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[Elizabeth]

ために can also translate "because of" which is basically the same as のおかげで in a causal sense but "thanks to" simply adds an element of thankfulness or welcome appreciation for the outcome.


話し手にとってありがたいことが起こったという意味になります。 sort of feeling...

↑そんな感じですね。

 

[AnnieJ]

ために can also translate "because of" which is basically the same as のおかげで in a causal sense but "thanks to" simply adds an element of thankfulness or welcome appreciation for the outcome.
話し手にとってありがたいことが起こったという意味になります。 sort of feeling...

LOL, I am not yet advanced enough to understand what you just wrote in Japanese there! But I understood bits and pieces! (Yay!)

So おかげで adds the greater element of thankfulness/gratitude, right? Because then I definitely want おかげで, since I'm grateful for the action. Plus, my sensei likes it when we use more appreciative grammar... lol.

 

[Glenn]

ために can also translate "because of" which is basically the same as のおかげで in a causal sense but "thanks to" simply adds an element of thankfulness or welcome appreciation for the outcome.


話し手にとってありがたいことが起こったという意味になります。 sort of feeling...

↑そんな感じですね。

I don't think ために can be used with a person to express "because of". At least the only times I've seen it used as "because of" it's been with an adjective or verb as far as I'm aware, like ここの在住は不便なために移住する or something (although that just might be a weird sentence). I'm pretty sure if you say Nのために it means something is done for that noun. A cursory search on Google seems to bear that out.

 

[Elizabeth]

I don't think ために can be used with a person to express "because of". At least the only times I've seen it used as "because of" it's been with an adjective or verb as far as I'm aware, like ここの在住は不便なために移住する or something (although that just might be a weird sentence). I'm pretty sure if you say Nのために it means something is done for that noun. A cursory search on Google seems to bear that out.

Oh, OK. I'm not sure. I actually deduced the "rule," if there is one, from the below sentence saved a while back translated in goo as "due to him." But I've also read when attached to nouns referring to people or countries etc. that ために becomes for the benefit of.

せっかくの日曜日が彼のために駄目になってしまった


The distinction between because of a person per se and because of some characteristic they present (their work, illness etc) is sort of lost on me, but anyway I was just responding in a general way to Annie's question.

 

[Glenn]

Hmm, maybe it has more to do with the verb at the end then. I'm not so sure now.

 

[undrentide]

Oh, OK. I'm not sure. I actually deduced the "rule," if there is one, from the below sentence saved a while back translated in goo as "due to him." But I've also read when attached to nouns referring to people or countries etc. that ために becomes for the benefit of.

せっかくの日曜日が彼のために駄目になってしまった

To express's negative feelings such regret, disappointment, etc., usually せいで is used rather than ために (in contrast to ～のおかげで)

 

[Elizabeth]

To express's negative feelings such regret, disappointment, etc., usually せいで is used rather than ために (in contrast to ～のおかげで)

Oh, yes. My understand is せい is a cause to place a blame or fault on someone or something for an undesirable outcome beyond ones control - but for a cause OR a reason you can use ために. ☝

 

[Glenn]

To express's negative feelings such regret, disappointment, etc., usually せいで is used rather than ために (in contrast to ～のおかげで)

So in the case that AnnieJ gave, could ために be used to show "because of"?

 

[AnnieJ]

We're having quite a discussion about the usage of ために! Lol. But this is helpful - I'm learning something new, too!

 

[Toritoribe]

So in the case that AnnieJ gave, could ために be used to show "because of"?

おかげ is appropriate. It's obviously a benefit for the speaker. ため sounds too neutral for the context.

Nounのために can be used for "because of", though せいで is more common in spoken language especially when it's a disbenefit for the speaker, as undrentide-san wrote. In other words, since せいで too much emphasizes the disbenefit, it's hard to be used in the context like 雨のため（に）順延する in the examples below.

［2］ （形式名詞）
助詞「の」「が」を介在させて体言と、あるいは用言の連体形に接続して用いる。助詞「に」を伴うこともある。
（ア） その物事が理由・原因であることを表すのに用いる。ゆえ。

雨の―順延する

事故があった―に遅刻する

これが―に彼は大いに苦況に立たされた

「ため」の検索結果 - Yahoo!辞書

 

[Elizabeth]

おかげ is appropriate. It's obviously a benefit for the speaker. ため sounds too neutral for the context.
Nounのために can be used for "because of", though せいで is more common in spoken language especially when it's a disbenefit for the speaker, as undrentide-san wrote. In other words, since せいで too much emphasizes the disbenefit, it's hard to be used in the context like 雨のため（に）順延する in the examples below.
「ため」の検索結果 - Yahoo!辞書

And making it fitting or not depending what is being thanked, also. Besides ために having an overly official or formal ring compared to おかげ.

あなたの優しさのために、彼の痛みのいくつかは取り除かれました。:emoji_blush:

 

[Glenn]

I guess that's why it just doesn't get used that way, or at least why I haven't come across it being used that way.

 

[Kiyo90]

When connecting verbs/adjectives, か is generally needed also for the second one.
買うか借りるか（を）決めなくちゃいけない
買うのか借りるのか（を）決めなくちゃいけない
(こと can't be used for this case.)
No particle is needed for a time span.
ここに一年間いる
一年間ここにいる

Got it
Thanks a bunch.

 

[Elizabeth]

LOL, I am not yet advanced enough to understand what you just wrote in Japanese there! But I understood bits and pieces! (Yay!)

So おかげで adds the greater element of thankfulness/gratitude, right? Because then I definitely want おかげで, since I'm grateful for the action. Plus, my sensei likes it when we use more appreciative grammar... lol.

Yes, similarly to English "thanks to" is given out of politeness and/or gratitude because it doesn't emphasize the cause as heavily as "because of" or "due to." But unlike English if you want to be sarcastic about it, the sentence needs a negative result. スクーターののおかげじゃない is a bit odd.

 

[lovelady]

Yes, I have one, but it's a song not a text and I can not post it.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

Maybe......................

Yes, I have one, but it's a song not a text and I can not post it.

........if you give us the Japanese songs title and the Japanese singer or band that sings it, someone can tell you where to find the translation. Some of our members in the Japanese music section here might be able to help you.

Uncle Frank

:emoji_thinking:

 

[lovelady]

I sent you a message including the link because I could not post it here.

I hope you can help me!

 

[sushi4tw]

I've learned that there are two types of adjectives. i and na adjectives, because those adjectives end in either i or na; however, I've come across some adjectives that don't end in either i or na, such as fat. To my knowledge fat is "futotteiru" in romaji.

How would I say "that's a fat cat"? and "that cat is fat"?

"sore wa futotteiru no neko desu" and "sono neko wa futotteiru"?

Thanks!

 

[Toritoribe]

I've learned that there are two types of adjectives. i and na adjectives, because those adjectives end in either i or na;

Slightly inccorect. The names are from the adjectival form of the adjectives or the form preceding a noun. Na-adjectives end with -da/desu or copula at the sentence end.

However, I've come across some adjectives that don't end in either i or na, such as fat. to my knowledge fat is "futotteiru" in romaji.

how would I say "that's a fat cat"? and "that cat is fat"?

"sore wa futotteiru no neko desu" and "sono neko wa futotteiru"?

thanks

It's not an adjective, but a verb which is modifying a noun(more accurately, the -te form of a verb "futoru" + "iru").

With the verbs :

• いる iru: It means "to be doing". For example: 待っている matte iru: "I am waiting". This is also used in some situations where the English equivalent does not use "to be doing". For example: 知っている shitte iru: "I know", 持っている motte iru: "I have", ここに住んでいる koko ni sunde iru: "I live here". Colloquially, in this form the "i" often disappears, so 待っている matte iru becomes 待ってる matteru and 知っている shitte iru becomes 知ってる shitteru.

Japanese verb conjugation - Wikipedia

That's a fat cat: Sore wa futotteiru neko desu.("No" is not needed.)

 

[lovelady]

Uncle Frank

I could not replay to your message :emoji_frowning2:

It's OK to use it .

The anime name is '' Hello lady lynn '' or '' lady rin ''.


I have the sound back and it's not one of them.

 

[Noodle06]

de gansu

What does de gansu mean? For example これは竹でがんす. I've heard it a lot in samurai movies, I guess it means something like です, not sure if its で がんす or で がんつ.

 

[Grandpa Frank]

OK , I sent you the link by E-Mail.

Uncle Frank
I could not replay to your message :emoji_frowning2:
It's OK to use it .
The anime name is '' Hello lady lynn '' or '' lady rin ''.
I have the sound back and it's not one of them.

I hope the link works and you can tell which of the 12 songs listed is the song you want. If we can get the title of the song, we can then get more info.

Uncle Frank

 

[sushi4tw]

@Toritoribe: thanks, that makes more sense. I've always had a strange feeling about "adjectives" that looked like verbs such at futotteiru and etc...

Also I've learned something new with ~te form of a verb + iru!

 

[Toritoribe]

What does de gansu mean? for exmple これは竹でがんす. I've heard it a lot in samurai movies, I guess it means something like です, not sure if its で がんす or で がんつ.

～でがんす is correct. If you heard it, for instance, in 山田洋二[Yamada Youji]'s たそがれ清兵衛[Tasogare Seibei], it's a Shounai(a region in Yamagata Prefecture) dialect, equivalent to ～でございます in Standard Japanese. Thus, your interpretation is correct.: (It's more polite than です, though.)

 

[Noodle06]

がんす is correct. If you heard it, for instance, in 山田洋二[Yamada Youji]'s たそがれ清兵衛[Tasogare Seibei], it's a Shonai(a region in Yamagata Prefecture) dialect, equivalent to でございます in Standard Japanese. Thus, your interpretation is correct. (It's more polite than です, though.)

thanks, that one's been bugging me