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[Toritoribe]

That よう is not the conjugation suffix of the volitional form but the stem of a na-adjective 様だ.

the volitional form
入る --> 入ろう
食べる --> 食べよう

na-adjective
入る --> 入るようだ/ように
食べる --> 食べるようだ/ように
入らない --> 入らないようだ/ように

Unlike the suffix よう, the na-adjective 様だ is attached to the conclusive form(終止形) of a verb/an adjective.

ために can be misinterprited that it expressees the reason why the event in the main clause happened.
e.g.
風が入らないために、部屋が蒸し暑くなった。

 

[Andromedashun]

That よう is not the conjugation suffix of the volitional form but the stem of a na-adjective 様だ.

the volitional form
入る --> 入ろう
食べる --> 食べよう

na-adjective
入る --> 入るようだ/ように
食べる --> 食べるようだ/ように
入らない --> 入らないようだ/ように

Unlike the suffix よう, the na-adjective 様だ is attached to the conclusive form(終止形) of a verb/an adjective.

I don't understand anything but thanks, will try later.

ために can be misinterprited that it expressees the reason why the event in the main clause happened.

Got it! Thanks again.

 

[Toritoribe]

よう in 入らないように has nothing to do with the volitional form.

 

[Andromedashun]

? I meant I said it wasn't a volitional condition (not form) (expressing volitional) in previous page. The additional explaination of the structure come from the book, which distinguise youni and tameni, not me.

Anyway I understand.

 

[Toritoribe]

Ah I see. What is said in the explanation about the difference between ように and ために, BTW?

 

[Andromedashun]

Ah I see. What is said in the explanation about the difference between ように and ために, BTW?

I'm not sure I'm understand it, anyway here:

youni, which you learned at lesson 36, is also use to express a purpose. Youni is used with verb that do not contain volition, while tameni is used with verb that do. Compare the two sentences below:

1. 自分の店を持つために、貯金しています。
5. 自分の店を待てるように、貯金しています。

1. means that one has intentionally set up the objective of ''having a shop'' and ''is saving money'' to attain those objective, while 5 means one's objective is a state in which ''a shop may be gained'' and one ''is saving money'' in order to get close to that state.

V dictionary form/V nai| non-volitional expression|youni,|volitional expression|

V dictionary form/N no| volitional expression|tameni,|volitional expression|

With the exception here is なる which is both non-volitional and volitional.

PS: seem like I remembered switching tameni and youni, oh well anyway...

 

[Toritoribe]

Yeah, that's the key of your confusion. According to the explanation, which is of course accurate, ように is for non-volitional verbs and ために is for volitional verbs. 風が入らない is non-volitional, therefore ように is used.;-)

 

[ltuk91]

Hi there,I would like to ask what does "気持ちいいくらい" means exactly?

 

[Toritoribe]

What's the context?

 

[ltuk91]

Oops, my bad..
The whole sentence is 気持ちいいくらい納得した..."納得した"is understood, but for the 気持ちいいくらい, I had no idea...
Could you explain it for me?

 

[Toritoribe]

Totally, completely, perfectly or something like that

 

[ltuk91]

Alright, thanks dude!

 

[Lotorie]

Hello, this seems to be an expression, but I have no context at all, so I'm not sure what verb I should use to tranlate:

今浮かれないでいつ浮かれる !

浮く 【うく】 (v5k,vi) (1) to float; (2) (See 浮かぬ顔) to become merry; to be cheerful; (3) to become loose; to become unsteady; (4) (col) to feel out of it; to be cut off (e.g. from those around you); to feel out of place; (5) to be frivolous; to be uncertain; (6) to have no basis; to be unreliable;

The first one, to be cheerfull is the most common?

If you're not cheerful now, when will you be?

 

[Toritoribe]

You should look up 浮かれる in the dictionary instead of 浮く.

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[Lotorie]

You should look up 浮かれる in the dictionary instead of 浮く. :emoji_wink:

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Yes, I should have done that...
Thank you!

 

[inadera]

I have a question about the words 歩く and 歩む. I see that both have the same meaning, 'to walk'. But is there any difference on the usage of the two? Are they interchangeable? It seems that 歩く is more frequently used, though.

 

[uimanabi]

Hello!

I'm actually reading a collection of Yamaguchi Seishi's haikus.

One of my favourites is this one, of which I have both the translation and the romaji:

natsu no kawa akaki tessa no hashi hitaru.


River in summer:
The end of a red iron chain
Soaks in the water.
​

So I decided to try to write the Japanese text. Here's my attempt:

夏の川赤き鉄鎖の端浸る。


​

My question: Is my Japanese correct? Feel free to correct me, as the mistakes we make help us to learn….

Many thanks

 

[Glenn]

I have a question about the words 歩く and 歩む. I see that both have the same meaning, 'to walk'. But is there any difference on the usage of the two? Are they interchangeable? It seems that 歩く is more frequently used, though.

歩く is more of an everyday, literal word for "walk", where 歩む is more figurative and metaphorical (e.g., 人生の道を歩む).

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夏の川赤き鉄鎖の端浸る。
Is my Japanese correct?

It's not wrong, but the original seems to be 夏の河赤き鉄鎖の端浸る (i.e., 河, not 川). You can check these sorts of thing with a Google search.

 

[inadera]

歩く is more of an everyday, literal word for "walk", where 歩む is more figurative and metaphorical (e.g., 人生の道を歩む).

I see, thanks

 

[Andromedashun]

What's 気持ちがうまい as in お祝いの気持ちがうまく伝えられません。?

Can't send congratulation... something?

This is about wedding's speeches. Thanks!

 

[Toritoribe]

うまく is the adverbial form, thus, it modifies 伝えられません.

 

[uimanabi]

Many thanks, Glenn

 

[MikoTing]

Hi everyone! Is there a common Japanese word out there that basically means "gentleman" in the Victorian sense of the word? I know that Yamato Nadeshiko means an "ideal woman." The word I am looking for may be a male counterpart to that, but should give the message that the "gentleman" is sophisticated, smart, maybe rich but not necessarily, but comes from good breeding. Thanks!

 

[Glenn]

I believe the word you want is 紳士 (shinshi).

By the way, the word for "lady/ladies" that gets paired with that one is 淑女 (shukujo). It's even a set expression: 紳士淑女 (shinshi-shukujo).

 

[Toritoribe]

Agreed. The most common word for "gentleman" is 紳士 "shinshi", and its counterpart is "shukujo", not "yamatonadeshiko". The pair word for yamatonadeshiko would be yamatoonoko, nihondanji, masurao, or something like that, but these words doesn't have such nuance; sophisticated, smart or rich.