should China forgive Japan?
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lexico
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- 22 Dec 2004
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That's quite true, Mycernius, and probably best to move over there. Yet Anakin's raising the question also tells us there are many people who want to talk about it in a fresh, postive view. How nice it is, to know that people care enough to put in the time to put up a whole new thread dedicated to it.
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lexico
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I think I know how you feel, qwertyu, but I also know you mean only sarcasm. It's not all that way, I surely hope not. I remember when I said, only to be 100% objective, and also not to cause too much rash emotions in any party that 'responsibility (=accountability), crime, and sin' are not necessarily identical, someone also responded that they absolutely should be. That gave me some hope that reasoning and debate does not end at what's left on the surface in the last post. Sorry to be so wordy. It shouldn't be that hard to say a simple truth ! 
alexriversan
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- 6 Mar 2005
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personally, i own a phaser gun. i do not have the opinion, if i kill my opponents, this gets a paradise/better world finally.
i try to understand people i do not like, because of what they do- in present age. this seems demanding enough to me.
further, i recognized hate as not social and not productive. except things which support hate, like guns.
i see nothing wrong in paintball/virtual killing (arcade coin up).
i see parents who are against it as very "shine-holy", even "covered hostility".
i try to understand people i do not like, because of what they do- in present age. this seems demanding enough to me.
further, i recognized hate as not social and not productive. except things which support hate, like guns.
i see nothing wrong in paintball/virtual killing (arcade coin up).
i see parents who are against it as very "shine-holy", even "covered hostility".
lexico
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- 22 Dec 2004
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Since I said 'fresh view'...
and it appears that we might need some really fresh ideas for the discussion to take a positive turn and become productive, I'd like to share a book I picked up recently, by Komiro Yoichi ﾂ渉ｬﾂ森窶配ﾋ?ｪ Postcolonial (Japanese title ?) Iwanami Shoten Publishers, Tokyo ﾅ?ﾃ｢窶挌ﾂ鞘?倪?弭 2001 ISBN 89-87519-70-8- 04300.
Unfortunately it's not in English but in Korean. I hope there are English and Chinese translations in addition to the Japanese original. Since I've only begun to read the book, let me just relay part of the author's preface. I hope we can discuss some of the ideas in it if you can find a copy in your area. It's only 164 pages.
POSTCOLONIAL-Colonial unconcsiousness and colonialist consciousness
"I've written this book as I struggled with nationalism that tries to embelish and rationalize the wars of aggression and colonial rule carried out under the leadership of the great military commander Tenno. As a result the historical events touched upon practically coincides with those found in the junior high school text books. During my research I have arrived at the conclusion that it is most imperative to transform our perceptions of these most widely known historical events.
My area of specialty is modern Japanese literature. The current work Postcolonial is my first work in historical studies. The two pillars of my work are as follows.
1. colonial unconsciousness, i.e. self colonialzation derived from Euro-American hegemonism
2. an excess of Colonialist consciousness applied to the Asian region
If my perception of the structure of the Japanese Modern identity 窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ耽窶ｹﾃ溪?佚｣窶廬ﾅｽﾂｩ窶ｰﾃ､ﾂ構窶伉｢ in modern Japanese literature is a correct one reflecting said two phenomenona after critical analysis, then this study may also be considered a literary one."--Komori Yoichi, Tokyo University Prof.
One review:
"As one of the leading intellectuals of Japan, Komori looks squarely at the current situation in which the citizens of of Japan's former colonies cannot view Japan's past as a thing of the past, and tries to unravel the cause not from the outside but from within Japan itself....In that sense this study is essentially a self-analysis of a former colonial state by its modern descendant."--Bak Yuha, Sejong University Prof.
Topics include:
Part I: Colonial Unconsciousness around the Time of Opening of Ports
Continent, Peninsula, Archipelago / 'Civilizing' and Colonial Unconsciousness / Formulating the 'Datsuaron' (Shedding Asia)-type Colonialism
Part II: Opposition Narrative to Colonial Unconsciousness
Turns Great and Small / Russo-Japanese War and Colonialism / Colonization of Choson and Mon 窶禿･ / Colonialism and Romanticism
and it appears that we might need some really fresh ideas for the discussion to take a positive turn and become productive, I'd like to share a book I picked up recently, by Komiro Yoichi ﾂ渉ｬﾂ森窶配ﾋ?ｪ Postcolonial (Japanese title ?) Iwanami Shoten Publishers, Tokyo ﾅ?ﾃ｢窶挌ﾂ鞘?倪?弭 2001 ISBN 89-87519-70-8- 04300.
Unfortunately it's not in English but in Korean. I hope there are English and Chinese translations in addition to the Japanese original. Since I've only begun to read the book, let me just relay part of the author's preface. I hope we can discuss some of the ideas in it if you can find a copy in your area. It's only 164 pages.
POSTCOLONIAL-Colonial unconcsiousness and colonialist consciousness
"I've written this book as I struggled with nationalism that tries to embelish and rationalize the wars of aggression and colonial rule carried out under the leadership of the great military commander Tenno. As a result the historical events touched upon practically coincides with those found in the junior high school text books. During my research I have arrived at the conclusion that it is most imperative to transform our perceptions of these most widely known historical events.
My area of specialty is modern Japanese literature. The current work Postcolonial is my first work in historical studies. The two pillars of my work are as follows.
1. colonial unconsciousness, i.e. self colonialzation derived from Euro-American hegemonism
2. an excess of Colonialist consciousness applied to the Asian region
If my perception of the structure of the Japanese Modern identity 窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ耽窶ｹﾃ溪?佚｣窶廬ﾅｽﾂｩ窶ｰﾃ､ﾂ構窶伉｢ in modern Japanese literature is a correct one reflecting said two phenomenona after critical analysis, then this study may also be considered a literary one."--Komori Yoichi, Tokyo University Prof.
One review:
"As one of the leading intellectuals of Japan, Komori looks squarely at the current situation in which the citizens of of Japan's former colonies cannot view Japan's past as a thing of the past, and tries to unravel the cause not from the outside but from within Japan itself....In that sense this study is essentially a self-analysis of a former colonial state by its modern descendant."--Bak Yuha, Sejong University Prof.
Topics include:
Part I: Colonial Unconsciousness around the Time of Opening of Ports
Continent, Peninsula, Archipelago / 'Civilizing' and Colonial Unconsciousness / Formulating the 'Datsuaron' (Shedding Asia)-type Colonialism
Part II: Opposition Narrative to Colonial Unconsciousness
Turns Great and Small / Russo-Japanese War and Colonialism / Colonization of Choson and Mon 窶禿･ / Colonialism and Romanticism
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qwertyu
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- 5 May 2005
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Sarcasm? I thought it was mostly an accurate, pithy summary. 
Frankly, I'm not at all sure of the effects of discourse here. It seems "criticism" is perceived as hate", emotions reign while reason is exiled, and the gulf is too painful and wide to bridge. I've got to salute Maciamo and others for their indefatigability!
Frankly, I'm not at all sure of the effects of discourse here. It seems "criticism" is perceived as hate", emotions reign while reason is exiled, and the gulf is too painful and wide to bridge. I've got to salute Maciamo and others for their indefatigability!
sabro
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- 23 Apr 2004
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Forgiveness is a great thing. Everyone should be forgiven. (Especially those who bore no direct responsibility for actions which occurred before they were born.)
But should we not also be accountable? Responsible? Sensible? Sensitive? People (speaking only for me and thousands who are not satisfied with what Japan has already done) want to see something from the Japanese- an act of contrition- some measure of regret- a heart felt apology- redress. compensation... that indicates actual remorse over the country's actions from sixty or more years ago. I don't know if this will ever happen or that it can truly happen.
But should we not also be accountable? Responsible? Sensible? Sensitive? People (speaking only for me and thousands who are not satisfied with what Japan has already done) want to see something from the Japanese- an act of contrition- some measure of regret- a heart felt apology- redress. compensation... that indicates actual remorse over the country's actions from sixty or more years ago. I don't know if this will ever happen or that it can truly happen.
