Elizabeth
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Dokusho kansoubun and it means literally a readers written description of their thoughts.
Need a word or phrase translated?
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This might not be right. It was hand written and a little hard to read, so I'm not sure that I managed to get the right kanji, but it looked like it could be これ以上十二すんの
I know that 以上 can mean, "that's all" and "no more than" and that 十二 is 12, and これ is "this"
I'm not sure how to make an English sentence out of it though.
I guess before I can ask what it means, I should ask if it even makes sense, since I'm not sure if the kanji is completely right.
I know that 以上 can mean, "that's all" and "no more than" and that 十二 is 12, and これ is "this"
I'm not sure how to make an English sentence out of it though.
I guess before I can ask what it means, I should ask if it even makes sense, since I'm not sure if the kanji is completely right.
人の集う場所が感じ取れる伝説の不死鳥の瞳
Sounds good, thanks. Could you break that down, though? I don't see how 感じ取る is incorporated in the sentence, and how が is used to tell the location. In a more literal translation, what would be the verb of the subject, if が marks the subject?
Sounds good, thanks. Could you break that down, though? I don't see how 感じ取る is incorporated in the sentence, and how が is used to tell the location. In a more literal translation, what would be the verb of the subject, if が marks the subject?
kotoristrife
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I need help in translating this sentence--I'm not sure if I got the meaning right:
私には今、ゼロにかける言葉がない。いちるを失っただけじゃなく、自分自身も喪失してしまいそうなゼロに……。
My guess is: I don't have any words for Zero now. Zero not only lost Ichiru, but also seems to lose himself.
Your help is appreciated. Thanks.
私には今、ゼロにかける言葉がない。いちるを失っただけじゃなく、自分自身も喪失してしまいそうなゼロに……。
My guess is: I don't have any words for Zero now. Zero not only lost Ichiru, but also seems to lose himself.
Your help is appreciated. Thanks.
Elizabeth
先輩
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これ以上 can translate basically not more than the number but as "any more than" (a current state or condition). すん is probably approximately or around (寸). There really isn't that much more to go on.
Glenn
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It looks like it could mean "more than this would cost 12" something, but I'm not so sure that makes sense. I'm guessing you do have a misreading in there somewhere, but who knows.
感じ取れる I put as "palpable". I figured that would be a decent word to use for it in this case. 人の集う場所が is the subject. More basically, 場所が is the subject. I'm pretty sure the verb is an unstated copula here, or だ, with the predicate being 感じ取れる伝説の不死鳥の瞳(だ), or more basically, 瞳(だ). So, very stripped down, you have 場所が瞳(だ). The rest of it just describes the two.
That's pretty dead on. You may want to think of it as "he even seems to be losing himself." Other than that, it's right.
kotoristrife
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Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. 
Glenn,
Thanks a lot. I was confused about two things I guess, the missing verb (unstated copula, as you explained) and that が seemed to mark a location here, but that was a misreading on my part, because "the place where people gather" really IS the pupil, I see now. I first read it as "the pupil is (exists) where people gather".
Thanks a lot. I was confused about two things I guess, the missing verb (unstated copula, as you explained) and that が seemed to mark a location here, but that was a misreading on my part, because "the place where people gather" really IS the pupil, I see now. I first read it as "the pupil is (exists) where people gather".
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I suppose it's not a sentence but just a phrase, "the legendary phoenix's pupil which can sense where people gather". が is the object marker for the potential verb 感じ取れる, thus, it can be replaced with を. The phrase 感じ取れる伝説の不死鳥の瞳 without the object sounds a bit awkward.
I'm pretty sure it's 以上ナニ（＝何）すんの.;-)
Glenn
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Ha. So, I was wrong. I wonder why 場所が being the object of 感じ取れる didn't occur to me.
Elizabeth
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It's hard to say without the rest of the story but lose himself is a bit vague I suppose. 喪失 is more narrowly like an inferiority complex where what goes away is faith or confidence in yourself.
Aha, now I get it. It just being a phrase makes sense, since it's a description of an item from a game.
A final question about this. How would the phrase sound different if it was 人の集う場所を感じ取る伝説の不死鳥の瞳 ?
Passive sentences are often hard to translate to my native language (or English). The original phrase would be something like "The pupil of the legendary phoenix, by whom places where people gather can be sensed"?
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No, it's not the passive(感じ取られる) but just the potential, as I wrote. Literally, the phoenix's pupil can sense the place. The difference between 場所が/を感じ取れる and 場所を感じ取る is that the former more focuses on the ability to sense. The latter has a nuance that the pupil senses it automatically/unconsciously.
Oh, sorry about that. I'm tired I guess.
Now I'm confused about が, though. Can が be used to mark the object if the verb is in potential form?
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Yes. Some verbs/adjectives takes が as the object marker.
e.g.
state verb; わかる、要る、できる、、、
potential form/-tai form; 取れる、取りたい、、、
adjective(the one which expresses emotion/feeling); 好きだ、憎い、上手だ、必要だ、、、
This が usually can't be replaced with を, except potential forms, -tai forms, 好きだ, or when used in an adjectival clause.
Phrase Translation assistance
This is what I want to say in English: The girl suffers. To express it, she speaks the language of her heart.
I think this is how it looks in Kanji: 少女は苦しんでいます。彼女は、言い表すために彼女の心臓の言語を話します。
But what I really want is to say it in Romaji correctly. Here is what I have:
Shoujo ha kurushi ndeimasu. Kanojo ha, ii arawasu tameni kanojo no shinzou no gengo wo hanashi masu.
Have I written this correctly? Can anyone give their best translation of what I wrote in Romaji so I can see how it sounds? Thank you!
This is what I want to say in English: The girl suffers. To express it, she speaks the language of her heart.
I think this is how it looks in Kanji: 少女は苦しんでいます。彼女は、言い表すために彼女の心臓の言語を話します。
But what I really want is to say it in Romaji correctly. Here is what I have:
Shoujo ha kurushi ndeimasu. Kanojo ha, ii arawasu tameni kanojo no shinzou no gengo wo hanashi masu.
Have I written this correctly? Can anyone give their best translation of what I wrote in Romaji so I can see how it sounds? Thank you!
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心臓 means "heart" as an organ. Is it what you were trying to say?
I'm not sure how this sentence would be translated.
I gave it a shot, but it could very well be way, way off.
Or rather, I think it's probably way off.
この程度で根をあげると英雄の名が廃りますよ。
When the true nature is given, the hero's name becomes obsolete.
Anyone know of a better translation for this?
I gave it a shot, but it could very well be way, way off.
Or rather, I think it's probably way off.
この程度で根をあげると英雄の名が廃りますよ。
When the true nature is given, the hero's name becomes obsolete.
Anyone know of a better translation for this?
Glenn
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Well, knowing that I may screw this up a bit, I'll give it a shot. I don't know exactly what 根をあげる means, and I didn't see it listed as a 成句 in the dictionary, but overall this looks like it's saying "if that's all it takes to make a name for yourself, the name of 'hero' will lose all it's meaning." Hope that's closer than the last one I tried to translate.
undrentide
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If you give up [under such a small difficulty], it will make you less of a hero.
Without the context, it is not clear what exactly この程度 (of such degree) is referring to thus I put it in [ ]. Even though I used the pronoun "you", it could be a third person depending on the context.
～の名が廃る: literal translation is one's name (= title, value, reputation) gets damaged.
Glenn;674873 said:
It seems to be a typo of 音を上げる.
