The Japanese for "that engineer is Spanish"

Wonderland · 26 Oct 2004

Could someone tell me if this is correct?

それインジニアはスプイン人です。

I'm not sure if it needs another particle and if so, why?

Many thanks.

Stutz · 26 Oct 2004

I think you need to change the sentence to something more along the lines of "Ano injini...." Can't use Japanese writing on my PC so I hope that came out right. Anyways, if the person talking about is both away from you and the speaker, you have to use are or ano and since you are trying to say "That engineer..." ano is needed. Otherwise it looks find to me. Someone that is fluent might want to check that though.

Wonderland · 26 Oct 2004

Its a bit of a problem for me, I've only just started my course and I haven't learned any way of identifying things other than Sore and Kore. This means that I don't want to go putting in words relating to advanced things like psychological distance that I haven't learned yet because it isn't a fair assessment of my ability otherwise. As an alternative I was going to put

インジニアはスプイン人です。

And have the examiner assume I was pointing at said engineer.

NANGI · 26 Oct 2004

Konnichiwa Wonderland-san!

Could someone tell me if this is correct?
それインジニアはスプイン人です。
I'm not sure if it needs another particle and if so, why?

It is "そのエンジニアはスペイン人です(Sono Enjinia ha Supein-jin desu)" or "エンジニアはスペイン人です(Enjinia ha Supein-jin desu)".

NANGI

Soren · 26 Oct 2004

Wonderland said:
Its a bit of a problem for me, I've only just started my course and I haven't learned any way of identifying things other than Sore and Kore. This means that I don't want to go putting in words relating to advanced things like psychological distance that I haven't learned yet because it isn't a fair assessment of my ability otherwise. As an alternative I was going to put

インジニアはスプイン人です。

And have the examiner assume I was pointing at said engineer.

If you have learnt 'sore' and 'kore', then it is a very easy step forward to learn 'sono' and 'kono'. Basically, both 'kore' and 'kono' mean 'this', while both 'sore' and 'sono' mean 'that' (close to the person being spoken to). The difference is that 'kore' and 'sore' are used alone: 'this', 'that', whereas 'kono' and 'sono' are used before nouns: 'this book', that book. So: これ, but この本: それ, but その本. Does that make sense? It should explain why Nangi used そのエンジニア, in contrast to your original それインジニア.

Elizabeth · 26 Oct 2004

エンジニアのように外来語が入ると日本語本来の言葉が同じくらいそれに置き換わりやすい
ほかの専門職なら、�医者�、�弁護士�、�教師�なども速く消えていくのでしょうね。

bentenmusume · 27 Oct 2004

Elizabeth said:
エンジニアのように外来語が入ると日本語本来の言葉が同じくらいそれに置き換わりやすい
ほかの専門職なら、�医者�、�弁護士�、�教師�なども速く消えていくのでしょうね。

そんな心配はいらないとは思うんですけどねえ・・・

特に最近のＩＴ用語とかを見てると、確かに英語からの外来語が多いのですが、たとえそれがそうだとしても、昔から使われてる、日本人にとってなじみのある言葉が今更完全に「消えて」しまうことはまずないでしょう。例えばＥｌｉｚａｂｅｔｈさんの例を見るみると、「弁護士」という言葉が死語になって、「ロイヤー」という、ほとんど聞かない外来語が一般的に使われるようになるようなことは少し考えにくいと思います。

先進国の言語なら、外来語というものはある程度避けられないものだと思います。日本語も、これから段々外来語が増えてきても、日本語じゃなくなることないでしょう。（これはあくまで、日本語の個人的な意見だけなんですが・・・）

（もし僕の日本語に何か誤まりや変な表現があったら、ネーティブスピーカー（あるいはネーティブに近い方）に直していただけたら幸いです。）

Wonderland · 27 Oct 2004

Erk, what the hell is that lot at the end, I do recognise some of the Kanji though

Anyhows, I'm going to put the Sono one in and explain where it came from to mitigate allogations of plagiarism....

Many thanks, always learning on this forum, s'cool.

Glenn · 27 Oct 2004

The gist of what was said is that Elizabeth asked about the use of エンジニア instead of a native Japanese word, and whether it meant that other specialty occupations would lose their native Japanese words, e.g. "doctor" (医者) and "lawyer" (弁護士). Then jt responded, basically saying that the use of one loan word doesn't mean the extinction of all native Japanese words. ;-)

By the way, there are plenty of Japanese words for "engineer."

Wonderland · 27 Oct 2004

Ah, I see.

I wonder if any of those equate to "big hammer man"

Okii something something

I would use kana more but I've broken my XP cd, I'll have to fix that too.

Again, thanks all.

The Japanese for "that engineer is Spanish"

Wonderland

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Stutz

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Wonderland

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NANGI

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Soren

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Elizabeth

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bentenmusume

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Wonderland

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Glenn

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Wonderland

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