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The Separation of the Japanese and Korean ethnic groups

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For archeological references, I recommend Jon Covell's Korean influence on Japan: Japan's Hidden History.


In fact, Jon Carter Covell’s book “ Korean Impact on Japanese Culture: Japan’s Hidden History ” is very famous among Koreans and they wave the book like the Bible or Qur’an.

However, the author has less credibility than Benjamin Fulford. … meaning the author has NO credibility whatsoever. She was not even a historian. I doubt she was able to read Hanja ( Chinese ) and Japanese. And if you can’t read those languages, you are not entitled to talk about Korean history since Korean historical documents are written in Hanja and Japanese.

I’ve seen so many ridicules Korean articles based on the book. Any descent Korean experts know the book is a joke. But, the problem is that a few non-experts take it seriously. It is sad sad to see those who believe Korean propaganda. Korean web is full of it as you see in the beef protest.

Those Korean ridicules view of history (or fantasy) is spreading from Korean web to the English web.. Watch out.
 
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Also, if Korea did not have these intrusions from the north the modern languages of both Japan and Korea would have been more similar than what linguists contend.


Jared Diamond wrote ...

Since languages change over time, the more similar two languages are, the more recently they must have diverged. By counting common words and features, linguists can estimate how long ago languages diverged, and such estimates suggest that Japanese and Korean parted company at least 4,000 years ago.At least 1500 years before the arrival of proto-Koreanic people in the peninsula.

However, the similarities between Japanese and Korean are confined to general grammatical features and about 15 percent of their basic vocabularies, rather than the detailed shared features of grammar and vocabulary that link, say, French to Spanish; they are more different from each other than Russian is from English.
 

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Jared Diamond wrote ...
Since languages change over time, the more similar two languages are, the more recently they must have diverged. By counting common words and features, linguists can estimate how long ago languages diverged, and such estimates suggest that Japanese and Korean parted company at least 4,000 years ago.At least 1500 years before the arrival of proto-Koreanic people in the peninsula.
However, the similarities between Japanese and Korean are confined to general grammatical features and about 15 percent of their basic vocabularies, rather than the detailed shared features of grammar and vocabulary that link, say, French to Spanish; they are more different from each other than Russian is from English.

But this is based on the assumption that all languages are divided from one common proto-language, a traditional historical linguistic view.
It is possible for a new language or a mixed, creole-like language to emerge in one or two generations.
 
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That amateur theorist Jared Diamond is neither geneticist nor linguist of NE Asia.

His article ' Japanese Roots ' ( not even a book ) published in 1998 DISCOVERY magazine set-off ' Japanese & Korean blood tie obsession frenzy ' among foreign Asianphiles in recent years.In all honesty,it's quite disturbing and pathetic.The truth of the matter is,Japanese and Koreans aren't ( never were ) as biologically close as some online idiotic average joes keep insisting.
 
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This is one of the things that comes up time to time. Now, here we go again.

Here is news [ in Korean] saying some Korean professor called 홍윤기 claims Amaterasu was a Korean (Silla) and Sugawara no Michizane was a Korean (Silla) too.

http://www.segye.com/Articles/News/...1&cid=0101090300000&dataid=200705081157000049

Many Japanese already pointed a whole bunch of mistakes in his claim. And their conclusion was the professor couldn’t even read the documents in old Chinese characters because there are so many pain simple mistakes.

Besides, even I know Amaterasu is a mythical god. Not even a human. Don’t confuse history and myth OK ? The Korean myth ' Dangun ' is considered to be historical fact in Korea and this myth is the basis of the 5000 Years of Korean History.Japanese don’t confuse history with myth ( except some were exaggerated and distorted during the war ).Japanese don’t confuse politics with history.

The Korean professor turned out to be a professor at “University of Foreign Language/Studies ” He is not even a historian.

This kind of things make many Japanese making fun of Koreans.* Below is the list [ in Japanese ] of Japanese said to be Korean-Japanese by Koreans but they are not.If ' he is great, he must be Korean ' type thinking is so common in Korean society that there is an article about this in the Wikipedia [in Japanese].Some Japanese created, just for fun, the ' 在日認定 ' certificate of being recognized as a Korean (descendant) by Koreans.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/在日認定

五木ひろし Hiroshi Itsuki (本名:松山 数夫 韓国でのイベントに参加したりした為、捏造認定される。両親とも日本人

美空ひばり Hibari Misora (両親とも日本人。死去時に週刊文春が徹底取材)

矢沢永吉 Eikichi Yazawa (過去スレのインタビューに海外に出て日の丸を見ると安心すると発言。パスポートも日本)

北野武 Takeshi Kitano (武が勘違いしてクォーター発言。後に母自ら否定し、本人も間違いだったと雑誌で発言)

星野仙一 Senichi Hoshino (韓国で捏造認定するも、父親は戦前の三菱重工の工場長で、著名な航空技術者だった星野仙蔵)

石川梨華 Rika Ishikawa (Mステでパスポート公開。日本人だった)

草なぎ剛 Tsuyoshi Kusanagi (薙じゃない字は帰化人では使えない字だから日本人)

倉木麻衣 Mai Kuraki (父方の祖父が、昭和中期の詩人である山前實治)

ユーミン Yumi Matsutoya (実家が八王子の老舗「荒井呉服店」)

中島みゆき Miyuki Nakajima (明治時代からの医者一家に生まれる。ありえない)

高倉健 Ken Takakura (本名:小田 剛一 先祖が江戸後半の筑前商家の内儀である小田宅子。「東路日記」の著者)

中田英寿 Hidetoshi Nakata (在日の願望が広まり、朝鮮日報が在日韓国人3世と報道。しかし中田本人と事務所が完全否定した為、朝鮮日報が誤りだったと訂正)

稲本潤一 Junichi Inamoto (WCの活躍により捏造認定されるが、両親ともに国体に出場。鹿児島出身)

松井稼頭央 Kazuo "Kaz" Matsui (在日による願望認定で噂が広まるが、2004年アテネ五輪日本代表メンバーに選出される)

石田ゆり子 Yuriko Ishida (小学生時代水泳でジュニアオリンピック出場。父親の仕事の関係で台湾に在住していた。朝鮮とは何の関係も無い)

貴ノ花 Takanohana Kenshi (中学時代、全国選抜水泳大会で記録を更新しオリンピックの候補に選ばれる)

布施明 Akira Fuse (オリビアハッセーと結婚した事で在日が願望認定するが、実兄が国際海洋法の権威で政府関係の役職にも多く就いている布施勉・横浜市大教授)

木村拓哉 Takuya Kimura (在日による願望認定。弟はアメリカンフットボールの日本代表でW杯に出場)

椎名桔平 Kippei Shiina (顔が中国系などの理由で在日が願望認定。しかし本人は高校時代サッカーで国体出場)

長嶋茂雄 Shigeo Nagashima (朝鮮日報が疑惑を指摘するが、父が千葉県臼井町(現佐倉市)の収入役だったのでありえない)

斉藤和巳 Kazumi Saito (朝鮮日報が記事で断定。しかし父が国体出場)
 
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Actually,in term of looks,Japanese and Korean look quite different.Great majority modern day Koreans have broad face and big head whereas Japanese have sharp narrower face and small head.

Also,most Koreans are stocky build oppose to the Japanese are mostly smaller build.

These basic physical characteristics are sufficient to ' debunk ' any argement that Japanese and Koreans are more closely related than other NE Asian group as a few die-hard internet enthusiasts keep insisting unless they believe it's result of ' abnormality genes ' in their DNA.
 
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Interesting. I have almost no problem with Korean-Japanese translations, given that the overall language IS similar.



It's not only Japanese who recognize that the Ryukyuan languages belong in the same family as the Japanese language/dialects.Any student of linguistics can guarantee you that the Ryukyuan and Japanese languages share a very large percentage of cognate vocabulary. This is a very soundly established fact; it should not be considered alongside the likes of ridiculous attempts to relate the Japanese language to .. Hawaiian .. Korean .. Basque .. or whatever.

To anyone who knows Japanese, these words look and sound like some sort of weird Japanese dialect, and not a truly foreign language. More importantly, regular "laws" of sound change can be formulated to explain the development of the observed Ryukyuan forms and the observed Japanese forms from their common ancestral language, Proto-Japanese-Ryukyuan (or Proto-Japonic, whatever you may call it).

For example, here is a list of the first four words in the "Adjectives" section of http://ryukyu-lang.lib.u-ryukyu.ac.jp/nkjn/part.php?area=NK&ID=6&pg=1 (includes voice samples)

/?a'iguruuseN/ ("rare, seldom occurring") = Japanese */ar-i-gurusi-i/ ("painfully difficult to be") (This word does not actually exist in Japanese, but it hypothetically could, and it would be cognate with the Nakijin form.)

/?a[?k]aaseN/ ("red") = Japanese /aka-i/ ("red")

/?aQseN/ ("shallow") = Japanese /asa-i/ ("shallow")

/?aQcibeeseN/ ("walks with a fast pace, to be a fast walker") = Japanese */aruk-i-baya-i/ (hypothetically could exist in Japanese with the same meaning, but Japanese people do not actually use this expression).

Some distinctions between Japanese and Central Okinawan (Shuri).

あ、い、う、え、お is usually あ、い、う、い、う
thus かぜ becomes かじ、 こめ becomes くみ、そば becomes すば

い in JPN adjectives = さん
あまい=あまさん、あつい=あちさん、おもしろい=うむさん、やすい=やっさん、など


And so, I repeat, Japanese and Ryukyuan languages are indisputably related.
 
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As someone who is interested in the histories and cultures of both nations, one of the things that I have always pondered about is the genetic/racial origins of both groups. Many anthropologists, linguists, and geneticists argue that Koreans and Japanese are quite close to each other racially.

There is some truth to this since both groups descended from the Siberian Tungus group.

However, the racial composition of modern Japanese and Koreans is another matter.



Regarding the Japanese & Koreans relatedness ( This wouldn’t be worth mentioning if it's true or Koreans and non-NE Asian surrogates wouldn't harp on it in cyberspace ),it can be a bias has aspects that reflect cultural/social/historical currents.

Consider the Yayoi Y chromosomes account for 51.9% of Japanese paternal lineages,which has a Southeast Asian origin established by *academic source.How is Japanese not more genetically related to continental SE coastal Chinese ?!

* http://www.springerlink.com/content/p31g0300430k6215/
 

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at first, we should define what Korean ethnic groups are.

today's korean is defferent from ancient korean.
Kudara ppl was totally different from silla ppl...
Kudara had gone..like this by Silla and China(They took support of the foreign power)
today's korean is Silla's lineage.



 百済の最後の首都は扶余(プヨ)でした。韓国中央部の西よりに位置し、いまは人口減少に悩む静かな町です。扶余郡は1町15村からなり、人口はあわせて8万人余といいます。
 扶余に、現在名では錦江という河が流れています。かつては白江とか白馬江とも呼ばれました。この河に臨んで扶蘇山という小高い山(海抜94メートル)があり、百済時代には山上に王宮の泗沘城(サピンソン)が建っていました。
 この扶蘇山が悲劇の舞台となります。660年に百済がまさに滅びんとするとき、宮女3000人が辱めを受けるのをおそれて岩頭から河に身を躍らせたというのです。落下する彼女らの衣装がヒラヒラとなびいて、まるで落花のごとくであったので、岩頭に「落花岩」という名がつけられました。
これは朝鮮半島に禍根を
永久に残す事になった大事件である
 
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today's korean is different from ancient korean.Kudara ppl was totally different from silla ppl...today's korean is Silla's lineage.


True ... True ...

I've seen this painting.Here is the story.1,500 years ago,the hill ( at top of Baengmagang River ) was home to the royal palace complex of Baekje kingdom.This royal palace complex was put on a hill because this kingdom was constantly at war and it's capital was constanly attacked.Today,there is a pavillion marks the place where 3,000 court ladies fell to their deaths when the kingdom was overrunned and destroyed by invading Chinese troops.

Thus the place is now called " Rock of the Falling flowers ".
 

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The Yayoi period (弥生時代, Yayoi-jidai?) is an era in the history of Japan from about 500 BC to 300 AD.[1] It is named after the neighbourhood of Tokyo where archaeologists first uncovered artifacts and features from that era. Distinguishing characteristics of the Yayoi period include the appearance of new pottery styles and the start of an intensive rice agriculture in paddy fields. The Yayoi followed the Jōmon period (14,000 BC to 500 BC) and Yayoi culture flourished in a geographic area from southern Kyūshū to northern Honshū.

A new study used the Accelerator Mass Spectrometry method to analyze carbonized remains on pottery and wooden stakes, and discovered that these were dated back to 900 BC–800 BC, nearly 500 years earlier than previously believed.[2]
anyway
it is said 1.5milion ppls came from direction of chinese continental for more than 1000 years. 1500ppl/ year

according to wajjin in Book of Wei, wajin came from valley of Yangtze River
they are living in japan and southern part of Korean peninsula.

魏志倭人伝 - Wikipedia
Book of Wei - Wikipedia

If a lot of people come from Kudara at a simultaneous period, Nara was full of ancient Korean language.
and ancient Japanese language would be Kudara language.

however, A Korean language and Japanese basic vocabulary is quite different.


I think Torai渡来人 ppl was also many wajin included. because language was almost same..
that is way they could talk each other.
(it is written Royal family and general person's of Kudara languages were different. however it became Creole language Creole language - Wikipedia)

after Battle of Baekgang,most refugee was wajin in Kudara
I can also explain the south element that remains in the Japanese culture that doesn't exist in a Korean culture.
There is "Road in the sea" of the island - to -island that passes Okinawa from the Asian south region as a spread route of the culture.

about okinawan language?
it was almost same at that time.
we can read and understand old okinawan documents like okinawan manyoshu.
there was few ppl who came from korean peninsula in okinawa. so was ancient korean culture.
 
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(it is written Royal family and general person's of Kudara languages were different. however it became Creole language Creole language - Wikipedia)

If you are suggesting the possibility of pidginization/creolization between the languages spoken by the Royal family and the general public, isn't it equally possible to hypothesize a pidginization/creolization process between the ancient Korean language and the proto-Japanese language?
 

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you are suggesting the possibility of pidginization/creolization between the languages spoken by the Royal family and the general public, isn't it equally possible to hypothesize a pidginization/creolization process between the ancient Korean language and the proto-Japanese language?


according to manty ancient chinese document. it is written so.
"their language was defferent."
anyway
ancient korean language is unkown in Pronunciation until hangul.

if korean and Japanese was close, there would be more creolization in Japan.
There is only a probability level as which an English basic vocabulary and
Japanese are the same in korean
for example
name =窶督シ窶楼ツ(name)
kill=kill(kiru, ナスa窶堙ゥ)
boy=(boya窶天窶堙「ツ) like that


today's korean is silla Language from northern china lineage..
language at that time in Japan was mixed with Jomon..

There must be the vocabulary that looks like Korean more if many ancient korean ethnic groups came to japan
 

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In recent years, more archaeological and genetic evidence have been found in both eastern China and western Japan to lend credibility to this argument. Between 1996 and 1999, a team led by Satoshi Yamaguchi, a researcher at Japan's National Science Museum, compared Yayoi remains found in Japan's Yamaguchi and Fukuoka prefectures with those from early Han Dynasty (202 BC-8) in China's coastal Jiangsu province, and found many similarities between the skulls and limbs of Yayoi people and the Jiangsu remains.[8] Two Jiangsu skulls showed spots where the front teeth had been pulled, a practice common in Japan in the Yayoi and preceding Jōmon period. The genetic samples from three of the 36 Jiangsu skeletons also matched part of the DNA base arrangements of samples from the Yayoi remains.
Surprisingly, Japanese also display the highest frequency of haplogroup O3a5, which is a Han Chinese and Sino-Tibetan specific O3 branch.
Xue et. al.
Japanese
Haplogroup O3a5 (O3e) 10/47= 23%
This frequency is about 5% higher than the frequency of O3a5 among Manchus, Koreans and other Northeast Asians.
For North Koreans, the frequency of O3a5 is even lower than some Tungusic populations. Overall, the Koreanic haplogroup O3 were the least influenced by Sinitic populations.

Whereas pure haplogroup C3 (M217-no subclade) was observed at a high frequency among Tungusic (20%) and Koreanic (16%) populations. The frequency of haplogroup C3 among Japanese was only 1%. This means Japanese origins were NOT from Siberia.

Haplogroup D was observed among Japanese (25%) and Tibetans (40%). Was also observed among Han Chinese, Mongolians and Koreans.

DNA sequence SNP study done by Japanese researchers in 2005.

Biggest contributor of DNA of each East Asian people is bolded
Korean DNA sequence is made up of:
40.6% Uniquely Korean
21.9% Chinese
1.6% Ainu
17.4% Okinawan
18.5% Unidentified

Japanese DNA sequence is made up of:
4.8% Uniquely Japanese
24.2% Korean
25.8% Chinese
8.1% Ainu
16.1% Okinawan
21% Unidentified

Chinese DNA sequence is made up of:
60.6% Uniquely Chinese
1.5% Japanese
10.6% Korean
1.5% Ainu
10.6% Okinawan
15.2% Unidentified

The biggest components in Japanese are Chinese, Korean, Okinawan.
It's a fact that Korean peninsula was not as isolated as Japanese islands. But, this meant one people could settle on the peninsula, but Japan became an island of migrants. This is maybe why Koreans have the least Japanese and Chinese components, whereas Japanese and Chinese have higher Japanese and Chinese components to their DNA.

Overall, Japanese are closest to Tibetans. And Ainu are divergent from Jomon, as they were influenced by Siberians, just like Koreans. Evidence is the haplogroup C3 (no subclade) occurs at moderately high frequencies among these populations.
 

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40.6% Uniquely Korean
21.9% Chinese
1.6% Ainu
17.4% Okinawan
18.5% Unidentified

Japanese DNA sequence is made up of:
4.8% Uniquely Japanese
24.2% Korean
25.8% Chinese
8.1% Ainu
16.1% Okinawan
21% Unidentified

Chinese DNA sequence is made up of:
60.6% Uniquely Chinese
1.5% Japanese
10.6% Korean
1.5% Ainu
10.6% Okinawan
15.2% Unidentified

Mitochondrial DNA
遺伝子・DNAから日本人を考える
Only it can define son of the female-line
Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia
 

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Actually there is an actual study that goes into detail. I will link later.
 

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different father' s brother?

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In recent years, more archaeological and genetic evidence have been found in both eastern China and western Japan to lend credibility to this argument. Between 1996 and 1999, a team led by Satoshi Yamaguchi, a researcher at Japan's National Science Museum, compared Yayoi remains found in Japan's Yamaguchi and Fukuoka prefectures with those from early Han Dynasty (202 BC-8) in China's coastal Jiangsu province, and found many similarities between the skulls and limbs of Yayoi people and the Jiangsu remains.[8] Two Jiangsu skulls showed spots where the front teeth had been pulled, a practice common in Japan in the Yayoi and preceding Jōmon period. The genetic samples from three of the 36 Jiangsu skeletons also matched part of the DNA base arrangements of samples from the Yayoi remains.
Surprisingly, Japanese also display the highest frequency of haplogroup O3a5, which is a Han Chinese and Sino-Tibetan specific O3 branch.
Xue et. al.
Japanese
Haplogroup O3a5 (O3e) 10/47= 23%
This frequency is about 5% higher than the frequency of O3a5 among Manchus, Koreans and other Northeast Asians.
For North Koreans, the frequency of O3a5 is even lower than some Tungusic populations. Overall, the Koreanic haplogroup O3 were the least influenced by Sinitic populations.

Whereas pure haplogroup C3 (M217-no subclade) was observed at a high frequency among Tungusic (20%) and Koreanic (16%) populations. The frequency of haplogroup C3 among Japanese was only 1%. This means Japanese origins were NOT from Siberia.

Haplogroup D was observed among Japanese (25%) and Tibetans (40%). Was also observed among Han Chinese, Mongolians and Koreans.

DNA sequence SNP study done by Japanese researchers in 2005.

Biggest contributor of DNA of each East Asian people is bolded
Korean DNA sequence is made up of:
40.6% Uniquely Korean
21.9% Chinese
1.6% Ainu
17.4% Okinawan
18.5% Unidentified

Japanese DNA sequence is made up of:
4.8% Uniquely Japanese
24.2% Korean
25.8% Chinese
8.1% Ainu
16.1% Okinawan
21% Unidentified

Chinese DNA sequence is made up of:
60.6% Uniquely Chinese
1.5% Japanese
10.6% Korean
1.5% Ainu
10.6% Okinawan
15.2% Unidentified

The biggest components in Japanese are Chinese, Korean, Okinawan.
It's a fact that Korean peninsula was not as isolated as Japanese islands. But, this meant one people could settle on the peninsula, but Japan became an island of migrants. This is maybe why Koreans have the least Japanese and Chinese components, whereas Japanese and Chinese have higher Japanese and Chinese components to their DNA.

Overall, Japanese are closest to Tibetans. And Ainu are divergent from Jomon, as they were influenced by Siberians, just like Koreans. Evidence is the haplogroup C3 (no subclade) occurs at moderately high frequencies among these populations.

it is very interesting.
every thing is solved....for me


the Japanese by method of Mitochondrial DNA
Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia
the korean and the Japanese are very simillar...( that is,matrilineal. mother lineage)
( Korean is not south korean. I mean korean who is living southern part of south korea like Pusan or kaya)
korean is more similar with ainu than the Japanese

Y Chromosome father lineage(paternal line)

korean and the Japanese are quite different because of D(Yap+)
most okinawan and Ainu have D(Yap+)


Why is it so similar by the method of mitochondria, and is it very different by the method of the chromosome?
only women came to Japan as Yayoi? I dont think so :p
As for the movement in the group, men was more numerous .

How about Latin America?
How about example of the Pacific Ocean islands?
How about India?

After the 16th century, present Latin American nations were conquered by Spain and Portugal. It is chiefly men that came.
As a result, there are a lot of Y chromosomes of the Caucasian lineage in Latin American nations.
However,The Caucasian origin is few by mitochondria method
most of type is native ppl'

so are polynasia, Guam....
Aryan (one race of Caucasian) invaded India from Central Asia 3000 years or more ago, and the upper layer hierarchy was formed for India.
As a result, there are many patrilineal more than the matrilineal...

accoding to descendant Genghis Khan Research
the Y chromosome goes over the cultural barrier by the occupation of the short term of around 100 and does not spread..
The ruler should be in the top in the society until race's uniting for long long time.

Top management in the ancient society of which the Jomon people fused with Yayoi shows that the Jomon was farther more than Yayoi.
In short, the Jomon people conquered the people village of Yayoi where it had emigrated with high probability
Small number of people comparatively people who made the Jomon people an ancestor were in top management in the society, and people of a lot of yayoi were ruled.
The pattern excluding this is impossible.

so is language.
The mark of an ancient Korean language is not seen at all in Japan.
 

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BammBamm&Pebbles....just curious...is there any particular reason why you are so opposed and defensive of the idea that a large portion of Japanese origins came from Korea? I think many Japanese academics have already consented to the idea that a substantial portion of Japanese DNA is traced via Korea. The origin of the Japanese is definitely a mixed bag (southeast Asian islands..all the way up through the Ryukyuan Islands, plus from China and Korea), but nobody is saying it is exclusively from Korea. The thing that makes the Japanese unique is this mix of origins which ultimately became its own "Japanese", just like any other nation or ethnicity. So, why are you on such the defensive? The only reason why Koreans and westerners (ie- the Covells) write such books and bits of information is because the last 200 years Japan has been in deep denial of their mixed heritage (most likely to validate their imperialism in the first half of last century) and it has only been recently that Japanese academics can no longer deny it. Even the Japanese Emperor admitted to the matrilineal line coming from Korea, didn't he? Of course, you will probably say that the Emperor is not an anthropologist, historian, archaeologist, etc. Oh...wait...I just noticed you're a banned member. I wonder why~~ Too bad you won't be reading this.
 
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In recent years, more archaeological and genetic evidence have been found in both eastern China and western Japan to lend credibility to this argument. Between 1996 and 1999, a team led by Satoshi Yamaguchi, a researcher at Japan's National Science Museum, compared Yayoi remains found in Japan's Yamaguchi and Fukuoka prefectures with those from early Han Dynasty (202 BC-8) in China's coastal Jiangsu province, and found many similarities between the skulls and limbs of Yayoi people and the Jiangsu remains.[8] Two Jiangsu skulls showed spots where the front teeth had been pulled, a practice common in Japan in the Yayoi and preceding Jōmon period. The genetic samples from three of the 36 Jiangsu skeletons also matched part of the DNA base arrangements of samples from the Yayoi remains.
Surprisingly, Japanese also display the highest frequency of haplogroup O3a5, which is a Han Chinese and Sino-Tibetan specific O3 branch.
Xue et. al.
Japanese
Haplogroup O3a5 (O3e) 10/47= 23%
This frequency is about 5% higher than the frequency of O3a5 among Manchus, Koreans and other Northeast Asians.
For North Koreans, the frequency of O3a5 is even lower than some Tungusic populations. Overall, the Koreanic haplogroup O3 were the least influenced by Sinitic populations.

Whereas pure haplogroup C3 (M217-no subclade) was observed at a high frequency among Tungusic (20%) and Koreanic (16%) populations. The frequency of haplogroup C3 among Japanese was only 1%. This means Japanese origins were NOT from Siberia.

Haplogroup D was observed among Japanese (25%) and Tibetans (40%). Was also observed among Han Chinese, Mongolians and Koreans.

DNA sequence SNP study done by Japanese researchers in 2005.

Biggest contributor of DNA of each East Asian people is bolded
Korean DNA sequence is made up of:
40.6% Uniquely Korean
21.9% Chinese
1.6% Ainu
17.4% Okinawan
18.5% Unidentified

Japanese DNA sequence is made up of:
4.8% Uniquely Japanese
24.2% Korean
25.8% Chinese
8.1% Ainu
16.1% Okinawan
21% Unidentified

Chinese DNA sequence is made up of:
60.6% Uniquely Chinese
1.5% Japanese
10.6% Korean
1.5% Ainu
10.6% Okinawan
15.2% Unidentified

The biggest components in Japanese are Chinese, Korean, Okinawan.
It's a fact that Korean peninsula was not as isolated as Japanese islands. But, this meant one people could settle on the peninsula, but Japan became an island of migrants. This is maybe why Koreans have the least Japanese and Chinese components, whereas Japanese and Chinese have higher Japanese and Chinese components to their DNA.

Overall, Japanese are closest to Tibetans. And Ainu are divergent from Jomon, as they were influenced by Siberians, just like Koreans. Evidence is the haplogroup C3 (no subclade) occurs at moderately high frequencies among these populations.


Hi, Newd,

This information that you posted interests me quite a lot. Would you happen to know the refernece for it, and since it is as "old" as it is, whether any following refutations or corroborations have been published?

Maybe I could even ask if you, or anyone for that matter, knows of what the other 21 percent of the Japanese DNA is, seeing as how it was published as "unknown."

I have seen this same data elsewhere on the internet, presented in Japanese on Youtube and luckily for people like me who don't speak Japanese, with English subtitles. Unfortunately, there weren't any references. :(

I'll just have to copy and paste some parts of the copied text into Google and see what it generates.

This information is more or less what I am looking for, and these posts are of course a couple years old, so it is no problem if there isn't a response.

Thank you.
 

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Polysny:
This site won't let me post links to the research article (I don't have enough posts, it says), but if you go to Google and then put in the following string of words: "Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes", the first search result will be the full research article on what you're looking for, I believe.
 

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Polysny:
This site won't let me post links to the research article (I don't have enough posts, it says), but if you go to Google and then put in the following string of words: "Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes", the first search result will be the full research article on what you're looking for, I believe.


Thank you very much, Mimizuka, that is nice of you. Yes, the very first result is the PDF file. :)
 

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Guys, let me end this. Jappanese are the result of a small and steady stream of koreans that slowly came to dominate and were completely absorbed by polynesia japan. The end.
 
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