Signature Infraction
- Thread starter Mike Cash
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- 5 Feb 2005
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He gave you an infraction for something else (check your message for the reason '(ahum)...
This was not about the Signature, but he forgot to check the right box , because the signature is the first box that is always checked, untill you check another box.
This was not about the Signature, but he forgot to check the right box , because the signature is the first box that is always checked, untill you check another box.
- 15 Mar 2002
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Thank you, that certainly sounds plausible. He issued me 7 infractions in 12 minutes, so it is easy to see how someone could make a little slip like that when doing a rush job. I get the impression he was handing out a whole basketful of infractions to others at the same time, so I suppose it would be unreasonable to expect him to be able to devote his full attention to doing them properly.
My favorite infractions were the ones for my posts pointing out how offensive a thread was that was indeed so offensive and inflammatory that it had to be deleted....yet I got to keep the infraction points anyway.
My favorite after those was the infraction I got for commenting on the inconsistent moderation. Actually, I just agreed with another poster that the moderation is inconsistent...and that poster did not get an infraction for commenting on the inconsistent moderation. A beautiful example of proving my (our?) point.
DoctorP
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- 3 Jun 2004
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Funny how life happens! The same person that abused the rep points is the same one abusing this system.
*guilty* 
- 8 Aug 2005
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Where do we see these infractions? do they come in a PM or something? I wasn't even aware of this system until people started complaining about all the warnings they were getting. What, if anything, do these infractions do, other than wag a finger at members?
sabro
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- 23 Apr 2004
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Rocklee... I don't know why I have you hooked in my mind with Maciamo. If I can't remember, it either isn't all that important, or I'm getting senile- so it doesn't matter. I just remember being given infractions and/or having posts deleted that I thought were rather inoccuous. I apologize.
I thought asking Maciamo directly what he wants was perfectly fair, even though I expressed myself in a rather immature manner. I am told that I am merely a guest here and not free to express whatever I want. I should not criticize others or be beligerent. Again I apologize.
I thought asking Maciamo directly what he wants was perfectly fair, even though I expressed myself in a rather immature manner. I am told that I am merely a guest here and not free to express whatever I want. I should not criticize others or be beligerent. Again I apologize.
- 17 Sep 2005
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I will let the Jref staff answer as to the finer points of infractions, but I'll tell you what happens if you get one.
When you receive an infraction, you are noticed via PM from the person issuing said infraction. The infraction shows up in two places:
1) On your user CP page just above the reputation points
2) On your public profile page
It looks a little similar to the old negative reputation except that it receives its own field separate from your actual reputation field on your CP page. Apparently only you and the Jref team members can actually see the infraction appear on your browser.
Apparently there are point values associated with infractions. The infraction that I received for insulting a moderator had 4 points attached to it. However, the significance of the points is never explained.
The infraction comes with an expiration date. Mine was dated to expire in February of next year.
Aside from that, the only difference that I noticed was that I was not allowed to access the thread in which I made the offending post. However, I am not sure if that was directly related to the infraction or if that was a Jref-wide thing.
- 5 Feb 2005
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The thread has been deleted by Thomas.
- 14 Mar 2002
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Not deleted, rather moved to an inner sanctum not publicly accessible.
I am not sure myself, because I have never used the infraction system (just once for test reasons). Also, I have hardly ever used neg rep.
Aaaaaanyhow, ALL infractions have been removed from the database.
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Kinsao
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- 8 May 2005
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Dutch Baka gave me an infraction a while ago as a test to see whether the system was working 
so I know what it looks like! 
In your User CP, just under the bit where it says "New subscribed threads" appears another panel called "Latest infractions received", with details of your infraction, what it was for, when it expires, etc.
so I know what it looks like! In your User CP, just under the bit where it says "New subscribed threads" appears another panel called "Latest infractions received", with details of your infraction, what it was for, when it expires, etc.
- 5 Feb 2005
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Dutch Baka gave me an infraction a while ago as a test to see whether the system was working
Did I really gave you an infraction?
Tsuyoiko
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- 11 Mar 2005
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Thanks so much for that Thomas
DoctorP
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- 3 Jun 2004
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All points were removed, but the infractions are still showing...at least 3 of them anyway.
sabro
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- 23 Apr 2004
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The big question is how to make JREF a better place. We depend on moderators and administrators and their judgement to police this place and keep it free from flaming, crud, and nonsense... and they have done an outstanding job. BUT at the same time, some of the actions have drive off some old and interesting JREF members and our discussions have become all that less interesting and absolutely bland. There has to be a difference between policing behavior and policing opinion.
I am open to suggestions about how to make this a more active, stimulating and interesting forum that is open to a diversity of perspectives. It seems to me that it used to be a far more active and interesting place.
It is clear to me that some of the moderation has been done to discourage the expression of certain points of view, and not to curb behavior that is against the forum rules.
And I may be absolutely wrong, but it seems to me that Maciamo decided that certain points of view should not be welcomed here. The point of asking on that short lived thread of mine was to probe this and find out what his actual agenda is, and directly asking him would be the best way. I hesitate however, because I don't want to become involved in a confrontation that I can't possibly win.
And thanks Thomas.
I am in your debt and at your service.
Domo arigato gozaimasu
I am open to suggestions about how to make this a more active, stimulating and interesting forum that is open to a diversity of perspectives. It seems to me that it used to be a far more active and interesting place.
It is clear to me that some of the moderation has been done to discourage the expression of certain points of view, and not to curb behavior that is against the forum rules.
And I may be absolutely wrong, but it seems to me that Maciamo decided that certain points of view should not be welcomed here. The point of asking on that short lived thread of mine was to probe this and find out what his actual agenda is, and directly asking him would be the best way. I hesitate however, because I don't want to become involved in a confrontation that I can't possibly win.
And thanks Thomas.
I am in your debt and at your service.
Domo arigato gozaimasu
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JimmySeal
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- 5 Mar 2006
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The actions taken by some of the staff here have seemed a bit absurd to me. But in the situation you mention, it seems that Maciamo moved the posts he didn't like. He didn't delete them. (Technically they were off topic if you consider the topic is "examples of Japanese ignorance.") So senseiman complained when he thought his post was deleted and he got an infraction. Why Maciamo responded with an infraction instead of simply pointing out that the post was moved is something only he can explain.
sabro
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- 23 Apr 2004
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Thanks Jimmy.
I didn't mention a particular situation. I am actually still pretty hurt about being banned recently and being told that people like me and evangelical Christians weren't the kind of crowd that he is looking for. I find it difficult to express my pain and anger, it seems anything I express is taken as belligerent. And so I keep to facetiousness and sarcasm.
Maciamo is entitled to his opinions, even strong opinions about religion, about Americans and about the Japanese. And I welcome and encourage him to express his opinions. I only feel that when people disagree with him, using powers unique to his position is wrong and make me rather angry. Such injustice rankles my Japanese/American/Evangelical sense of fairness. When you embark on forming a community and establishing a discussion forum there should be some fairness to encourage a diversity of opinion, and a generous allowance of the type of dissent that makes discussion actually fruitful and interesting. If not, why bother?
I didn't mention a particular situation. I am actually still pretty hurt about being banned recently and being told that people like me and evangelical Christians weren't the kind of crowd that he is looking for. I find it difficult to express my pain and anger, it seems anything I express is taken as belligerent. And so I keep to facetiousness and sarcasm.
Maciamo is entitled to his opinions, even strong opinions about religion, about Americans and about the Japanese. And I welcome and encourage him to express his opinions. I only feel that when people disagree with him, using powers unique to his position is wrong and make me rather angry. Such injustice rankles my Japanese/American/Evangelical sense of fairness. When you embark on forming a community and establishing a discussion forum there should be some fairness to encourage a diversity of opinion, and a generous allowance of the type of dissent that makes discussion actually fruitful and interesting. If not, why bother?
JimmySeal
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- 5 Mar 2006
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My bad. Well you can see which one I was referring to, in any case.
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