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[JoeTheHunter]

Thanks Toritoribe and Elizabeth. This cleared up a lot of things. :
It seems, that it is really hard to find any resources about this topic (I tried to find a good article for days). I found a good one however (ERIC - Ordinal Expressions in Japanese. Papers in Japanese Linguistics, Vol. 2, No. 1., 1973

 

[Toritoribe]

そうなんですね。 友達から便りがあったよね。多分、そのややこしい過去形では彼は訳がわからなくなってしまったでしょう。

Yeah, that's the key problem of the example sentence.

 

[Jericho Desu]

Thanks Mikawa Ossan, undrentide and neokai!

 

[indigozeal]

今読んでいる小説で、ある大学教授は急に鳥類学に夢中になっていました。彼の友達はその奇妙な行動の理由を推測しようとします。

「鳥は大好きな物、うわっついたもの、フワフワ夢うつつで、未知への期待がいっぱいだ。」

「うわっついたもの」と「フワフワ夢うつつで」という部分が分かりません。教授を記述していますか、鳥を記述していますか。そして、この分脈で「うわっついたもの」って何の意味ですか。ウエッブで"fleeting; ephemeral"と"faddish"以外に定義が見つかりません。

もう一度どうぞよろしくお願いします。

 

[Elizabeth]

I completely forgot about it, but there's also 割増料金, わりましりょうきん for extra charge.

 

[Ashikaga]

今読んでいる小説で、ある大学教授は急に鳥類学に夢中になっていました。彼の友達はその奇妙な行動の理由を推測しようとします。
「鳥は大好きな物、うわっついたもの、フワフワ夢うつつで、未知への期待がいっぱいだ。」
「うわっついたもの」と「フワフワ夢うつつで」という部分が分かりません。教授を記述していますか、鳥を記述していますか。そして、この分脈で「うわっついたもの」って何の意味ですか。ウエッブで"fleeting; ephemeral"と"faddish"以外に定義が見つかりません。
もう一度どうぞよろしくお願いします。

これ、日本語で書かれた小説ですか？ 日本語の物を英語に訳して、それをインターネットの自動翻訳機を通したような文ですね。 ちなみに何と言う小説ですか？ これが原文だとは思えません。

 

[indigozeal]

これ、日本語で書かれた小説ですか？ 日本語の物を英語に訳して、それをインターネットの自動翻訳機を通したような文ですね。

ええ、原語版です。 (「小説」といっても実は選集だ。)

(せめてあの文章に戸惑うのは私だけではないね。)

 

[Ashikaga]

ええ、原語版です。 (「小説」といっても実は選集だ。)
(せめてあの文章に戸惑うのは私だけではないね。)

誰の何と言う作品ですか？ また、前後の文もあるともっと分かりやすいかもしれません。

 

[indigozeal]

不明な作者で書いたファンタシー小説です。

 

[Ashikaga]

不明な作者で書いたファンタシー小説です。

作者不明でタイトルも無し？ どこで見つけ た ん で す か？ 日本語が母国語の人が書いたものではない で しょう。

前後の文がわかればそれなりの解釈は出来るので、是非書いてください。

 

[Elizabeth]

日本語が母国語の人が書いたものではない で しょう。

へ？わたしも疑問に思ってたんですよね。

ちょっと変な出版物からも、前に、indigozealさんは、別の誤文を見つかって書き込みましたので。。。

 

[neokai]

「鳥は大好きな物、うわっついたもの、フワフワ夢うつつで、未知への期待がいっぱいだ。」
「うわっついたもの」と「フワフワ夢うつつで」という部分が分かりません。教授を記述していますか、鳥を記述していますか。そして、この分脈で「うわっついたもの」って何の意味ですか。ウエッブで"fleeting; ephemeral"と"faddish"以外に定義が見つかりません。
もう一度どうぞよろしくお願いします。

どうして急に全部日本語ばかりなんだ？

フワフワ is a sound-phrase. I dunno the exact term to call it, but it is a sound that describes a feeling/texture. dokidoki is an example of a sound phrase (describes the accelerated heartbeat when a person is excited). fuwa fuwa describes soft things (cuddly also comes to mind). So things like clouds, dreams, soft toys can be described by fuwa fuwa. If you watch anime, there is a song in the popular K-ON! anime that is called fuwafuwa time (フワフワ時間).

うわっついたもの - i think you copied part of the phrase wrongly上っ面 (うわっつら）いた物 comes up after I put your string of words through Jim Breen's WWWJDIC word search. 上っ面 - above, aboveground, outside, surface (as compared to underground). It can mean many things, since its basic meaning means "above" or "outside".

From the paragraph shown it appears to be a fanfic or doujin work. Pictures of the cover, urls, or any identifying marks will be very much welcomed. Heck, I might even start reading o

 

[Toritoribe]

窶堋､窶堙ｭ窶堙≫?堙や?堋｢窶堋ｽ; an emphasized expression of 窶｢窶喙窶堋､窶堙ｭ]窶堙や?堋｢窶堋ｽ, the ta-form of the verb 窶｢窶喙窶堋､窶堙ｭ]窶堙や?堋ｭ

 

[neokai]

It seems odd to describe birds as flippant, fickle creatures right? Or is he trying to say that the restlessness of birds is a compliment?

 

[Toritoribe]

I agree with ASHIKAGA. We need more context. But, at least, it's acceptable than the oddness of 上っ面いた.

 

[Jericho Desu]

Quick question; if I said 疲れさせてしまいました within a certain context can that mean I made myself tired (but I didn't want to) or do I have to say 疲れさせられてしまいました?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around using the passive/causative so plus forgive me

 

[Kirakira1232]

Using causative/passive to me feels more like you were "forced" to do something (by someone or something) and using causative alone is to make someone do something.

小さいころ、母が私に魚を食べさせた。
When I was little, my mother made me eat fish.

小さいころ、私が母に魚を食べさせられた。
When I was little I was made to eat fish by my mum.

You cant really see it here, but using the causative/passive construction feels like it was something you REALLY didnt want to do but someone made you do it anyway. Using causative on its own is maybe more neutral I think.

僕はピアノを弾くのが本当に好きでも親にピアノを売らせられた。
Even though I really loved playing piano, I was forced to sell my piano by my parents.

I don't think I've heard 疲れさせるor 疲れさせられる in terms of make yourself tired...疲れた on its own is pretty clear I think ^^;

 

[pocopoco]

Quick question; if I said 疲れさせてしまいました within a certain context can that mean I made myself tired (but I didn't want to) or do I have to say 疲れさせられてしまいました?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around using the passive/causative so plus forgive me

Neither. If you want to say "I made myself tired", 「疲れた」 or 「疲れてしまった」 is right, altough you cannot find out from these sentences whether you or another person made you tired. 「僕は自分を疲れさせてしまった」, directly translated from "I made myself tired", is less ambiguously, but fairly unnatural in Japanese.

「疲れさせてしまいました」 is used when you made someone else (not you) tired. 「疲れさせられてしまいました」 means that someone (not you) made you tired.

Note that literal translation from English into Japanese (vice versa) is not always good. I mean, there are a lot of sentences, especially passive/causative ones, which are very natural in English but very unnatural in Japanese.

 

[JoeTheHunter]

How to say these in Japanese:

Do you often play football?
I play football usually/rarely.

Thanks.

 

[neokai]

Football as in Association football? aka soccer.

Well the simplest sentence I can think of uses JLPT4 structures and verbs, so here you go.

サッカー を よくしますか？
はい、サッカー をよくします。

 

[Elizabeth]

How to say these in Japanese:

Do you often play football?
I play football usually/rarely.

Thanks.

よく（ｏｒ しばしば）サッカー を しますか？ Do you play soccer often (or "frequently")?

よくします。A lot.
（あまり）よくしません。Not so much.

 

[Elizabeth]

Quick question; if I said 疲れさせてしまいました within a certain context can that mean I made myself tired (but I didn't want to) or do I have to say 疲れさせられてしまいました?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around using the passive/causative so plus forgive me

緊張させる on the other hand, does make sense in the causative so is at least possible for implying strain or stress oneself mentally.... I believe in any case...having heard it. :?

(（（自分で）(自分自身を））緊張させる ??

 

[Toritoribe]

緊張させる on the other hand, does make sense in the causative so is at least possible for implying strain or stress oneself mentally.... I believe in any case...having heard it. :?

(（（自分で）(自分自身を））緊張させる ??

Right, 緊張させる can be used as a reflexive verb in somewhat literary expressions, but generally the object 自分（自身）を wouldn't be omitted in that usage, as same as 疲れさせる.

本番前に自分を緊張させ過ぎて失敗した。
I failed because I strained myself too much before the performance.

周りに気を使い過ぎて、いつも自分を疲れさせてしまう。
Since I'm too considerate of others, I always make myself tired.

 

[Jericho Desu]

Thanks guys, I think I got the jist of it

 

[FinancialWar]

Hi, I have a question that's been on my mind for a while now. How do I determine whether a kanji suru verb is transitive or intransitive. It is not shown on dictionaries.