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[J44xm]

「僕は日本語を勉強するのを止めることが出来ません。」

Is this a proper way to convey "I can't stop studying Japanese" with an undertone of duty or determination instead of a lack of ability? Is that 「のを」 combination grammatically legal? ありがとう。

(Epigeneさんへ . . . Yikes!)

 

[GoldCoinLover]

まずは、「先生」じゃありませ～ん！！

それと、働（はたら）かざるもの食（く）うべからず！
With the Japanese pension system on the brink of bankruptcy, everyone not categorized as 富裕層（ふゆうそう） must be working...

Interesting. ~, is not used in any textbook, etc. I've heard its used for emphasis, perhaps like the particle 'yo'? Makes no sense, yet I see it everyday. ☝

 

[Damicci]

~is used in text books to describe an unidentified noun normally, and to show how to use a general term.
When read you say "なになに"
For example. ～にいきます。[I will go to ~] This would be an example of how to use the verb いく to say your going to go "somewhere" in which ～（なになに） represents "somewhere". You would say in speech when reading aloud "なになににいきます"
You may also see ~ to show surprise or excitement
Ex:
Ａ：いきましょうか Ｓｈａｌｌ ｗｅ ｇｏ？
Ｂ：は～～～～～い Ｙｅａｈ！
Ｏｒ
Ａ：田中さん（たなかさん）はあたらしいくるまをかいました。
Mr Tanaka bought a new car.
Ｂ：なに～～～～？ほんとう～～～？
ＷＨＡＴ！？ＲＥＡＬＬＹ！?
This is how I have seen my friends and my girlfriend use it.

Click here for info on Yo and related particles.TaeKim's Guide to Japanese

 

[Elizabeth]

「僕は日本語を勉強するのを止めることが出来ません。」

Is this a proper way to convey "I can't stop studying Japanese" with an undertone of duty or determination instead of a lack of ability? Is that 「のを」 combination grammatically legal? ありがとう。

(Epigeneさんへ . . . Yikes!)

どちらでも文法的に正しいですが、

「僕は日本語の勉強を止めることが出来ませんよ。」のほうが自然だとおもいます。

「どんなに時間がかかっても日本語をマスターしたいと思う」とか「日本語を流暢話せるようになるためにいかなる努力も惜しまない」とか「誰も私の決意を変えられない」の意味になりやすいですね。」
J44xmさんの気持ちがよく分かります。

 

[Elizabeth]

そうっか。多分、日本人に聞きますでしょうね。。

ところで、普通の日本語としては「～ますでしょう」という言い方のほうがほとんど通らないとおもいます。In normal conversation, [～ますでしょう] doesn't usually pass as a Japanese way of speaking I think.

[ でも、英語で私に教えることが出来ないかな。]

ごめんなさい。辞書で、調べて『考える - consider, regard as ]と『思い - consider as」
では、違う使い方がしますよね。 で、私もそれに自信がなかったので。。。

 

[Damicci]

私の彼女はこの文「私は彼らを友達として考えていません」が大丈夫と言った。
でも、彼女の英語はままですから。私に英語で教えにくいです。「として」を使うのが所だけを分かりません。

 

[Elizabeth]

私の彼女はこの文「私は彼らを友達として考えていません」が大丈夫と言った。
でも、彼女の英語はままですから。私に英語で教えにくいです。「として」を使うのが所だけを分かりません。

確かに、大丈夫だとおもいます。「として」というのは as, in the role/capacity of, acting as
。。。こんな感じになるなんでしょう。 でも、「として考える」と「と考える」では
微妙なニュアンスや使い方の違いがあるかないかわからないのです。
「私は彼らを友達として考えていません」は I don't regard them as friends....
(but maybe as something else ?) と言う意味が言葉の裏側に隠れているかな？

これは、その当人同士でしか分からない事ですね。

 

[Buntaro]

Epigene-Sensei!

"With the Japanese pension system on the brink of bankruptcy, everyone not categorized as 富裕層（ふゆうそう） must be working...."

--> Bummer. Very bummer....

 

[Elizabeth]

Epigene-Sensei!

"With the Japanese pension system on the brink of bankruptcy, everyone not categorized as 富裕層（ふゆうそう） must be working...."

--> Bummer. Very bummer....

The main pressures Japanese workers I know complain about are not having a voice in personnel decisions and being jerked around by clients/superiors. On the other hand, it remains very difficult to get fired (although I suppose this also depends on the company) plus the bonus of monthly holidays and premium weeks like the one Epigene-san was probably working to get off for....

 

[Tsuki_x]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but what does the word "Deshita" mean?

 

[GoldCoinLover]

Hmm, I think shite means 'to do' or something, an action verb, 'de' is probably a particle, but honestly, beats me! Sorry

 

[hebiichigo]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but what does the word "Deshita" mean?

"deshita" is simply the past form of "desu".
It's not exactly a "word".. I don't know how to explain it well, though.

静かです。 shizuka desu. It is quiet.
静かでした。 shizuka deshita. It was quiet.

 

[Tsuki_x]

Well I constantly hear it on interviews of bands,
they'll say like.
"alice nine deshita"

 

[Damicci]

deshita is used to make a sentence past tense. desu is present tense. if you see or hear deshita it means something WAS something. deshita is a copula conjugated from desu.

 

[Glenn]

Right, as in "that was Alice Nine."

 

[Tsuki_x]

Ahhh, thank you all so much for clearing that up for me.

 

[J44xm]

どちらでも文法的に正しいですが、

「僕は日本語の勉強を止めることが出来ませんよ。」のほうが自然だとおもいます。

「どんなに時間がかかっても日本語をマスターしたいと思う」とか「日本語を流暢話せるようになるためにいかなる努力も惜しまない」とか「誰も私の決意を変えられない」の意味になりやすいですね。」
J44xmさんの気持ちがよく分かります。

It'll take me a bit of time to read all of this, but thanks much. ^_^

 

[Damicci]

Just a quick note from my break at work (これは内緒！）

みなす is used for business and law and not with friends.

私はもう彼らを友達（だ）と思ってません。
私はもう彼らを友達（だ）と考えてません。(slightly stronger)
are OK.

Mata-ne! (very busy now... )

Ｅｐｉｇｅｎｅさん、元気？ 仕事中頑張って。
ごめん、今から私はこの返事を読んでいました。それから良く分かりました。ありがとうございました。

 

[Elizabeth]

It'll take me a bit of time to read all of this, but thanks much. ^_^;

実は、重要な事だけは以下です。^o^


どちらでも文法的に正しいですが、

「僕は日本語の勉強を止めることが出来ませんよ。」の ほうが自然だとおもいます。

 

[J44xm]

「僕は日本語の勉強を止めることが出来ませんよ。」の ほうが自然だとおもいます。

ありがとう。がんばることが続く。ハー！とても嬉しい！日本語を勉強することが好きですよ。

 

[kumo]

がんばることが続く。

I think this should be 頑張り続けます, though simply saying これからも頑張ります is more natural, I think.

 

[J44xm]

I think this should be 頑張り続けます, though simply saying これからも頑張ります is more natural, I think.

そうですね。ありがとう。

 

[Elizabeth]

そうですね。ありがとう。

Ganbarimasu alone is fine since the time aspect is ambiguous (now and in the future) and 'Kore kara mo ganbaru' (from now on....) may imply you haven't been doing your best to date. It is usually said at the start of a big project, as a pledge to improve after not working so hard, when first meeting a business associate or colleague as a general statement of goodwill and good intent. Nothing that applies particularly well here.

 

[Glenn]

I would think that kore kara ganbaru would imply that you haven't been doing your best to date, but kore kara mo ganbaru implies that you will do your best from now on, as well as you have been doing before. That mo makes a big difference.

 

[Elizabeth]

I would think that kore kara ganbaru would imply that you haven't been doing your best to date, but kore kara mo ganbaru implies that you will do your best from now on, as well as you have been doing before. That mo makes a big difference.

I think maybe the mo acts here as sort of an intensifier (more like from now until forever) compared with kore kara ha or just kore kara -- at least the way it has been explained to me. Otherwise, why would you ever hear "imo mo kore kara mo" ? The examples I checked on Jim Breen also support that usage, but there may be other situations in which it could be used to mean 'continue' as well.