Racism in Japan

[jeisan]

dream time its pointless, chinaman is like a brick wall it doesnt matter what you say to him, he has already formed his opinion and wont change it. you could even tell him you are married to a chinese girl, but in his mind you will still have a j-girl fetish. logic and common sense have no power over him.

 

[Dream Time]

I just thought it would be interesting to have girlfriend of different races,to taste the common differences.
you may say not all girls of one race are same,thats true,
but there are still common differences,
for example,Asian girls are usually more feminine than Western girls.

if you have been living in Vancouver,
you will realize many Chinese girls here,especially the HK girls,they like to hangout with guys that likes to pretend to be gangs,and those girls are very immature and follow trends,
I certainly do not want to have a girlfriend like this and I don't even want to make friends with them.

some Chinese girls I became friends with,
or the ones that I loved and became my girlfriend,
they don't belong to the group of girls that I've mentioned above,I am just lucky to have some Chinese nice girls to be my friends

and remember I am not a very 'mainstream' person,
I don't follow trends (I think,to have fetish on J-girls is quite a trend)
I don't care what people think about me

and I wonder why he uses the name Chinaman
Chinaman is an offensive term toward towards Chinese people

 

[jeisan]

dream time, i totally understand im the same way, it doesnt matter what race/nationality the girl is. if i like her then i like her if i dont, i dont, simple as that.

kiwano: im not proud of my country over myself. im often ashamed of what america does. thats not to say i dont like my country, it just doesnt make the right choices sometimes. so i try to make myself be seen as an induvidual, not just an american.

 

[Dream Time]

Originally posted by Kiwano
Let me ask you all a question, how many of you are proud over your nationality rather than who you are?

I am proud to be Chinese,
but I am also proud of myself,
I am proud of my country's archievements
but I hate the Chinese Communist government,
they let people starve,no/poor educations,get sick,they also suppress people's freedoms...

 

[Helen]

Originally posted by Dream Time

I like Japanese girls because they are more likely to appreciate music and know what I am talking about when I talk about music.
how many Chinese girls likes rock,jazz,blues music?
there are more Japanese girls who likes those music and even plays the instruments.

well you are simply stereotyping...

Am certainly not taking sides here but Dream Time you say that ChinaMan is stereotyping you when you yourself are just as guilty for stereotyping.

You say you like japanese girls because of x, y, z. But I guess what you really mean is you like certain girls because of x, y, z. Once you put a nationality into an equation, it can easily look like you do have a fetish. So why bring a nationality into the equation if it doesn't matter to you?

Plus, who says Chinese gals don't like rock,jazz,blues music?! How much of a stereotype is that?! Your posts have mentioned HK born Chinese (or HKBC) girls, but you have neglected to mention anything about Tawainese, Canadian or even British born Chinese girls!

There are many more cultured Chinese people out there than you think.

 

[Dream Time]

Originally posted by Helen
Am certainly not taking sides here but Dream Time you say that ChinaMan is stereotyping you when you yourself are just as guilty for stereotyping.

You say you like japanese girls because of x, y, z. But I guess what you really mean is you like certain girls because of x, y, z. Once you put a nationality into an equation, it can easily look like you do have a fetish. So why bring a nationality into the equation if it doesn't matter to you?

Plus, who says Chinese gals don't like rock,jazz,blues music?! How much of a stereotype is that?! Your posts have mentioned HK born Chinese (or HKBC) girls, but you have neglected to mention anything about Tawainese, Canadian or even British born Chinese girls!

There are many more cultured Chinese people out there than you think.

nope,I didn't say none of the Chinese girls likes rock,jazz,blues music,but there aren't many,especially HK girls,if you know things about the HK music scene,you will probably get what I mean. there maybe more in the China mainland because the music scene in mainland is developing.

I said I might want to try having a Japanese girlfriend because I want to taste the difference~

I won't count Chinese girls born in Western countries,most of them are too different from Chinese girls born in HK,Taiwan,China mainland,ect,
plus, if they don't speak Chinese,then I don't even consider them as Chinese,especially for those who refuses to learn Chinese or they say they are not Chinese,I won't make friends with these 'Chinese'.

 

[froggie]

I wasn't going to post here, but after reading all of these posts, I felt the "need " to add a comment. "IF" I put any stock into what others think is "right" then there would be no place on this planet that I would truly belong. See I heard my grandmother and my father arguing when I was about 8-9 years old about why she wouldn't babysit us kids, and she told him well I told you not to marry that J-p. Now at 8 that didn't mean squat to me and of course you never tell your elders you were listening in on their conversations. But as I got older and was called a J-p a few times, I had to ask my parents just exactly what I did to deserve the "label". And guess what ...all I had to do was be born because my mother is full-blooded Japanese. It didn't matter that I am also Greman and American Indian; it only mattered that I had Japanese blood in me. That being the case I have no tolerance for racism, prejudice, bigotry ........heck I even got after my son the first time I heard him call someone fat...I instead believe that we, as people have the ability not to hold others responsible for what their ancestors may or may not have done. I personally have never started a war, sacked a village, murdered another human, or committed any other heinous crime, so why exactly should I be made to pay for someone else. I truly believe that it is possible to look at someone else and see a person. I think, and this is just my opinion that this world is quite big enough for us all to live in quite peacefully if instead of looking at the people you meet and thinking "I wonder what nationality they are ", you look at them and think "I wonder if we have anything in common".....

 

[Atmos_Fear]

if they don't speak Chinese,then I don't even consider them as Chinese,especially for those who refuses to learn Chinese or they say they are not Chinese,I won't make friends with these 'Chinese'.

Are you serious about this. ??? First i want to know coz i don't wonna make any offence replys to a person who don't deserve it


btw great thread. All i realize from it was that there is a huge problem between J and C and asian people

 

[Dream Time]

Originally posted by Atmos_Fear
Are you serious about this. ??? First i want to know coz i don't wonna make any offence replys to a person who don't deserve it


btw great thread. All i realize from it was that there is a huge problem between J and C and asian people

yes I am serious about that,if they are willing to learn Chinese and clearly knows they are Chinese,then I may make friends with them.

but if they don't speak Chinese,not willing to learn it,or says they are not Chinese,I am 100% won't make friends with them,
I really dislike those people who gives up their dignity,forgetting who they are and trying to be someone else.

there was a guy I saw on another message board,born in Canada but moved back to HK,he speaks Chinese,but he then said 'I am not Chinese,I have Canadian passport and British BNO passport,I am Canadian or you can call me a Hong Kong guy,just don't call me a Chinese,I am not'
and then he went on to say some very disrespectful stuffs towards to the mainland Chinese,said they are dirty,rude and other things,
and then someone posted a petition to ask Japan to apologize because recently some Chinese workers accidentally discovered some mustard bombs that the Japanese army left in China during WW2,
the bombs exploded and it hurted and killed like 50 people
and this guy said 'I am not gonna sign it,the Chinese was careless'
he really made me angry

 

[Dream Time]

Originally posted by Atmos_Fear
All i realize from it was that there is a huge problem between J and C and asian people

yes,in fact,the tension between China and Japan has rised due to the recent incident,
millions of Chinese people have signed the petition to ask Japan to apologize,and to do everything and pay all money to solve the problem.
the tension has been there since the day Japan invaded China.

 

[Helen]

Originally posted by Dream Time
nope,I didn't say none of the Chinese girls likes rock,jazz,blues music,but there aren't many,especially HK girls,if you know things about the HK music scene,you will probably get what I mean.

Yep, can't disagree with you re: the HK 'entertainement' industry, it's hardly about talent. More about who your parents are, how affluent your background is, who your sugar daddy is, blah blah.

I said I might want to try having a Japanese girlfriend because I want to taste the difference~

Hmm, bit too much info...

.....plus, if they don't speak Chinese,then I don't even consider them as Chinese,especially for those who refuses to learn Chinese or they say they are not Chinese,I won't make friends with these 'Chinese'.

Not everyone's circumstances are the same. I agree that people who deny their nationality or roots as tragic, but Chinese people who don't speak 'their own language' shouldn't be considered as being less Chinese. Not everyone has the privilige of learning Chinese by speaking it at home. I know friends and family who have had English drummed into them and only spoken English at home with their families. Does this make them non-Chinese? What if wanted to speak Chinese or 'be' more Chinese but didn't have the choice?

My point is that you need to something beyond what you think sometimes. For example, is a girl more likely to understand you and the music you like, purely because she is Japanese? Is someone less Chinese than yourself purely because they can't speak much Chinese?

(These are unanswerable questions, and may not have right or wrong answers - they are just a penny for your thoughts.)

 

[Dream Time]

Originally posted by Helen
Not everyone's circumstances are the same. I agree that people who deny their nationality or roots as tragic, but Chinese people who don't speak 'their own language' shouldn't be considered as being less Chinese. Not everyone has the privilige of learning Chinese by speaking it at home. I know friends and family who have had English drummed into them and only spoken English at home with their families. Does this make them non-Chinese? What if wanted to speak Chinese or 'be' more Chinese but didn't have the choice?

if their parents don't speak Chinese,then I won't blame them for not understanding Chinese,but if they want to learn Chinese there are all kinds of sources,I think it is a matter of 'do you want to learn or not'.
but if they go as far as denying their root,I will not make friends with them.
if their parents speaks Chinese but they don't want their kids to learn Chinese,because they think making their kids become more Western equals to make them become 'higher class',I would feel they are degrading the race of Chinese.

Originally posted by Helen
Is someone less Chinese than yourself purely because they can't speak much Chinese?

I will answer,yes,understanding the language is a very important step to understand the culture.

although I grew up in North America,being influenced by Western culture,but I think about the 'roots' thing in a traditional Chinese way. I am a Chinese man.
having Chinese blood and not understanding Chinese language and culture,is unacceptable for me.


in the future when I have kids,
no matter if my wife is Chinese,Japanese,Korean,White,whatever,
as long as the kids have Chinese blood in them,
I will make them learn Chinese language and the culture

 

[Atmos_Fear]

ok ok i really think that you miss the point here mate. First of all who are you to tell others what to belive learn and etc.. The most important think is that people are what they want to be. The freedom of choice. If i'm a half chineese and a half italian and i live in Italy then it'll be very hard for me to learn chineese. But that don't make me a low level human right ?? Maybe i'm more italian and less chineese.

I really dislike those people who gives up their dignity,forgetting who they are and trying to be someone else.

I really agree whit that.

 

[Dream Time]

Originally posted by Atmos_Fear
ok ok i really think that you miss the point here mate. First of all who are you to tell others what to belive learn and etc.. The most important think is that people are what they want to be. The freedom of choice. If i'm a half chineese and a half italian and i live in Italy then it'll be very hard for me to learn chineese. But that don't make me a low level human right ?? Maybe i'm more italian and less chineese.

I won't tell them what to learn and what to believe.

but it is unacceptable for me for a Chinese not able to speak Chinese.
I won't say they are 'low level human' or whatever,
but I just really don't like it.
if their parents,or one of their parents speak Chinese,
but they don't teach their kids Chinese,
I really feel it is something wrong.


for the 'roots' thing, I think about it in the traditional Chinese way,
you might say I am stubborn,
but the thing is that I care about roots,I really do

 

[Dream Time]

I am not trying to offense anyone here,
but honestly,
I am sick of those 'Chinese' guys who does not speak Chinese and says 'I am from the West'.
(I mean those people with 100% Chinese blood)

it might be little hard to understand why I think this way,if you are not Asian.
the majority of Asian people really care about roots,they would teach their language and culture to their kids and grandchildrens even if they live in a foreign land.

I have many Asian friends,who,like me,came to North America at young age and grew up here,but we all speak fluent in our mother languages.
also I have another friend who is a hybrid of Japanese and Chinese and came here when she was five,she speaks both Chinese and Japanese fluently

 

[Atmos_Fear]

I am not trying to offense anyone here,
but honestly,
I am sick of those 'Chinese' guys who does not speak Chinese and says 'I am from the West'.
(I mean those people with 100% Chinese blood)

I think you got a point here. Now i understand you and i thinks you are right. But this is only one side of the problem. Remember people choose what to be and become,but then again that don't give them the right to pretend to be something they are not. I to don't like this kind of people but i can live whit them. They are just bunch of losers but this is another topic

cya dream time

 

[**To-Heart**]

hello...my 2nd post.

I am not trying to offense anyone here, but honestly,
I am sick of those 'Chinese' guys who does not speak Chinese and says 'I am from the West'.
(I mean those people with 100% Chinese blood)

i do not speak, i was born in Australia like both my parents and my grandparents. However, i have only Chinese blood. I call myself Australian born Chinese. Are you offended by that?

my parents know chinese but only use it to speak to my grandparents, who speak fluent english anyway. That is why we dont speak it at home. I do not deny i have chinese roots, i still celebrate chinese new year, ching ming etc but overall i consider myself more australian (western) than chinese. And that is not only my choice, but how i feel. If i went out and said 'i'm chinese through and through ' to everyone, i would be lying.

Today's world is multicultural. It's just something to accept. One of my mum's favourite stories is how when she was growing up in the 1960's, she was one of only three asian girls at her school. The other two were her sisters. In my senior year at least 50% of ppl were chinese (went to a selective school).

Basically what i am saying is that alot of ppl cannot choose who they are, they are born to it.

oh and with one fifth of the world population i don't think you should worry about the chinese culture dying out

 

[wan pak hin]

hmm....

it seems to me whilst being on holiday much much posts have been posted on this topic! and well... i am british chinese and MY SISTER CANNOT SPEAK CANTONESE!!!! my sister does not want to learn chinese! she understands the basics since my parents always speak it in house etc.. and even when they go out i am sure they still speak chinese like they used to when i was their with them!, and actually it is pretty annoying when i was in england my sister cannot speak good chinese! and she doesnt like speaking it either!, soo.. everytime her stupid freinds came round, i used to be happily listening to my chinese music! and some english people are stereotypes hmm.. i think they are called "rudies" or something like that maybe an english person can verify that??, all i used to get was "you do not understand what they are speaking you cannot speak chinese etc..." soo.. although this is off the topic! i understand what dreamtime is saying about he may not make freinds with chinese people who cannot speak chinese! all people i know like that e.g my sister have brung me nothing but annoyence! and ahh... my sister is trend follower aswell!! she listens to chinese music regardless of how much she can understand as far as i know! and she follows what music her freinds listen to!, well.. i feel a right to say this about my sister so i will "i think she is a complete utter ****!" and actually my mother and father do aswell i think! my mother calls her funny names in chinese! and my father doesnt really care about her on the outside!, so.. from all my expirences i can say that..... it is benifical how ever much chinese you are!, quarter, half, full!! it is always good to learn about your roots so to speak! and at least try learning the language! i mean you dont have to take it to my extreme and enter chinese wiriting competitons etc.. but at least learn the basics so you can speak at maybe level where you can order chinese food in a chinese restraunt in chinese language instead of ordering food in english or something! but please before you all bite my head off for saying this remember this is MY OPINON!! and if any of yours is different or you disagree with what i have said just tell me what you think about my opinon so i can think long and hard about wheather or not i should change my thinking ways about this matter!

 

[Dream Time]

for Chinese who can't speak Chinese,or they want to be 'someone else',not admitting they are Chinese..

well,I dislike them,
but I am not going like..if I see those kinds of people on street,I am not going to tell them 'You are Chinese!! you should speak Chinese!!'

I just won't make friends with them,
I won't do things to interupt them,it is their choice,
but I just really don't like this kind of people.
I won't do anything to them,as long as they don't say or do anything disrespectful to the Chinese race,like saying 'Chinese peopl are pigs' or whatever,
if they do that,I think I will let them taste some Kung Fu.

 

[wan pak hin]

hmm... dream time i understand fully what you are saying! and indeed we show them our kung fu, and other types or martial arts i guess!, well.. i just want to clarify that my sister definetly does not disrespect chinese race in anyway!, if she did that not only will all her chinese freinds not like her! but.... my mother and father would go pschyo at her! and disown her etc.. if they found out she disrespect chinese culture etc.. in anyway dreamtime!, soo.. do not worry before you could shout at my sister, me and my family would shout at her first ok!

 

[Gaki]

I think alot of Chinese guys who like Japanese girls because of <insert reason> are idiots.

 

[jeisan]

so every chinese guy who likes a japanese girl is an idiot? i think thats a bit harsh.

 

[kirei_na_me]

Well, maybe he was trying to say that anyone that makes generalizations about any certain nationality can be seen as an idiot?

I certainly think that can be true...

 

[wan pak hin]

gaki what is your slight problem?? not all chinese guys who have japanese girlfreinds are like that!!, take for example ME!! me and my girlfreind have a reason for being with each other and that simply is WE BOTH LOVE EACH OTHER!!, i mean i met her at the college i went to in london! and me and her started getting to know each other and found that we have alot in common! and from their our relationship grew! soo.. NOT ALL chinese guys are like that gaki ok!, but then again if that is a "reason" which it is! then i am guilty and i am a idiot!, but.. i would argue against that as i am quite smart!, and could probably out smarts people like you gaki!, although i am not trying to argue i am just trying to point out not all chinese guys have a specific reason for liking japanese girls!, hmm... kirei na-me is married to a japanese person, and she has probably the same reason as why i like my girlfreind who is japanese! and that is simply "I LOVE KAORI!!" and i am sure kirei na-me definetly loves her husband!, and you could also say gaki "i think japanese guys who love white women for <insert reason> are idiots!" here me and kaori see many japanese men with women from different cultures!, but still you criticise maybe me and maybe dreamtime and other chinese guys on this forum i guess!, well.. sorry for argueing a little it is not nice to argue but i am simply trying to make a point ok!

 

[jeisan]

Originally posted by kirei_na_me
Well, maybe he was trying to say that anyone that makes generalizations about any certain nationality can be seen as an idiot?

I certainly think that can be true...

...maybe. i cant really tell from the statement as it sits. but i do agree with what you said.