Plastic...so much plastic...

Putrefaction

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For those of us who work in fields where plastics are involved, do any of you get really sad? A few nights ago it felt as if a hammer hit me in the heart. I work in Pharmacy and a LOT of plastic is involved. I'd say, 90% of it is plastic. Some companies have started shipping in glass bottles, but predominantly plastic. Not only the manufacturer bottle, individual bottles and caps and bags. It makes me so sad when we do such a thing, that it will never decompose and the Earth can do nothing about it. Same with styrofoam and others, really...

I recently read up on recycling, but I'm still unsure if it's solely the recycling bins that get recycled or if the government has set up where trash is collected, then separated. No medical waste is recycled as far as I know, sensitive information is collected in bins where both paper, plastic, metal, glass goes into. Perhaps I'm just a naive college student caught up in the green craze (though it does make perfect sense). I've done my part by asking everyone if they want a bag, but I still feel as if each time I litter the Earth is hit with the same hammer that's hitting me...
 
The Earth isn't hit with a hammer, really. While I believe its in our best interest to preserve the Earth in a shape we may enjoy it, but at the end of the day, it matters so very little. Even if we pollute our world to oblivion, we only prepare the stage for different lifeforms to populate it, or a pause.
 
I can't help but completely disagree with you...it is hit with a hammer. I don't think it matters very little at all, we are more educated about consequences and effects since industrialization...I'm really not this intelligent to make arguments against it.
 
We know about the consequences, but the question here is not whether we know, but whether said consequences are of any importance or relevance.
 
I used to work in the plastics department at a car parts factory. I did get really sad, but not because of the environmental effects; the job just sucked 😊

For those of us who work in fields where plastics are involved, do any of you get really sad? A few nights ago it felt as if a hammer hit me in the heart. I work in Pharmacy and a LOT of plastic is involved. I'd say, 90% of it is plastic. Some companies have started shipping in glass bottles, but predominantly plastic. Not only the manufacturer bottle, individual bottles and caps and bags. It makes me so sad when we do such a thing, that it will never decompose and the Earth can do nothing about it. Same with styrofoam and others, really...
I recently read up on recycling, but I'm still unsure if it's solely the recycling bins that get recycled or if the government has set up where trash is collected, then separated. No medical waste is recycled as far as I know, sensitive information is collected in bins where both paper, plastic, metal, glass goes into. Perhaps I'm just a naive college student caught up in the green craze (though it does make perfect sense). I've done my part by asking everyone if they want a bag, but I still feel as if each time I litter the Earth is hit with the same hammer that's hitting me...

I am not deeply saddened by the pollution that is going on, although I do feel it is a problem that should be fixed. There's nothing wrong with getting caught up in the "green craze." It's good to want to cut down on pollution, waste, and start recycling. If we want to continue living on this planet for a long time we have to take these steps.

An important thing about causes is motivation. It's good you have "done your part," but there really is no such thing. It's a little dangerous to believe this, for you might feel content with any other actions you make, even if they go against your cause, simply because you already "did your part."
 
Current research is making way for bioplastics, plastics that will decompose. They will be a useful application to help protect the environment as well as in the medical field so that implants utilizing plastics in a patient for a temporary amount of time will be degraded by the body rather than left in the body or requiring a need for surgery to remove them. However the sad part is it will be a awhile till we see any change. But I sympathize with you. Many of the plastics deemed recyclable I have discovered many years ago are not in fact recyclable. It seems like such a waste. All the resources for producing the plastics could have went to producing more fuel. Even then still that would not really be a plus.
 
Supermarkets here on on a drive to stop us using disposable carrier bags. They're pretending it's because they care about the environment, but the real reason is that the government has threatened to levy a tax on carrier bags if supermarkets don't prove they are committed to reducing consumption. If it leads to a reduction in carrier bag waste, then of course that's a good thing, whatever their real motivation.

What really bugs me is that the supermarkets are shifting the guilt onto the consumer, making us feel like criminals if we ask for a carrier bag, when the amount of plastic packaging on everything you buy is ridiculous. I buy four-tin packs of baked beans, and six-can packs of pop, which are shrink-wrapped in plastic, when they could easy be in a recycled cardboard sleeve.

I buy large boxes of lager, which are wrapped in plastic. A cardboard box, glued shut, and then wrapped in thick plastic? Crazy! Cucumbers come in their own "condom", which goes straight in the bin before I put the cucumber in the fridge, because the acid in plastic makes fruit and veg rot faster. Likewise for lettuces, cabbages, cauliflower. I don't see any reason why single items like that shouldn't be sold loose.

I took a photo of all the plastic packaging that came off my shopping as I was putting it away. This is just the outer packaging from one week's shopping, not including individual wrapping that stay on after you put the shopping away.

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The Earth isn't hit with a hammer, really. While I believe its in our best interest to preserve the Earth in a shape we may enjoy it, but at the end of the day, it matters so very little. Even if we pollute our world to oblivion, we only prepare the stage for different lifeforms to populate it, or a pause.
I have no idea what you just said???
 
They make you pay for plastic bags in Korean supermarkets.

The money is the least of the issues with the over-use of plastic. After seeing that photo, damn!

Likewise for lettuces, cabbages, cauliflower. I don't see any reason why single items like that shouldn't be sold loose.
Longer shelf-life means less profit loss. They don't put pesticides, instead, plastic.
 
I buy large boxes of lager, which are wrapped in plastic. A cardboard box, glued shut, and then wrapped in thick plastic? Crazy! Cucumbers come in their own "condom", which goes straight in the bin before I put the cucumber in the fridge, because the acid in plastic makes fruit and veg rot faster. Likewise for lettuces, cabbages, cauliflower. I don't see any reason why single items like that shouldn't be sold loose.
I usually buy my veg and fruit loose, which cuts down on the amount of plastic. Also we have a saturday market i my town and there are several fruit and veg stalls. They always put there produce into brown paper bags.
Which lager do you buy? I shop at sainburys and when I buy the boxes of Guinness or the four bottles of various lager beers they are just in cardboard, no plastic., although I do usually buy single bottles and beer, wine and cider.
 
I think it's very easy for young people to get caught up in a idealistic craze, such as the "green" movement. I'll admit that it caught my interest and for a while I was quite gung ho about it. However, now I've calmed down a little bit and although I still recycle everything possible, I'm much less severe with my family for being overly wasteful. I think I've come to a point where I do what I can to help the environment and take joy from that, but if the rest of the world decides to throw away tonnes of plastic bottles and bags into the ocean and bury it down in the ground, I won't lose too much sleep over it.
 
I've lost sleep over it, I've also been kind of short with my parents, but it's not really for dumping nuclear waste into the Earth's core, it's been more about also saving money (turning lights off when not using, unplugging / shutting off surge protectors at night, etc).

I just really hope that the recycling I'm doing is actually recycling, not just feel-good actions.
 
I've lost sleep over it, I've also been kind of short with my parents, but it's not really for dumping nuclear waste into the Earth's core, it's been more about also saving money (turning lights off when not using, unplugging / shutting off surge protectors at night, etc).

I just really hope that the recycling I'm doing is actually recycling, not just feel-good actions.

Who says we are dumping nuclear waste into the Earth's core? There is already radioactivity there.
 
Yeah, i totally understand, im starting to wonder if sorting through all our trash and seperating plastic/paper/glass/organic waste actually helps.
The organic matter goes to the compost, and we use a lot of the paper as a sort of kindling in winter, but i dont really know if they really recycle the glass and plastic. i do take all my aluminum to the recycling station next to the local grocery store.

There are certain things you can do, i have a bunch of old grocery bags, i reuse them instead of throwing them away, it gets me a discount at the store. You can choose to buy foods with less packaging waste. I dont know what you can do at a pharmacy, maybe its possible to recycle medication bottles?

"We know about the consequences, but the question here is not whether we know, but whether said consequences are of any importance or relevance. "

what? you've heard of the island of plastic in the pacific right? The consequences of that are not relevant?

I personally care for the planet I live on.
 
Statistics have shown that USA is the largest consumer of water in plastic bottle in the world. Some are not aware of the consequences of buying bottled waters while others are simply ignoring the harmful effects of such. Although the government have already assured the public that all water coming out of their faucet are all clean and drinkable still bottled water continues to increase its sale yearly and according to one data coming from government institution, Americans have already spent $11 billion of dollars on bottled H2O in the year of 2006 only and are expected to increase yearly. Furthermore, reports show that in that same year 1 out of 5 plastic containers have been recycled.
 
We know about the consequences, but the question here is not whether we know, but whether said consequences are of any importance or relevance.

Only someone who has absolutely no value for life, whether human or animal or even their own genetic line, would believe such a thing as you just said.

Right now we're doing great damage to the environment, little of which is reversable. We are driving countless creatures towards extinction, undoing hundreds of millions of years of evolution. You could bring back these creatures to life or converse a small amount in captivity, but what would be the point when there is no suitable habitat left for them to live in the wild?

We're not only poisoning the soil we walk on, fowling the water we drink & swim in, polluting the air we breathe, destroying the plants & creatures we share this planet with, but we're even harming ourselves. There are so many ticking time bombs right now in the world, from the consequences of persistent use of low level antibiotics in intensively farmed animals, the constant draining of water from soil leaving it dry & salty, the destruction of our forests to the plastics industries polluting our water etc etc. Technically, there is no such thing as fresh water anymore- our drinking water may now be free of disease & parasites, but it is now full of artificial hormones (from the plastic industries), chemicals and even drugs.

I totally agree with Putrefaction that we need to be doing so much more with recyling. Recyling preserves resources and reduces wastage. I forsee that perhaps in the distant future people will go back to the landfills we dig today to recycle the materials we dumped in them.

The reason why no politicion will commit to recycling on anything more than a superficial level though is the same reason why our economies are failing and that even problems almost everyone can see and see solutions too are not being fixed...These measures take time & money to put into practice, and no matter how much unlimited good putting in better practices will do in the long term, few politicions are willing to put their necks on the line for the initial work to get things going. Politicions are self-absorbed and only care about their carears. Democracy is flawed and the government is corrupted by political "sponsership".

So yes. Many people probably don't really care about how much plastic is being dumped into landfills or how many by-product chemicals are being washed into our waters (causing all manner of damage to marine ecosystems and people, which we are only just beginning to understand)- they probably care more about their job right now, their mortgage payments, their childrens education or their food or fuel budget. And they only care about politics when these things are being directly negatively affected- afterall, why spent energy worrying about someone elses problems?
But un-united we fall, and its this "its someone elses problem not mine" attitude that has allowed so much of the immoral behaviour in our governments. We no longer fight for everyone's benefit, only our own. In the big picture all these things are in one way or another way interconnected!

Support your fellow citizen if he or she has a good cause, because although it might not interest you particularly, standing together we empower ourselves and can have much more sway when our own interests are threatened! Though of course, the government would rather have everyone divided in this farce of a democracy as divided we are weaker and easier to control. We complain, but increasingly no one pays heed. The more we complain the less we do and the weaker we become.

Instead of relying on other people to solve the future's problems, why not make an effort to find solutions yourself, make an ethical/moral stand or even just make an individual effort, as then you will be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem.
 
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