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[sabro]

I'm letting my anger over something way past color my judgement. It seems wrong somehow to let it go when issues seem unresolved.

 

[Glenn]

The actions taken by some of the staff here have seemed a bit absurd to me. But in the situation you mention, it seems that Maciamo moved the posts he didn't like. He didn't delete them.

There were lots of posts deleted, actually, because they were off-topic.

 

[DoctorP]

Actually Glenn they were on topic. When he went back to clean up the thread he change the topic to make it totally absurd for anyone to want to post in the thread. There were at least 3 posts that were on topic that were totally deleted because he just didn't like them.

 

[Mike Cash]

There were lots of posts deleted, actually, because they were off-topic.

Actually, that thread went through about three different incarnations pretty much in the blink of an eye, and I suspect that there are very few of us who happened to be online and paying attention at the time who are familiar with them. I could pm you a short rundown of how it started sliding downhill so quickly, if you like.

 

[Kinsao]

Having wandered away from the forum for too long to have had the doubtful pleasure of seeing this notorious thread, I'm a bit out of it, but...

... in relation to one of Sabro's general points... I think this forum used to be more interesting when there was a 'serious discussion' section... I know there is still 'general discussion' which links to Eupedia and I do indeed post there, but there are still a good number of people who post only on Jref... I think that section was a pretty big loss for the interest of the forum. I know there is the 'chit chat' section and people do sometimes post 'serious' or more heavy topics in there, but my impression is that people hold back more from doing that because of the feeling that 'chit chat' is more for trivia, and their thread might get quickly swamped. Even if the name of the 'chit chat' section was changed (which was talked about at one time ^^), I think the sheer volume of posts there is rather more discouraging to starting 'serious' topics... I know this forum is primarily about Japan, not for discussing the meaning of life or what we're having for dinner, but often in the course of discussions members want to get to know each other a bit better, and enjoy having a 'conversation' much as you might have in real life... so having a section like that makes for better relations and atmosphere on the forum in general.

 

[sabro]

Eupedia????

Eupedia is not JREF.

After the split I tried my best to increase volume over there, but I didn't realize that my opinions and perspective were unwanted by Maciamo, and I couldn't guess the depths he would descend to over there to rid his fora of me. (He could have just asked)

Not all of the JREF members are welcome on JREF and the rules over there are quite different. Maciamo has made it quite clear that although that is where both the American and Religion/Philosophy sections now reside that he does not want people with either American, especially the politically conservative or Evangelical or Muslim perspectives in his playground. The treatment I recieved in Eupedia, and the overtly harassing, threatening, and scary PM's and e-mails my then 13 year old son were subjected to from an adult member (and Maciamo good buddy) with Maciamo's full knowlege and consent were absolutely unacceptable. Threatening, mocking, harassing, and intimidating children should not be taken lightly. I have asked that our data be deleted from that realm, to no avail. I have asked that our user names be changed, but again to no effect. The harassment has to the greater extent stopped, but we have recieved e-mails from this individual as late as August of this year. ...and perhaps this is why I am still so angry.

Eupedia is a place for narrow discussions by those that fit in a narrow range of perspective. As that it is fine, but it will never have the diversity of community that JREF has.

It would be nice to have certain serious discussions returned to this arena. I know some people objected and that is fair. BUT Maciamo is incapable of moderating any discussion relevant to religion, and has admitted such and American topics don't belong any more in European fora than they do in Japanese discussions. If American issues are to be discussed however, I would rather have it done here.

 

[DoctorP]

It must be sad to run a forum that only 5 people regularly visit! But I guess that says something doesn't it?

 

[Elizabeth]

It seems wrong somehow to let it go when issues seem unresolved.

I don't think you ever want to live in Japan, sabro. ☝

 

[Kinsao]

Eupedia is not JREF.

Yes yes, and that's why I think that a 'serious discussion' section of some sort should be re-instated within Jref. Just so that the people here can enjoy more interesting conversations.

Perhaps this could be moderated by another mod, rather than Maciamo. I mean, I know he part-owns the forum, with Thomas, but surely someone else could moderate just one section? :? I'm sure he's not especially anxious to be landed with extra work...

I also have to say that (although Eupedia is not Jref so in a sense my view doesn't have a place here >_<), I continue to post on Eupedia, in spite of my slant as a 'religious', I don't feel that I'm discriminated against in any way there... ☝ There are of course issues where I don't necessarily agree with Maciamo, but I've never been threatened with banning or anything like that. ☝

 

[Glenn]

Actually Glenn they were on topic. When he went back to clean up the thread he change the topic to make it totally absurd for anyone to want to post in the thread. There were at least 3 posts that were on topic that were totally deleted because he just didn't like them.

Sorry. They were "off topic."

Actually, that thread went through about three different incarnations pretty much in the blink of an eye, and I suspect that there are very few of us who happened to be online and paying attention at the time who are familiar with them. I could pm you a short rundown of how it started sliding downhill so quickly, if you like.

I saw what happened. I read all of the posts, including the deleted ones and the ones that were moved to the split thread. I also suspect that not many people know exactly what happened. I wasn't made aware of the new posting rule that was added after 6-8 posts (I believe) were deleted until someone mentioned it, but I was using that as my definition of "off topic" for that thread.

However, although I saw all of the posts, I'm not certain of the chronology of the whole situation. My point in mentioning what I did was to say that there were posts deleted, not just posts moved to another thread.

 

[Mike Cash]

Yes yes, and that's why I think that a 'serious discussion' section of some sort should be re-instated within Jref. Just so that the people here can enjoy more interesting conversations.

You certainly have a good point. But I believe it isn't so much the lack of a proper forum category in which to post serious discussions which has turned JREF from once lively and interesting into its current bland and lacklustre self as it is the desire of everyone to not be the one to spark another round of the sort of immoderate moderating such as we have all become so tired of going through every few months. We've all become like the puppy which has been swatted with a newspaper too much, and JREF is the worse for it.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

You certainly have a good point. But I believe it isn't so much the lack of a proper forum category in which to post serious discussions which has turned JREF from once lively and interesting into its current bland and lacklustre self as it is the desire of everyone to not be the one to spark another round of the sort of immoderate moderating such as we have all become so tired of going through every few months. We've all become like the puppy which has been swatted with a newspaper too much, and JREF is the worse for it.

FOR SURE !! When I see a new "serious" thread posted my tail shakes and I piddle on the floor like a nervous puppy.

Uncle Frank



Ps - I try to stay in chat instead of posting(to keep out of trouble), but still waiting for "chat repair".

 

[ricecake]

Sorry. They were "off topic."

I can vouch it,many posts were off-topic.I participated in those 2 threads,I read most other forumers questioned OP's " motive " on what they perceived as belittle Japanese intelligence.

 

[Elizabeth]

I can vouch it,many posts were off-topic.I participated in those 2 threads,I read most other forumers questioned OP's " motive " on what they perceived as belittle Japanese intelligence.

I say show your contempt through disinterest and disengagement with this particular OP or you're as much a co-conspirator as the primary felon.

If that wasn't the thirty or fortieth blatently instigating, hate-filled, anti-Japanese bigoted discussion Maciamo has put up for "debate" I could possibly see the point in how they responded. He's left before out of apathy with Japan and JREF so anyone who keeps the flame burning bright is in a very real sense knowingly bringing trouble for everyone. I hope this most recent incident has finally brought about a tipping point in awareness and intelligent strategy.

 

[Elizabeth]

Yes yes, and that's why I think that a 'serious discussion' section of some sort should be re-instated within Jref. Just so that the people here can enjoy more interesting conversations.

There's no penalty for initiating or restarting serious discussion within the Chit Chat section from the few serious, opinionated posters that are still among us at JREF.

Anything else should also be referred to Eupedia imo (members come here for various reasons that aren't immediately relevant to Japan, why shouldn't it be the same at other forums ???). I for one don't have the conscience to post there even if I weren't banned or personally affected but that isn't a valid enough catalyst to get further off-topic elsewhere and potentially lead to the same problems which precipiated the split in the first place....

 

[Kinsao]

There's no penalty for initiating or restarting serious discussion within the Chit Chat section from the few serious, opinionated posters that are still among us at JREF.

I know that, but I was trying to say that perhaps some people feel put-off from doing that because of the large number of non-serious threads. They might feel their thread would get overlooked, or even seen as not appropriate. (I know this is not the case, I'm just trying to see it through different eyes.)
:jama:

 

[Elizabeth]

I know that, but I was trying to say that perhaps some people feel put-off from doing that because of the large number of non-serious threads.

It would probably get a huge response.

 

[sabro]

These are great ideas. I hope people with sufficient authority to make change are following this discussion.

You guys are great. Thanks Mike, Elizabeth and Kinsao for being rational adults.

 

[Seon-a Kim]

I recently saw that my signature size is a little bit bigger then is stated in the rules...so uhmmm, do I have to change it?

 

[Davey]

I recently saw that my signature size is a little bit bigger then is stated in the rules...so uhmmm, do I have to change it?

Officially yes, but it isn't THAT large... some posters have a signature that is 200-300px height, and that is WAY TO Large...

no worries about yours!

 

[Seon-a Kim]

Okay great thanks ^_^

I all make them this size, so glad I can use them here as well after all.

 

[ricecake]

I say show your contempt through disinterest and disengagement with this particular OP or you're as much a co-conspirator as the primary felon.

Conspiracy theory,quite comical and childish at best.

It's several infactuated forumers obsessively interested and engaged with OP for months to no end in sight.One should practice what one preaches,hardly though.

My previous post stated the fact what transpired,one of my off-topic posts there permanently deleted along with others.

 

[Kinsao]

@ Sabro : wow, no one has ever used my name in the same sentence with "rational adult" before! Thank you!

 

[Davey]

The OP his question has been answered, and to stop people from going off topic about the OP his question I am closing this thread, thanks for the posts.