Quick way to study and learn kanji

[nice gaijin]

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When you learn another language, you often know more about it than the natural speakers do, maybe not as complete as vocabulary, but you do know how to play with it more.

Please cite a reputable source for this nonsense. If you could cite a legitimate authority on linguistics that makes this assertion, I'd be amazed.

Dishate is not a word, whether you think it's logical or not. If someone else would like to correct that I'd like to hear it. That's the last I'm going to talk about the English language in this thread.

You seem to be eager to argue any fact I present, and ignore anything that has anything to do with the original thread topic, which is why your threads go off-topic so quickly. Do you have anything else to actually say about kanji? If not, you can enjoy making up words and talking to yourself.

 

[kohlrak]

Please cite a reputable source for this nonsense. If you could cite a legitimate authority on linguistics that makes this assertion, I'd be amazed.

Do you consider people who learned the english language as reputable resources? A friend of mine from Germany confirmed it. I know a few immigrants (one being a techer from russia i guess) who come up with more puns in a shorter amount of time than any native speaker i've ever met. And, it is more than just one person. As for the teacher, not many like him, simply for the fact that every other sentance that he says is a pun. I've never met a man more capable than creating puns in my life. You get into one of these discussions with him, i'd probably be able to come up with more examples than "dishate" as for he picks on many other things in english, especially the local dialect. "youens" he likes to pick on alot.

Dishate is not a word, whether you think it's logical or not. If someone else would like to correct that I'd like to hear it. That's the last I'm going to talk about the English language in this thread.

I shall make a quote below, and it shall stand you corrected.

I said it before, and i'll say it again. If you can conjugate a verb to a certain form, and if that form can be used logically, it exists.

You seem to be eager to argue any fact I present, and ignore anything that has anything to do with the original thread topic, which is why your threads go off-topic so quickly.

Give an example. What have i ignored in this thread that was on the original topic of this thread?

Do you have anything else to actually say about kanji?

Not at the moment.

If not, you can enjoy making up words and talking to yourself.

Hi self, how are you doing. Also i hereby declare "umberschnuffle" as a new word. It means "Anyone who trolls against a particular person." And for those who don't know what "troll" is, it means "some one who purpously causes trouble."

 

[godppgo]

Do you consider people who learned the english language as reputable resources? A friend of mine from Germany confirmed it. I know a few immigrants (one being a techer from russia i guess) who come up with more puns in a shorter amount of time than any native speaker i've ever met. And, it is more than just one person. As for the teacher, not many like him, simply for the fact that every other sentance that he says is a pun. I've never met a man more capable than creating puns in my life.

That's being nerdy, not good at English.

 

[kohlrak]

That's being nerdy, not good at English.

A nerd is some one who spends their time for stupid resons or doing nothing but researching things that have no purpose and such. It would only be nerdy if they didn't learn english via a text book.

 

[JimmySeal]

You are foolish to think that the word nerd has one very specific meaning. Puns are generally annoying, and people who use them are generally nerds, and not necessarily skilled at using English.

 

[kohlrak]

You are foolish to think that the word nerd has one very specific meaning. Puns are generally annoying, and people who use them are generally nerds, and not necessarily skilled at using English.

Heeeeeeeeeere we gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, here we goooooooo agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain.

nerd also nurd ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n・d)
n. Slang
A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.
A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.

Puns are annoying? I find them funny, and i rarely make a pun. ANd i don't see why knowing quite a few meanings for english words are considered unskilled. Quite a large list of double meaning words is quite an accomplishment. Though, it would require alot of study, but at the same time, it would be more dominant in a student of the language, simply because accidental double meanings can be an issue.

 

[Namioto]

In what anime is "Suteki" a woman's name?

Any Japanese female I know would die of mortal embarassment if saddled with that as a name.

Now that, is pretty funny.

 

[breez]

Regarding second language learner coming up with 'dishate' and such things, in linguistics it is called overgeneralizing.

 

[yamada]

The last week of August is the time when all students try to finish their homework other than northern prefectures like Hokkaido . If you want to see how they learn kanji, go to a city library. You can see at least 1 writing kanji's on a notebook.

 

[Kinsao]

About learning kanji... I find I can learn them pretty quickly, and my method is similar to Kohlrak's but not quite the same. I have to say I am so far away from experthood that I can't see it with a telescope, so take my 'method' with as much salt as you like. ^^ Using my trusty 'Kodansha Kanji Learners Dictionary' (which I have become inordinately attached to... XD), I just copy the kanji, and put it in various of its compounds, using kanji that I know already. This helps me to remember the pronunciations of all the kanji involved in the compounds! ^^ (For example, it's easy to remember 'yuki' for snow, and if I learn the word 'setsujousha' for 'snowmobile' then I can easily remember the three kanji of 'setsu', 'jou' and 'sha' and their meanings. ^^)

This way, I can usually learn about 4 kanji a day at a reasonably steady rate, assuming I'm studying every day and concentrating. Although sometimes one or more of their readings escapes me the next day and I have to go back and relearn them. Of course, I have to keep revising stuff as well until I'm sure that it's stuck in my brain.

As far as making up words goes... Personally, I love 'invented' words! But you have to be aware that they aren't real words, too! I like invented words because despite the fact that most of them are 'silly' made up stuff, either because someone isn't a native speaker or because they're just having fun, still, it is in ways like this that language does evolve. No, you can't say that that is evolution of the language, but it is in such ways that it happens.

As someone pointed out, the 'gust' of 'disgust' bears a strong resemblance to the French 'gouter' (sorry, this machine won't do accented characters ><) and probably derived from this word (or from a common root, I'm not sure). There are still related words in English, such as 'gustatory'. So I think at one time 'gust' on its own was a word in English, but it fell out of use and only the compound 'disgust' remained.

EDIT: I just realised I invented the word 'experthood'.

 

[yukio_michael]

Can people who barely understand a language themselves please stop making threads trying to teach it to others.

kohlrak, I don't know how many sentences one could make with the word suteki, although I think that most of them would sound a bit awkward and weird.

Furthermore, your friend might be acting kind in the sort of way that Japanese do when you show interest in their language, but no Japanese woman on this planet would choose to be called suteki as either a nickname or otherwise.

Also, I understand the readings of your kanji, but I don't know why you just didn't use 素敵 ...are you making up your own words?

I'll also say this, living in Japan for any amount of time doesn't give one an automatic seniority where the language is concerned. If you would like to concede seniority to Mike on any given topic of language, do so because he does in fact write knowlegably on the subject.

Mike, I've meant to ask, are you the same Mike Cash as writes on sci.lang.japan?