Quick way to study and learn kanji

[kohlrak]

That's rather intresting... How old are they?

 

[nice gaijin]

Early to mid 20's, studying college level English. I'm still curious as to why you would think that someone from Japan would quickly be able to compile a list of English characters.

 

[kohlrak]

When you learn another language, you often know more about it than the natural speakers do, maybe not as complete as vocabulary, but you do know how to play with it more. Things like "dishate" come to mind.

And they must have a different deffinition of characters, to me a character is anything that takes up space at a text level.

84 is the number i came up with on a quick scale with char map, and that dosnt' include all romanization, just english.

 

[Mike Cash]

Let's remember that the original question we chose to gleefully nitpick asked about "writing system"....not "alphabet".

 

[kohlrak]

English is based on roman letters and arabic numerals. When you think about it, it's even more complicated than that and accented letters should be counted because the accents are part of the writing system. Just a random thought... lol

 

[nice gaijin]

English is actually based on the Latin alphabet. If you're considering characters that aren't in common use, English has many more than 84 characters.
But the point of this thread is not the English Language or its writing system, isn't it supposed to be about your method of studying kanji?
As a side note,

When you learn another language, you often know more about it than the natural speakers do, maybe not as complete as vocabulary, but you do know how to play with it more. Things like "dishate" come to mind.

I do not know where to begin with this one. I think I'll just remind you that in Japanese, the writing system (a la kanji) comprises a large amount of the vocabulary. Playing with a language does not make it correct ("dishate" comes to mind), and it certainly does not equate to a better understanding of the language than native speakers.

 

[kohlrak]

But the point of this thread is not the English Language or its writing system, isn't it supposed to be about your method of studying kanji?

Wasn't me who brought it up, anyway.

Playing with a language does not make it correct ("dishate" comes to mind), and it certainly does not equate to a better understanding of the language than native speakers.

It's not practical, but i would understand what the person ment. The only thing wrong with people saying "dishate" is that people usually say "love" instead. You can "dishate" something, so there's really no problem in saying it, except english speakers would have to think a bit first.

 

[JimmySeal]

Native English speakers don't use the word "dishate" because they correctly assume it to not exist, not because their understanding of English is inferior to that of an EFL student.

 

[kohlrak]

dis- is a lagitamate verb prefix. It's part of verb conjugation, that i don't know if it is really taught or not. I'd imagin it wouldn't be due to complication resons. (Disgust comes to mind.) It can be conjugated to that form, and that conjugation can be used logically, therefor it exists.

 

[nice gaijin]

Disgust is a noun. So is "disinformation."

 

[kohlrak]

Disgust is also a verb. "You disgust me!" Disgust is clearly a verb. Then there's discontinue, disconnect... I'm not gonna even try comming up with a complete list.

 

[nice gaijin]

so, since there are words that use a "dis" prefix (which has nothing to do with conjugation), you can make up new words and expect people to understand them or consider them correct? Is this a joke?

 

[kohlrak]

con·ju·gate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (knj-gt)
v. con·ju·gat·ed, con·ju·gat·ing, con·ju·gates
v. tr.
Grammar. To inflect (a verb) in its forms for distinctions such as number, person, voice, mood, and tense.
To join together.

in·flect ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-flkt)
v. in·flect·ed, in·flect·ing, in·flects
v. tr.
To alter (the voice) in tone or pitch; modulate.
Grammar. To alter (a word) by inflection.
To turn from a course or a specified alignment; bend.

in·flec·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-flkshn)
n.
The act of inflecting or the state of being inflected.
Alteration in pitch or tone of the voice.
Grammar.
An alteration of the form of a word by the addition of an affix, as in English dogs from dog, or by changing the form of a base, as in English spoke from speak, that indicates grammatical features such as number, person, mood, or tense.
An affix indicating such a grammatical feature, as the -s in the English third person singular verb form speaks.
The paradigm of a word.
A pattern of forming paradigms, such as noun inflection or verb inflection.
A turning or bending away from a course or position of alignment.

af·fix ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-fks)
tr.v. af·fixed, af·fix·ing, af·fix·es
To secure to something; attach: affix a label to a package.
To impute; attribute: affix blame to him.
To place at the end; append: affix a postscript to a letter.
Grammar. To add as an affix.

n. (fks)
Something that is attached, joined, or added; an appendage or addition.
Linguistics. A word element, such as a prefix or suffix, that can only occur attached to a base, stem, or root

Oh, so discontinue is not a negative conjugated form of continue? Any time you change a verb from it's original state, it is conjugation.

you can make up new words and expect people to understand them or consider them correct?

That's pretty much how it works, but it's a matter of what kind of correctness you are referring to. Culturally, it's incorrect, but gramatically correct.

Is this a joke?

And i was about to ask you if your replies were...

 

[nice gaijin]

so disgust is a negative conjugated form of "gust"?

 

[kohlrak]

likely so. Infact, like i have been arguing in another post, langauges "evolve." It is actually a form of "desgouster." Which is old french. "Gouster" was old french for "to eat" or "to taste." For Gouster to turn into manger, it would go through alot. Actually, the current verb (verb transit to be exact) for "to taste" is "goûter."

 

[nice gaijin]

Infact, like i have been arguing in another post, langauges "evolve." It is actually a form of "desgouster." Which is old french. "Gouster" was old french for "to eat" or "to taste." For Gouster to turn into manger, it would go through alot. Actually, the current verb (verb transit to be exact) for "to taste" is "goûter."

I'm so glad you know/are able to look up the origin of a word, but that's not what I asked. Perhaps I should specify: Is the English word "disgust" a conjugate of the English word "gust?"

 

[kohlrak]

Theoretically you could consider "gust" as a verb in english meaning "to taste." Considering gust as a noun also refers to taste.

gust2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gst)
n.
Archaic. Relish; gusto.
Obsolete.
The sense of taste.
Personal taste or inclination; liking.

But of course the verb meaning was lost.

 

[nice gaijin]

so, what does your dictionary have under "dishate?"

 

[kohlrak]

Nothing, as for it's not commonly used enough to make an entry for.

 

[nice gaijin]

Nothing, as for it's not commonly used enough to make an entry for.

but the archaic form of "gust" is?

It must just be that you're on the cutting edge of linguistics, making it all up as you go along.

Thanks for the laugh, I'm off to bed.

 

[kohlrak]

but the archaic form of "gust" is?

also Archaic Of, relating to, or characteristic of a much earlier, often more primitive period, especially one that develops into a classical stage of civilization: an archaic bronze statuette; Archaic Greece.
No longer current or applicable; antiquated: archaic laws. See Synonyms at old.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of words and language that were once in regular use but are now relatively rare and suggestive of an earlier style or period.

gusto and gouster are both applicable under that deffinition. As for the verb form, as i said, the meaning was likely lost.

It must just be that you're on the cutting edge of linguistics, making it all up as you go along.

And what is being made up?

Thanks for the laugh, I'm off to bed.

I am failing to find the humor. What i find is that you typically try to pass off your opinions of fact, then when it seems like i'm ahead, you come up with "humor" (or something else) where it dosn't belong. It's a typical mental technique. It's called "psyche out."

 

[JimmySeal]

dis- is not a prefix that can be universally applied to all verbs. It can be used in very specific cases. hate is one of the thousands of verbs to which you cannot add the prefix "dis-."

 

[kohlrak]

Oh, then what are the conditions for using it?

 

[nice gaijin]

I still hear "gusto" every now and then, but it's not a verb. For instance, "you troll the boards with gusto." My point was that you claimed "dishate" wasn't in the dictionary was because it's not commonly used. I contend that it is not (and has never been) a real word, which explains why it's neither in the dictionary nor in common use. You think I didn't have the foresight to look these things up? I was trying to see if you were even capable of using a resource other than your own imagination. Your butchering of the English language does not equate to evolution, it means that you sound like a grade-school dropout.

I tried to get this thread back on track in post #31, but if you have nothing to say about your method of studying Kanji (say, in response to post #21), I don't see the point in continuing your tirade about a completely separate language.

 

[kohlrak]

I still hear "gusto" every now and then, but it's not a verb.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, ya think?

My point was that you claimed "dishate" wasn't in the dictionary was because it's not commonly used. I contend that it is not (and has never been) a real word, which explains why it's neither in the dictionary nor in common use.

I said it before, and i'll say it again. If you can conjugate a verb to a certain form, and if that form can be used logically, it exists.

I was trying to see if you were even capable of using a resource other than your own imagination.

It's clear that i can.

Your butchering of the English language does not equate to evolution, it means that you sound like a grade-school dropout.

Of course it isn't evolution of english. But evolution of english is what made it possible to use the term "dishate." you're flying off what the argument was, that people who learn english through a course can play with english better than a native speaker.

I tried to get this thread back on track in post #31, but if you have nothing to say about your method of studying Kanji (say, in response to post #21)

But the point of this thread is not the English Language or its writing system, isn't it supposed to be about your method of studying kanji?

hm... well, if some one wouldn't have started a debate (starting with post 23) the idea would have died rather quickly and the topic would have been back on topic, for it would be likely no one would be posting. I think now would be a good time to point out that most (if not all) of the arguments (pointless ones that is) started in my threads happen to be by you. Only a few people here have a problem with me, you being one of them, i don't see what the point has been in starting most of these debates.

I don't see the point in continuing your tirade about a completely separate language.

Rephrase that.