However for fun.. when people try to speak to me in English, I usually reply in really polite Japanese "Sorry I don't speak Japanese, please say that again in English." They're usually confused and it amuses me ^^;
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It's interesting isn't it?...that about half the foreirengers (No I still cannot spell this word.) I know have the problem...and the other half, including me, haven't encountered such problems. I wonder what it is?
Do some people give off a more obvious gaijin-feeling?
Maybe if you have blonde hair or are tall that person seems less able to speak Japanese? (In a Japanese persons view)
It's relaly interesting, I'd love to hear anyones thoguhts on that.
Actually I would like to say something that can bug me when I am in a bad mood.
When shopping or ordering at resturant with my wife and kids, I will ask a question regarding a piece of clothing/product of some sort or something about whats in a dish and probably half the time the cleck/waiter/waitress will answer to my wife and not me. I always have thought this was rude and if I am in a really bad mood I will sometimes say "hello, it was me who asked the question, not her." Anyway that is my story, oh and the fact that "kansai obahan's" do not know the meaning of waiting in line.
I've told numerous people something similar, if written Japanese was just hiragana and/or katakana I think Japanese would be one rather easy language to master. It's the kanji in my opinion that makes it difficult to truly "master".Japanese is not difficult to learn to speak; it is quite easy. (I have difficulty though speaking in public!) However, it's the reading that is difficult. I have to remind my Japanese friends that, as they are always saying that their language is just so hard for us foreigners to learn. Then I wonder to myself, is that why the repeat the same phrases and words in every conversation?
Japanese think their language is the most difficult in the world
I've often had the impression my friends are delighted to think that the Japanese language is incredibly difficult to learn. When I've told them that I found French much more difficult they've seemed disappointed and/or mildy insulted.
- Japanese think that foreigners cannot learn Japanese
Absolutely.
In supermarkets/dept stores etc, the staff will almost always address a foreigner in Japanese. Are they expecting to not be understood and just going through the motions?
Yes-they're just reeling off their lines.
Being a careless sort, I've left items on train seats several times. Each time a Japanese passenger has kindly retrieved the item and handed it to me- but always with arm gestures, grunts and smiles, never a 'sumimasen'.
I was waiting for Shinagawa shinkansen station to open the other morning, with about a dozen Japanese fellow travellers. As the gates opened up, the staff on the barriers said a cheery 'ohayo gozaimasu' to each traveller as he/she passed through the barrier- except me. Did they want to be rude, or did they think that I wouldn't understand that simplest of greetings? Both are pretty bad... Anyway, after waiting a few seconds while the staff shuffled nervously I ventured my own 'ohayo gozaimasu' and was greeted by an embarrassed avalanche of replies.
A friend of mine (18 year old US blonde student, fluent Japanese, friendly, outgoing, intelligent etc) applied for a job at MacDonald's. After an enjoyable interview, the obviously impressed interviewer said that although she was perfect in Japanese, and would make a wonderful employee, he could not offer the job because Japanese customers would assume she couldn't speak Japanese, and would not know what to do.
- Japanese consider their country *more unique* that other "unique" countries
Some of my friends have been surprised to learn that the UK has cherry blossoms. But no-one's been daft enough to think that only Japan has four seasons.
- Japanese look down on people from other Asian countries
Doesn't seem to be the case with any of my friends.
- Japanese are ignorant of history
I've never met a Japanese who has shown any interest in history whatsoever, except the history of European and American whaling on which they seemed to be experts.
- Japanese think they're bad at languages
While riding on a tourist boat on the Thames in London, my Japanese ex-girlfriend was amazed that none of the other (mostly European looking) customers was listening to the (English) commentary. I explained that they seemed to be Italians and Spaniards, and seemed not to be able to understand English. "Eeeeeee ????" she replied. "Gaijin da noni!!!" I asked her why she thought all non-Japanese could understand English.
"Because they learn it at school" she replied.
"But so do you..."
"But we are Japaneesu!"
EDIT - must add that she was smiling broadly at this point...!
- Many Japanese will freak out when spoken to in Japanese by a foreigner, and not understand despite the supposed "fluent" Japanese
I'm not fluent so I can't really comment. However, my Japanese is understandable (I think.) However, any question or request of mine directed at a waiter or shop assistant will be answered directly to my Japanese companion.
- Many Japanese will try to answer in bad English after ng asked a question in "fluent" Japanese
I remember chatting to staff member on the door of a livehouse... this conversation was entirely in Japanese.
"Hi, I've come to see my friend's band"
"I understand. What's the name?
"Kanako"
"She's on in ten minutes."
"Great! My name should be on the list. How much is it?"
At this point she fumbled around for ages in her handbag for a piece of paper and a pen, then wrote down 2000 YEN. I asked her why she'd written it down instead of telling me.
"Because I can't speak English"
I thought someone else may have experienced this one.Sorry but I have to laugh here, not out of sarcasm but out of reading something here that I have experienced more times than once as well. Gets rather frustrating at times, and it is difficult at times for me to keep my mouth in check.
These words ring, oh so true!Learning to speak a foreign language is never difficult. The trick is when you try to speak it well....
I kind of agree with you in that I have rarely experienced what most people claim to have experienced. Sure, I have been complimented on my use of chopsticks more than a few times and had a waiter or waitress speak to my companion instead of me when it was I who asked the question, but that was rare. Once or twice I had a person respond in English when I spoke in Japanese and no one ever freaked out in a store or something when I spoke Japanese. While waiting to be served a few times I did overhear them asking around if anyone spoke English, but they still waited on me in Japanese and were probably relieved that I spoke Japanese. Rarely did anyone freak out when I speak or spoke Japanese. More often than not they are probably relieved.pika la said:It's interesting isn't it?...that about half the foreirengers (No I still cannot spell this word.) I know have the problem...and the other half, including me, haven't encountered such problems. I wonder what it is?
Do some people give off a more obvious gaijin-feeling?
Maybe if you have blonde hair or are tall that person seems less able to speak Japanese? (In a Japanese persons view)
It's relaly interesting, I'd love to hear anyones thoguhts on that.
May I ask you why you are frustrated? I think they are just trying to be nice?Basically the only time I'm ever spoken to in English is at the touristy places, which I guess is expected. Still frustrating though and I usually pretend not to understand. If I'm given the English version of a brocheur I'll ask them for the Japanese one.
True, and how you act does have a lot to do with it. But the resturant one that I said will never change.Bingo!! I believe that is mostly the main reason those completely fluent may receive the occassional surprise or response in English, I think it is rare.
That reminds me of a time when a Japanese person said to their white classmate "where are you from?" The white classmate replied in perfect Japanese "sorry but I can't speak English at all" Turns out the white classmate was from Japan and had been in the Uk for only a week.
May I ask you why you are frustrated? I think they are just trying to be nice?
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If you think these are examples of not being ignored, live your fantasy. All you have shown are examples of public displays of courtesy and shopkeepers who shout out "irashaimase!" without even looking at the door. Do you know the difference between honne and tatemae?Rare is the case that I am ignored when amongst the Japanese. Unknown neighbors still greet me with a slight bow and an ohayo gozaimasu or konnichiwa while I am walking and I return same in kind; I always receive the tissues at the station and, when I walk into a place of business on my own, I am greeted as any Japanese would be including an out of the way ramen shop in the middle of the night
I'm actually experiencing the opposite situation. Just last weekend, I saw this "white" guy ordering sushi in English at a local Japanese restaurant, and the staff are mostly Taiwanese here. Is this rude?I think it's quite rude to be spoken to in a foreign language (i.e. English) just because you have a white face.
I'm actually experiencing the opposite situation. Just last weekend, I saw this "white" guy ordering sushi in English at a local Japanese restaurant, and the staff are mostly Taiwanese here. Is this rude?
Have you ever considered that you are spoken to in English, not because you have a white face, but because it's a lingua franca?
I think you have a rather narrow view of what manners and respect are. I think that the Japanese people that were talking to you in English were showing you respect for the most part.Yes I have considered this but I don't accept it. You should always address someone in the language of the country you're in. It's just plain manners and respect.
I'll chime in here on the chopsticks comments. I rarely ever hear the comment "segoii, jozu ne" when I use them, but after 10+ years I have probably heard it four times.
I wonder how you would feel if you were back at that time and when you didn't understand Japanese wouldn't you find it luck that people could communicate with you? But now that your high and mighty your past it? I don't think your thinking that way. When foreigners come to England and speak English I'm grateful but if I ever met a Japanese person who needed E.G. directions but didn't speak to me in English then I would try to use Japanese with them its only natural.
I think you have a rather narrow view of what manners and respect are. I think that the Japanese people who were talking to you in English were showing you respect for the most part.