One of my friends told me about this...

[KirinMan]

#2 Look up even the basic data concerning the Japanese legal system, the glaring 98+% conviction rate, the rate of confessions, the secretive death penalty system is ABSOLUTELY justification to raise an eyebrow and seek out more explanation if you are going to be inside the country

Mmm......I would say it is better than getting a bullet behind the ear 10 minutes after being convicted. Or getting hung before the trial even starts.

There are protections for the prisoners in the law that allows them to go through an appeals process before the sentence is carried out.

In my opinion Japan does not take the death penalty lightly. I dont see the problem with being secretive in that what "right" does a prisoner have to know the day and date of their execution?

Note here I am not stating my beliefs for or against capital punishment here!

 

[Emoni]

Comparing third-world regimes to Japan's legal system is going to make anything look good. I was simply trying to present the argument that from those numbers, those statements alone, it is perfectly understandable why one would seek to clarify and find out more information on this subject.

Heck, I know I still want to find out more.

 

[caster51]

Hokkaido Police at Chitose Airport only stop non-Asian passengers for G8 Summit anti-terrorist ID Checks, ask me for ID three times. Voice recording as proof (UPDATED) | debito.org

I am not a supporter of Debito, but the mp3 file would be the great answer for you, Kyle. And if you study Japanese, it is also a good study material for you to know how to speak Japanese humbly like the cop.

警官「外人登録証をおねがいします」
police; please show me your ID
有道「ボク日本人です」
i am a Japanese
警官「永住者の方ですか？」
are you a permanent resident?
有道「ボク日本人です」
I am a Japanese
警官「ハーフかなにか？」
are you a half Japanese?
有道「ボク日本人です」
I am a Japanese..

LOL...
it would be finished for 10 seconds...
What would happen in U.S.A.? this police is so kind..
if I was this police, I would arrest him LOL
Does a terrorist imitate this method in USA?

 

[KirinMan]

Hokkaido Police at Chitose Airport only stop non-Asian passengers for G8 Summit anti-terrorist ID Checks, ask me for ID three times. Voice recording as proof (UPDATED) | debito.org
ﾅ遅ﾅ?ﾂｯﾂ「ﾅ?Oﾂ人窶徙ﾋ弯ﾂ湘倪?堙ｰ窶堋ｨ窶堙銀?堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ」
police; please show me your ID
窶猫窶慊ｹﾂ「ﾆ畜ﾆ誰窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶堙??堋ｷﾂ」
i am a Japanese
ﾅ遅ﾅ?ﾂｯﾂ「窶ｰiﾂ住ﾅｽﾃ停?堙娯?｢ﾃｻ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？ﾂ」
are you a permanent resident?
窶猫窶慊ｹﾂ「ﾆ畜ﾆ誰窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶堙??堋ｷﾂ」
I am a Japanese
ﾅ遅ﾅ?ﾂｯﾂ「ﾆ地ﾂーﾆ稚窶堋ｩ窶堙遺?堙俄?堋ｩﾂ？ﾂ」
are you a half Japanese?
窶猫窶慊ｹﾂ「ﾆ畜ﾆ誰窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶堙??堋ｷﾂ」
I am a Japanese..
LOL...
it would be finished for 10 seconds...
What would happen in U.S.A.? this police is so kind..
if I was this police, I would arrest him LOL
Does a terrorist imitate this method in USA?

Out of 125,000,000 or so Japanese people living in Japan how many "look" like Dave?

I can not blame the police for their assumption that a foreign looking person, meaning someone like Dave is not Japanese. It is an easy mistake to make.

Maybe someday in the future when all race lines here get mushed to the point that everyone looks like someone from somewhere else things will change but until then it's just one of the things that people in my opinion need to learn to tolerate while living here.

There are times, at least to me anyway, and I do not personally know the man himself either, that I think that Dave goes out looking to get into situations where he can rant about the discrimination here in Japan.

He made the choice to take Japanese citizenship, he should have prepared himself for the bull crap as well.

 

[orochi]

I can not blame the police for their assumption that a foreign looking person, meaning someone like Dave is not Japanese. It is an easy mistake to make.

No it's not. And there's no legal basis for tying appearance to nationality.

He made the choice to take Japanese citizenship, he should have prepared himself for the bull crap as well.

Before Japan started offering citizenship (which includes the same, full rights as those born here as citizens) to those who do not resemble "ethnic Japanese", then it should have been prepared. The laws are on the books. Cops messing up on the job don't justify anything.

Why are you making the victim out to be the offender?

 

[caster51]

Why are you making the victim out to be the offender?

victim of what?

police just said " please show me your ID" very politely.
he was there for hooking police? a big catch LOL

 

[orochi]

victim of what?
police just said " please show me your ID" very politely.
he was there for hooking police? a big catch LOL

Victim of racial profiling and unlawful police stops?

You can't be stopped for "looking foreign".

 

[caster51]

Victim of racial profiling and unlawful police stops?

You can't be stopped for "looking foreign".

he just said " pleaese show me an ID"
what is a problem?


"looking foreign"???
even there are many japanese stopped by them.
just check out google

 

[orochi]

he just said " pleaese show me an ID"

Are you familiar with the relevant laws?

 

[caster51]

Are you familiar with the relevant laws?

whatever, I cooperate it with pleasure more than that because of 10 seconds

anyway. waht do you think" even there were many japanese stopped by them"

he is a Paranoid or lack of investigaion as an activist

you also beliebed 'One of my friends told me about this"

What is the purpose that he went to the airport and strolled in the airport?
to hook a policeman?
He is a suspicious person obviously for police

 

[orochi]

I was hoping we could discuss the law.
I guess not.

 

[Emoni]

Victim of racial profiling and unlawful police stops?

You can't be stopped for "looking foreign".

I wasn't aware that racial profiling laws actually existed in Japan... could you expand on this a bit? I'm quite curious.

 

[caster51]

I wasn't aware that racial profiling laws actually existed in Japan... could you expand on this a bit? I'm quite curious.

that is why debito won by trial about onsen in hokkaido

 

[orochi]

I wasn't aware that racial profiling laws actually existed in Japan... could you expand on this a bit? I'm quite curious.

I didn't say there as a law against racial profiling.

 

[Emoni]

Victim of racial profiling and unlawful police stops?

You can't be stopped for "looking foreign".

I guess I misunderstood what you meant by this then...

 

[pipokun]

...
Maybe someday in the future when all race lines here get mushed to the point that everyone looks like someone from somewhere else things will change but until then it's just one of the things that people in my opinion need to learn to tolerate while living here.
....

Tolerate what?
The extremely humble speech like the cop?
Or being as loud as him enable you to be naturalized or get a permanent resident status?
He did not clearly mention his situation that he was seemingly waiting for something after going through the gate for a while, such as taking photos or preparing the voice recording or else.

Kyle, please remember that most cops are armed here, but it must be a big news if he/she fire a gun in the air and the head of police will definitely hold a press conference to explain why they shoot the cloud (not crowd).

 

[Mike Cash]

that is why debito won by trial about onsen in hokkaido

Had he not been a citizen, it is doubtful he would have won.

 

[FrustratedDave]

Tolerate what?
The extremely humble speech like the cop?
Or being as loud as him enable you to be naturalized or get a permanent resident status?
He did not clearly mention his situation that he was seemingly waiting for something after going through the gate for a while, such as taking photos or preparing the voice recording or else.
Kyle, please remember that most cops are armed here, but it must be a big news if he/she fire a gun in the air and the head of police will definitely hold a press conference to explain why they shoot the cloud (not crowd).

Pipokun I think Kirinman was stateing that until European looking Japanese citizens are in abundance, "we" who look not like Japanese have to tolerate the fact that we may be asked to show ID even if we were naturalised citizens. He is taking the same point of veiw as you.

I agree that what he(Dave) did was clearly bait the cop and could have resolved the situation in a few moments, but obviously he was there for a different agenda. I have to wonder how many times he walked through the gate before he was asked to show ID?

 

[KirinMan]

No it's not. And there's no legal basis for tying appearance to nationality.



Before Japan started offering citizenship (which includes the same, full rights as those born here as citizens) to those who do not resemble "ethnic Japanese", then it should have been prepared. The laws are on the books. Cops messing up on the job don't justify anything.

Why are you making the victim out to be the offender?

First off who ever made the comment about any "legal basis"? Not me so please try to avoid putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Next Japan doesnt "offer" citizenship, it accepts people or denies them that go through the application process, it may be semantics but it is a huge difference.

@ pipokun....

Dont take my post out of context please, taken in full text that portion alone that you quoted makes a point.

Also I'm not Kyle either.

 

[orochi]

First off who ever made the comment about any "legal basis"? Not me so please try to avoid putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

So the law should be ignored and the cops allowed free rein to do as they please?

 

[FrustratedDave]

So the law should be ignored and the cops allowed free rein to do as they please?

I thought it was the law that they had the right to ask foreigners to show their gaijin card? Maybe I was mistaken?

 

[orochi]

I thought it was the law that they had the right to ask foreigners to show their gaijin card? Maybe I was mistaken?

If we're talking about the situation above, then gaijin card laws are irrelevant as the one being questioned was a Japanese citizen.

And as I mentioned above, there is no legal basis (or a standard for that matter) for judging nationality on appearance.

 

[FrustratedDave]

If we're talking about the situation above, then gaijin card laws are irrelevant as the one being questioned was a Japanese citizen.
And as I mentioned above, there is no legal basis (or a standard for that matter) for judging nationality on appearance.

Now really think hard about this, a European looking person is claiming to be a Japanese citizen in a society were it is extremly, extremly rare that a European looking person is a Japanese citizen. Now if the police were doing checks on foreign people at that airport would it not be fair to assume that if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck that it could infact be a duck? Why should the police officer believe him? Because he (Debito) said so?! Say it was someone overstaying their visa and they were trying to avoid showing their card, who knows what tricks some the overstayers pull. The cop had every right to be suspicious, but in the end he let him go. Now lets say that was not Debito and was criminal on the run for ,lets say robbery homicide. So now this guy gets on the train robs your wife and kills her on the spot. Who are you going to point fingers at ? the theif or the police for not doing their job? Why interfer with a job that is already made hard enough as it is (and don't go into the , not all foreigners are criminals talk. B/c if they saw a suspicious Japanese citizen they would ask them for and ID too.)

Like I said before , all it would have taken was him showing his drivers licence and it all would have been over in seconds.

 

[pipokun]

So the law should be ignored and the cops allowed free rein to do as they please?

It is legal for cops here to stop and question (the worse case, search).

For KirinMan, Also I'm not Kyle either.

I know, so I pressed the enter key twice.

 

[Ashikaga]

In the case of the caucasian Japanese citizen being asked to show an ID at a train station during the summit, while I do not blame the guy for being offended, I would probably tell him to just get over it. In order to deal with possible terrorism, racial profiling is done in many places. Imagine you are in charge of the security for an event like that and there are reports of previous attempted attacks on the world leaders in different parts of the world, and it just happens those attacks were committed by caucasians. What would you do?

I would be upset and offended as well if I were on the receiving end of racial profiling. However, I would also understand why it is being done and move on. I understand what caster has been saying : It only takes 10 seconds to pull out your ID. No big deal. I also understand what orochi who has been saying (sorry if I am mistaken) : It is a matter of principle.

In the end, I'd say it is a necessary evil.

Now, the being asked for the foreigner card even though you are a Japanese citizen part.

Let's say I became a citizen in a country where the majority of its citizens look different from me. Someone presumes that I am a foreigner based on the fact that I look different (and perhaps I have a foreign accent). Would I go, "How dare you to assume that I am a foreigner just because of the way I look/sound! ". No, I would not. I would simply explain to them my situation, and if that someone happens to be a police officer and wants to see an ID, I'd show it to her/him. As people like me increase in number in that country, this sort of thing will happen less and less, but for now, I would just deal with it and even try to be a nice guy and thank that officer for doing her/his job.