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- 1 Dec 2005
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Infection_ said:I've been learning Japanese for about 6 months now and the problem I find is I remember a certain word, then I forget it in a months time, and using the langauge doesn't seem to help, I speak to Japanese change students at my school quite regulary so I can't say I don't use the language, yet, a lot of the time I'm stuck for a certain word and can't remember it till I go back to a dictionary. It seems to be happening for a lot of words you use regulary though.
Can you suggest any good method for remembering vocabuary?
You shouldn't be too hard on yourself after only six months. Even people who have been studying the language for years forget words now and then (in fact, native speakers aren't even immune to this.)Infection_ said:I've been learning Japanese for about 6 months now and the problem I find is I remember a certain word, then I forget it in a months time, and using the langauge doesn't seem to help, I speak to Japanese change students at my school quite regulary so I can't say I don't use the language, yet, a lot of the time I'm stuck for a certain word and can't remember it till I go back to a dictionary. It seems to be happening for a lot of words you use regulary though.
Can you suggest any good method for remembering vocabuary?
I agree. After only six months, I wouldn't worry too much. The fact that you're trying to communicate and making a sincere effort is to be commended Infection.jt said:Learning a language is just like this -- lots of forgetting, relearning, and reinforcement. Also, as your Japanese gets better, you'll be able to speak/read/write/understand more, which means you'll have more opportunities to reinforce everything.
In other words, don't let the small pitfalls get to you too much. Just keep going with it and you'll be fine.
This is another thing, too, where a learner's current level of proficiency determines what words are and aren't in "frequent use." When you've only been studying the language for six months and it's still a struggle to understand and produce even very simple sentences, many words will seem obscure because you just aren't taking in or producing Japanese at a high enough level to encounter them frequently. As you gain proficiency, and are able to read/understand "real" Japanese at a deeper level and greater speed, you give yourself more opportunities to encounter more complex words more and more often.WHEATTHlNS said:I would venture that if you SAW the word in a sentence - you'd be able to read it. I dont think youre FORGETTING words - its simply their frequency of use isnt very high.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. Learning a language is cumulative simply by nature, something which you touch upon in your comment. It's not like you learn one structure and then never see it again -- you see it in different contexts, and in conjunction with new structures/new vocabulary/etc., which serves to reinforce the old material and allows you to deepen your understanding of the various ways in which it can be used.WHEATTHINS said:One of the MAJOR problems I've seen with students and classes, is that there is almost ZERO focus put on cumulative teaching, in that you learn one thing, and move on, never to have a lesson or quiz about what you just learned again, and the old stuff is integrated into the new as if its concrete in the brain now.
jt_ said:This is another thing, too, where a learner's current level of proficiency determines what words are and aren't in "frequent use." When you've only been studying the language for six months and it's still a struggle to understand and produce even very simple sentences, many words will seem obscure because you just aren't taking in or producing Japanese at a high enough level to encounter them frequently. As you gain proficiency, and are able to read/understand "real" Japanese at a deeper level and greater speed, you give yourself more opportunities to encounter more complex words more and more often.
For example, I wouldn't recommend a first-year Japanese student who is still struggling with the て-form of verbs to spend excessive time trying to memorize a word like 可能性 (just for a random example) -- it would be pointless, because even if they could remember that it means "possibility", they wouldn't be capable of understanding or participating in the kind of conversation (or reading the sort of text) in which 可能性 would turn up.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: don't sweat it when you forget a word. It'll stick eventually, but not until you reach the level where it has a reason to stick.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. Learning a language is cumulative simply by nature, something which you touch upon in your comment. It's not like you learn one structure and then never see it again -- you see it in different contexts, and in conjunction with new structures/new vocabulary/etc., which serves to reinforce the old material and allows you to deepen your understanding of the various ways in which it can be used.
It sounds more like you're just saying that classes move too fast -- you're going on to new things before you've had time to master the old stuff. Maybe this just means you need to devote more time to studying, or to reviewing past material.
It sounds more like you're just saying that classes move too fast.
I'm still not sure exactly what the problem is. If you need to review a particular verb form or whatever, how hard is it to go back to that chapter and look it over again? It sounds like you're saying you just want more class time spent on "review." I don't know where you're studying Japanese, but in most college classes at least, there generally isn't much of this, simply because classes have to move at a decent pace in order to cover everything. Besides, everything is cumulative anyway (it's not like you learn the difference between transitive/intransitive verbs and then never see them again) so there's less need for overt review.WHEATTHlNS said:Not at all. Ill liken it to a math class - or even a chemistry or sociology. In each of these classes, or in well written books, past exercises (or recent exercises) are integrated into NEW material. Not in the same in-depth nature as it was originally introduced, but it still revisits the material in some way (a reminder on how to conjugate certain verbs, or the difference between transitive/intransitive verbs). In other classes you have this AS WELL AS self-review. I havent seen any JAPANESE class structured this way. You finish Chapter 6, move on, and a recap/reminded/extra-exercises associated with old material is NEVER covered just assumed to be up to be now concrete.
I would agree that this isn't a good thing at all. Especially at the early stages of learning, internalizing grammar/sentence structure is just as important (more important, actually) than vocabulary and kanji. It really doesn't make sense not to test students on it.WHEATTHINS said:It also doesnt help that (again in the classes I've taken) barely ANY focus is placed on actual grammar knowledge beyond in class exercises, homework and midterms. The only constant quizzing that is done is on vocabularly and KANJI.
Eh... I think the only truly effective way to improve listening comprehension is to actively listen to Japanese outside of class. Actually, this goes for reading, speaking, and everything really.WHEATTHINS said:If your classes arent like this - thats good. It's not THAT critical, but when it comes time for LISTENING COMPREHENSION - then its a problem, because at this point you arent "comprehending" at your own speed (such as when you are readin) but at the mercy of the speaker.
I'm still not sure exactly what the problem is.
If you need to review a particular verb form or whatever, how hard is it to go back to that chapter and look it over again?
It sounds like you're saying you just want more class time spent on "review."
I don't know where you're studying Japanese
but in most college classes at least, there generally isn't much of this, simply because classes have to move at a decent pace in order to cover everything.
Besides, everything is cumulative anyway (it's not like you learn the difference between transitive/intransitive verbs and then never see them again) so there's less need for overt review.