car that only an assembly line could have produced. It's a constant contradiction that has left us pissed off and joining informal wrestling clubs in basements.

This is why I think it was with a great burden of sadness that Darwin turned to his assistant and lamented, "Jeje, we're the monkeys."

9. Well, Monkeysphere or no Monkeysphere, some groups deserve our sympathy and some don't.

No, I'm not talking about sympathy. That was a stupid, stupid comment and you're a fool to have made it.

I'm not asking anyone to sympathize with the terrorists, for instance.

But think of Osama Bin Laden. Did you just picture a camouflaged man hiding in a cave, drawing up suicide missions? Or are you thinking of a man who gets hungry and has a favorite food and who had a childhood crush on a girl and who has athelete's foot and chronic headaches and laughs when a friend farts, a man who wakes up in the morning with a boner and loves volleyball and fusses over his spoiled children and haggles over the price of a car and who goes on Seinfeld-esque rants about too much ice in his drinks?

Something in you, just now, probably was offended by that. You think I'm trying to build sympathy for the murderous bastard. Do you see the equation? Simply knowing random human facts about him immediately tugs at our sympathy strings. He comes closer to our Monkeysphere, he takes on dimension.

Now, the cold truth is my Bin Laden is just as desperately in need of a bullet to the skull as the raving four-color caricature on some redneck's T-shirt. The key to understanding people like him, though, is realizing that we are the caricature on his T-shirt.

Go ahead, try it with any bad guy. I heard a 16 year-old kid I know, one just getting into politics, go on and on about how Washington doesn't give a **** about us and how greedy politicians are and so on ("what's FICA?!?!" he screams as he looks at his first paycheck).

I also saw this same kid, at his job, drop a hamburger patty on the floor, pick it up, and slap in on a bun and serve it to a customer. Well, there's your key to understanding your government, kiddies. Those politicians see you in the exact same way you see the customers lined up at the burger counter. Which is, just barely. Want to guess how the CEO at your company sees you worker bees?

In both cases, for the guy making the burger and the guy running Exxon, getting through the workweek and collecting the paycheck are all that matters. No thought is given to the real human unhappiness being spread by doing it shittily (ever gotten so sick from food poisoning you thought your stomach lining was going to fly out of your mouth?) Why? Because that many customers or employees just can't fit inside the Monkeysphere.

If you've just now protested that you shouldn't have to care for the customers for minimum wage, let me assure you that if you don't feel sympathy for your fellow man at $6.00 an hour, you won't feel anything at $600,000 a year.

Or, look at it the other way. If you're allowed to be indifferent and even resentful to the masses for $6.00 an hour, just think of how angry the average Pakistani man is allowed to be when he's making the equivalent of six dollars a week. And so on.

10. The Monkeysphere will surely be the end of us all!

Well, maybe. There is a reason why all of the really phat-*** nations with the biggest SUV's with the shiniest 22-inch rims all have some kind of representative democracy (where you vote for people to do the governmenting for you) and all of them are, to some degree, capitalist (where people actually get to buy property and keep some of what they earn). It monkeys out like this:

A representative democracy allows a small group of people to make all of the decisions, while letting us common people feel like we're doing something by going to a polling place every couple of years and pulling a lever that, in reality, has about the same effect as the darkness knob on your toaster. We can simultaneously feel like we're in charge while being contained enough that we can't cause any real monkey mayhem once we fly into one of our screeching, arm-flapping monkey frenzies (a woman showed her boob at the Super Bowl! We want a boob and football ban immediately!)

Conversely, some people in the distant past naively thought they could sit all of the millions of monkeys down and say, "okay, everybody go pick the bananas, then bring them here, and we'll distribute them with a complex formula determining banana need! Now go gather bananas for the good of society!" For the monkeys it was a confused, comical, tree-humping disaster.

Later, a far more cynical man sat the monkeys down and said, "you want bananas? Each of you go get your own. I'm taking a nap." That man, of course, was German philosopher Hans Capitalism.

As long as everybody gets their own bananas and shares with the few in their Monkeysphere, the system will thrive even though nobody is even trying to make the system thrive. This is perhaps how Ayn Rand would have put it, had she not been such a hateful *****.

Then, some time in the Third Century, French philosopher Pierre "Frenchy" LaFrench invented racism. This was a way of simplifying the too-complex-for-monkeys world by imagining all people of a certain race as being the same person, thinking they all have the same attitudes and mannerisms and tastes in food and clothes and music. It sort of works, as long as we think of that person as being a good person (those Asians are so hard-working and precise and well-mannered!) but when we start seeing them as being one, giant, gaping ******* (the French, ironically) our monkey happiness again breaks down.

11. So we should kill the French?

It's not all the French's fault. The truth is, all of these monkey management schemes only go so far. For instance, today one in four Americans has some kind of mental illness, usually depression. One in four. Watch a basketball game. The odds are at least two of those people on the floor are mentally ill. Look around your house; if everybody else there seems okay, it's you.

Is it any surprise? I just watched a whole news special on the Obesity Epidemic. I've had this worry laid on my shoulders about millions of other people eating too much. What exactly am I supposed to do with that information? I know what to do about the fact that I'm fat, but why am I getting upset about 80 million other people whose diets I don't control? You're harshing my buzz with the pork-laden plight of people outside my Monkeysphere and now I carry that useless weight of worry around like, you know, some kind of animal on my back.

12. So how can we defeat the Monkeysphere? Would it help if we cut all of the carbs from our diet? What if we were more proactive?

You can start by implementing a little three-step plan I like to call The TriMonkey or... the T.R.Y. Monkey:

First, TOTAL *****. That is, accept the fact THAT YOU ARE ONE. We all are.

That really annoying person you know, the one who's always spouting bullshit, the person who always thinks they're right? Well, the odds are that for somebody else, you're that person.

So take the amount you think you know, reduce it by 99.999%, and then you'll have an idea of how much you actually know regarding things outside your Monkeysphere. Once you accept this you can no longer smirk over other people just because you think they're morons.

This way you won't, for instance, snidely dismiss all religious faith as ridiculous and in the next breath solemnly share your experiences with the conspiracy of reptilian overlords who secretly run society.

Second, UNDERSTAND that there are no Supermonkeys. Just monkeys.

Those guys on TV you see, giving the inspirational seminars, teaching you how to reach your potential and become rich and successful like them? You know how they made their money? By giving seminars. For the most part, the only thing they do well is convince others they do everything well.

No, the universal ***** principal established in No. 1 above applies here, too. Don't pretend politicians are somehow supposed to be immune to all the backhanded ****ery we all do in our daily lives and don't laugh and point when the preacher gets caught on video snorting cocaine off a prostitute's ***. A good exercise is to picture your hero -- whoever it is -- passed out on his lawn, naked from the waist down. The odds are it's happened at some point. Even Gandhi most likely has hotel rooms and dead hookers in his past.

And don't even think about ignoring advice from a moral teacher just because the source enjoys the ol' Colombian Nose Candy from time to time. We're all members of varying species of hypocrite (or did you tell them at the job interview that you once called in sick to spend a day leveling up on Final Fantasy X?) Don't use your heroes' vices as an excuse to let yours run wild.

And finally, DON'T LET ANYBODY simplify it for you. The world cannot be made simple. Anyone who tries to paint a picture of the world in basic comic book colors is most likely trying to use you as a pawn.

This is not a world of us vs. them, of home vs. away teams and animal mascots. It is not a world of step-by-step success plans and clever slogans.

So just remember: T-R-Y. Go forth and do likewise, gents. Now you've got
MONKEY MOMENTUM!
 
Hmm, I think that I would just die, in some inconspicuous place, and nobody will find me. Therefore I too would have grown my own flowers, weeds, grass.... just the general stuff.
Dont even know if I want to be cremated or buried.
 
Nobody. I'm to be cremated and ashed to be dumped in the ocean. No headstone.

Friends should remember the good times we had and get along with their lives.
 
isayhello said:
I'll put flowers on MY own grave :devilish: I'll become a ghost and haunt around the graveyard.


Deserted graves makes me sad. You see graves that no one cares about anymore. Next to my grandfathers grave there's a grave of a one-year-old child. No one has visited that grave for years and years. It's very depressing, so see it slowly fade away. It's like no one cares. But I guess life goes on... I used to think, people who were constantly visiting the graves of their relatives weren't enjoying life. I thought, that they were the sort of people that would rather spend time by their dead beloved's grave than enjoy life. I thought it better to just let go. Now, I don't know. Putting flowers by graves is a nice gesture. I don't even want to think about my own grave. However, recently my grandmother has started putting out a flower on that child's grave wherever she visits my grandfather's grave. That's very nice of her, I think... It doesn't look as deserted that way.

That was a touching post hello...that one year old child...wow ! Now that I think about it it's depressing to know that that child was once alive and that it breathed and had a mind of its own. Unloved and not remembered as if someone unremembered its existance.
 
It sometimes makes me feel sad to see graves that are untended, because no-one any longer remembers the person.

Maybe no-one cares enough to tend the grave, or maybe all their friends and relations are dead too.

But it also makes me have a sense of perspective. Because, all these people crumbled away in the earth, they had similar problems and worries and pains to me... and now, what does it all matter? And how really important are the things I'm worrying about? It makes me think about what is and is not important... about what, if anything, of me will continue when I'm dead; about how people might remember me and how something of me could still be with them when I've gone.
 
Pierrot le Fou said:
"One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."

-50 Cent​
that quote is not 50 cent... that man has never said anything intelligent and original in his life, don't credit him with famous quotes. if I'm not mistaken, it was Stalin that said that.

"I say, Eminem and 50 Cent wouldn't know a proper lyric if it crawled up their a**es and brought them to orgasm through prostate stimulation. Here's a gramatical curiosity from 50 Cent's "Wanksta."
'We in the club doin' the same ol' two-step/Guerilla unit/Cause they say we bugged out/Cause we don't go nowhere without toast.'
Now you listen to me, Mr. Cent. You want to make it in this business? LAY OFF THE DOOBIE!... Stewie for Governor!"
- Stewie
 
Twisted Mac, I'm assuming you haven't heard 50 cent or Eminem actually speak, no? ☝
 
Doc said:
Absolutely no one. I will leave this planet in a lonely fashion, and nobody will notice. Oh well, you can't have everything in life even in death right?

Doc 🙂


Aaaawww, Doc, you know i'll travel to wherever you are buried just to put flowers on your grave. 😊 Everyone deserves flowers on their graves. It's a travesty not to have any! 😭
 
In case anyone hadn't noticed, the article was full of humour, the attribution of said quote was most likely part of that humour. I sincerely doubt the author of said article actually thinks said quote was stated by 50 cent. And it ain't my article, hence the reason I indented it, and linked to the original.
 
Of course, it was said by stalin, I think. :D

:auch: But it ain't funny no mo' once ya says it is. That just ain't right, M. Le Fou. :D
 
I think my wife will put some noddle on my grave someday, not flowers (well, to be honest, I hope that she'll go away before me, so I'll be the one being sad).
 
Hell, I'll settle for weeds! I won't at all be particular, especially when I'm feeding the worms!

:D :D :D :D :D
 
if it doesnt matter why do we care what we do so much in life...
 
Back
Top Bottom