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IsaacDavid

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I'm a beginner.i was trying to read a jlpt n3 reading file.i understand almost all except for this phrase i cannot figure out its meaning: その ホテル では,客 が チェックアウト した あと も 部屋 の ゴミ は もう 一泊 させる の だ そう だ.
 

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I have not written the complete text.what i have written is the part that i don't understand.
 

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I mean what part of that sentence don't you understand?
 

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All the sentence(sorry i wrote phrase) that i wrote above is what i don't understand.what is its translation?
 

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The core of the sentence is そのホテルでは、部屋のゴミはもう一泊させるのだそうだ。.

1) Have you already learned the function of ~そうだ at the end of the sentence?
2) Have you already learned the causative sentence? What is the causee in 部屋のゴミをもう一泊させる?
 

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I learn on my own. Soo da is: i heard that...the causative is cause somebody to do something.
 

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Yes, that's right. Both are correct. The sentence uses the personification. The causee is the trash, and 部屋のゴミをもう一泊させる "they(= the hotel) let the trash of the room stay one more night" actually means "they keep the trash(= they don't throw the trash away) for one more night".

は after ゴミ is for contrast.
 

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Thanks.as i want to know more about japanese can you explain me about"the sentence uses the personification" and "は after ゴミ is for contrast".
 

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Oh, sorry, I should have used "prosopopoeia" instead of "personification". 一泊する/させる is used only for people, but it's used for trash here.

As I wrote 部屋のゴミもう一泊させる, を is used to indicate the causee. は adds the meaning "they might throw other things away, but they keep the trash" to it.

How about 客がチェックアウトしたあとも?
 

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Explain me about that the sentence use prosopopoeia.you mean what i understand by:客がチェックアウトしたあとも?
 

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Because you wrote "All the sentence that I wrote above is what I don't understand." You actually already got the meaning of the clause? If so, you would be able to understand the whole sentence, no?
 

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Can you give us your translation of the whole sentence? This is a general idea and not just to you, but we often see the cases that "learners think they understand the meaning of a sentence" is not the same as "their understanding is correct". I believe it's useful for you to confirm whether you really understand it correctly or not.
 
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