For instance, some similarities in motives could be found when studying about the Boxer Rebellion.
Elizabeth said:Atrocities meaning Japanese restaurants in China having their front glass shattered or the embassy getting a brick through its window ? :?
Crystal Night (Kristallnacht)
"Crystal Night" or "Night of the Broken Glass" pogrom conducted throughout Germany and Austria on November 9 and 10, 1938
It was officially presented as a spontaneous outburst provoked by the assassination of the third secretary of the German embassy in Paris, Ernst vom Rath, by a seventeen-year-old Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan. The name Kristallnacht refers to the broken shop windows of Jewish stores. The riots came as the culmination of assaults made upon the Jews in Germany and Austria. The catalytic development was the deportation of about 17,000 Polish Jews who were driven into a no-man's-land between the two countries on October 28, 1938. The greatest number of the deportees were left stranded near the border town of Zbaszyn. Herschel Grynszpan's parents were in this group, and news of their plight drove the desperate youth to his act of revenge. Following his shooting of vom Rath on November 7, sporadic anti-Jewish rioting started on November 8. On the afternoon of November 9, vom Rath died. The same evening, Joseph Goebbels harangued the "old fighters" of the party who had gathered in Munich at their annual commemoration of Hitler's abortive putsch of November 8 and 9, 1923. That night, instructions were conveyed to all parts of the country. In accordance with the orders, the crowds were encouraged by the SA to participate in the atmosphere of outrage. Mass frenzy broke out, synagogues were destroyed and burned, shop windows of Jewish-owned stores were shattered, the shattered glass covering the sidewalks, and the demolished stores were looted. Jewish homes were assaulted, and in many places Jews were physically attacked. About 30,000 Jews - especially those who were influential and wealthy - were arrested, often with the help of previously prepared lists, and were thrown into concentration camps, where they were treated with great cruelty by the SS. This was the first time that riots against the Jews of Germany had been organised on such an extensive scale, accompanied by mass detention. The pogrom was followed by administrative and legal orders issued with a fourfold object: 1) to complete the process of "Aryanization" to the benefit of the government's disrupted revenues: 2) to expedite the Jews' emigration: 3) to isolate the Jews completely from the general population: 4) and to abolish the still quasi- autonomous organisation of the Reichsvertretung (the National Representation of Jews in Germany) and other official Jewish institutions. A fine of one billion Reichsmarks imposed on the Jewish community under the pretext of reparation for the murder of vom Rath, the insurance payments for the damages were confiscated by the State and Jewish store owners were made liable for the repairs.
"Aryanization" was to be implemented
On Heydrich's suggestion, it was decided to co-ordinate the Jews' emigration through a Central Office for Jewish Emigration to be established in Germany along the lines of the one developed by Adolf Eichmann in Austria. Jewish children were removed from public schools. The sharp reaction to the Kristallnacht outrage that was expressed by the Western press and public did not affect the Nazis. President Franklin D. Roosevelt recalled the United States ambassador, Hugh Wilson, as a protest and declared his deep shock. Public pressure did, however, force most of the western European governments to admit some refugees, especially children. Goering, who had persuaded Hitler to put him in charge, now handled the Reich's Jewish policy together with Himmler, and Goebbels's aspirations to play a decisive part were thus thwarted. The methods of the SS and of the SD under Heydrich became policy. While this conclusion about the result of the outbreak is generally accepted, historians differ in their opinions about its cause. Some hold that Goebbels exploited circumstances by improvisation, and others maintain that the assault was premeditated; probably both methods were involved. In any case, Kristallnacht was a turning point. It was the Nazis' first experience of large-scale anti-Jewish violence, and opened the way to the complete eradication of the Jews' position in Germany.
Boaaaah! What now?ArmandV said:Just so you will see the parallels between what happened to Jewish businesses in Germany and Austria in 1938 and what's going on in China against Japanese businesses, this describes "Crystal Night."
bossel said:Boaaaah! What now?
The Night of Broken Glass (Reichskristallnacht) is similar to what's happening now in China? Either you forgot your history lessons or you deliberately blow the event out of proportion.
Reichskristallnacht not only means that some shop windows were broken. Jews were beaten up & raped, 91 killed. 30,000 Jews were sent to concentration camps, where several hundred died. Do you see this happening to the Japanese in China? You should be careful about what you compare!
The current protests probably have tacit approval by the CCP, but it's very doubtful that they get really out of hand. It's even more doubtful that China would adopt a similar policy to Japanese as the Nazis had regarding Jews.
You should not forget that there is a lot at stake for the CCP. If they would allow the mob to really destroy Japanese factories or similar, they lose more than they get. Japan is one of the biggest trading partners of China. If Japanese companies don't invest anymore or stop producing in China, hundreds of thousands Chinese might lose their jobs. Since they have already enough trouble with unemployment, the CCP most probably won't let that happen.
Using anti-Japanese sentiments to distract from domestic problems is one thing. But if the CCP would let these sentiments get out of hand, they would cut their own flesh.
Well....anyway....this latest round of demostrations appear to have been halted by Chinese officials for the time being. I'm tuned in to Japanese news pretty much constantly and I can tell you this has the feel much more of protests that take place every four years in the wake of textbook revisions (although generally in Korea, only a few thousand people on the occasion of an official visit, perhaps the involving recall of ambassadors or some other diplomatic maneuvering) than the beginning of a world war. It hasn't even been the lead story on every newscast....there is a much greater sense of trepadation in the area directed at the North Korea and the China-Taiwan situations. Since I think the Japanese people are in a much better position to judge what the beginning of genocide looks like, for now I'm taking my cues from them.Hiroshi66 said:Well said, Armand V. Bossel, if this demonstrations becomes worse there may be looting and rape, God forbid. I doubt this would occur, but if the demonstrations and looting become worse, then I could see cases of it occuring.
Elizabeth said:Well....anyway....this latest round of demostrations appear to have been halted by Chinese officials for the time being. I'm tuned in to Japanese news pretty much constantly and I can tell you this has the feel much more of protests that take place every four years in the wake of textbook revisions (although generally in Korea, only a few thousand people on the occasion of an official visit, perhaps the involving recall of ambassadors or some other diplomatic maneuvering) than the beginning of a world war.
bossel said:That's a bit over the top, just like Maciamo saying that China now is "more repressive than the German or Japanese one in the 1930's". That's simply not true. Germany in the 30s was much worse.
Eisuke said:It is strange that the Chinese Communist Party is able to stop riots against itself but not against other countries.
Actually, China in the Cultural Revolution probably was worse than Germany in the 30s. The PRC has changed dramatically since then, though. It's still a repressive dictatorship, but far from anything Nazi-like. Well, for the common Han-Chinese, that is. Tibetans & Uyghurs still have to suffer.Maciamo said:Maybe not China now, but in the 1950's, 60's and 70's... Could you say that Germany has ever reached such a level of repression, when people in China were not even allowed to move city without an official permission, or forced to move to the remote countryside and work as farmers even if they were intellectuals ? Many people in China now have grown up under this repressive regime of Mao, and surely still have deep frustrations inside them now (which they may have transmitted to their children).
It is what the communist party is scared of, because their "nationalist" education could now backfire on them.pipokun said:Really hope that the innocent mobs would transform into the future democratic movements there.
Wishful thinking?窶督ｼ窶督ｳ窶堋ｵ said:What if anti-Japan demo spectators joining in the march to turn itself into anti-gov't mob? What will happen if some of them are killed by riot police, perhaps in Tiananmen Square.
CCP might not be a solid monolithic entity. If those fenqing clowns are still loyal to Jiang Zemin, power struggle inside CCP might result a bit confusion to the nation in the form of demo/riot.bossel said:The current protests probably have tacit approval by the CCP, but it's very doubtful that they get really out of hand.
No economic bubble lasts forever, and natural resources on/under the Earth are not enough to give middle-class life for all of one billion Chinese people.If they would allow the mob to really destroy Japanese factories or similar, they lose more than they get. Japan is one of the biggest trading partners of China. If Japanese companies don't invest anymore or stop producing in China, hundreds of thousands Chinese might lose their jobs. Since they have already enough trouble with unemployment, the CCP most probably won't let that happen.
Yes that was why Hu Jintao crashed the 爱国者同盟网 website (related post) in 2004.Using anti-Japanese sentiments to distract from domestic problems is one thing. But if the CCP would let these sentiments get out of hand, they would cut their own flesh.
窶督ｼ窶督ｳ窶堋ｵ said:However it is the matter of time til Koizumi visits Yasukuni again (he has been visiting the shrine every year since he got elected for the first time in 1972.)