Need a word or phrase translated?
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Elizabeth said:
Thanks to Ralian and Elizabeth san! Now I have some clue as to the use of 気持ち、思い ｖｓ 感情。 I was trying to express a strong emotional feeling in Mayumi san's example. I'm still polishing my English, so I don't really know about the difference that "haven't changed" or hadn't changed makes to my sentence.
Ok, assuming I had meant "hadn't changed" (変わっていなかった）、what is the nuance or subtle meaning that is being conveyed in Mayumi san's example as compared to "haven't changed" (変わらない）？
Glenn said:
I see. I think the same way too. Therefore I was a little confused when the haven't changed" (変わらない） or "hadn't changed" (（変わっていなかった） suggestion came up. I wondered why the past tense of haven't changed wasn't 変わらなかった。 But of course I'm not blaming anyone here, just thinking a bit deeper on what people have said.
Elizabeth
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Isn't 変わらなかった closer to "didn't change" ?Kirisame said:I see. I think the same way too. Therefore I was a little confused when the haven't changed" (変わらない） or "hadn't changed" (（変わっていなかった） suggestion came up. I wondered why the past tense of haven't changed wasn't 変わらなかった。 But of course I'm not blaming anyone here, just thinking a bit deeper on what people have said.
Anyway, I'd just like to know when they are used without worrying about a precise mapping of terminologies.At least speaking in the affirmative seems easier.
"kawatta" can be "has/have changed" or just "changed," although I wouldn't use the latter quite as naturally in English.Elizabeth said:
Yep, I agree with Elizabeth san. It's when they are used that's really important. speaking of "kawatta", I'm really surprised at how versatile this word can actually be. Hearing them used in dramas and anime, makes me want to learn more about Japanese.
ralian
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In my opinion, when you are talking to Mayumi face to face you would use present tense and say:
「きみへの気持ちは、今でも変わらない。」
「好きだよ」
It's because you want her to understand how you feel now.
Next one is in past tense、and how he feels now is not clear.
「真弓さんへの気持ちは、ずっと変わらなかった。」
「好きだった」
Next one tells that his feeling has not been changed (and still feel the same.)
「真弓さんへの気持ちは、全く変わっていなかった。」
「今でも好きだよ」
「きみへの気持ちは、今でも変わらない。」
「好きだよ」
It's because you want her to understand how you feel now.
Next one is in past tense、and how he feels now is not clear.
「真弓さんへの気持ちは、ずっと変わらなかった。」
「好きだった」
Next one tells that his feeling has not been changed (and still feel the same.)
「真弓さんへの気持ちは、全く変わっていなかった。」
「今でも好きだよ」
He did/does not change his mind toward her even in a situation, say, where Mayumi dumped A before.
Then they met each other and fell in love again.
A wants to say he loves her so much.
たとえ、まゆみにふられても、まゆみへの思いは変わらなかった。
今もまゆみを愛している。そして、未来もまゆみを愛する。
This might be grammatically correct when A says to Mayumi. But situations like in your love affairs, TV drama, Manga or whatever, the eloquence is not necessarily needed, I suppose.
So you may use the past tense in the present state in a certain situation.
I am not a linguist, so I cannot explain much about the usage of 「てい」. But when you put it in verbs, it add some meanings like continuous state or something like that.
まゆみのAへの思いは変わった。simple past
Aの思いは変わらなかった。simple past
Aの思いは変わっていなかった。past in a continuous state
Then they met each other and fell in love again.
A wants to say he loves her so much.
たとえ、まゆみにふられても、まゆみへの思いは変わらなかった。
今もまゆみを愛している。そして、未来もまゆみを愛する。
This might be grammatically correct when A says to Mayumi. But situations like in your love affairs, TV drama, Manga or whatever, the eloquence is not necessarily needed, I suppose.
So you may use the past tense in the present state in a certain situation.
I am not a linguist, so I cannot explain much about the usage of 「てい」. But when you put it in verbs, it add some meanings like continuous state or something like that.
まゆみのAへの思いは変わった。simple past
Aの思いは変わらなかった。simple past
Aの思いは変わっていなかった。past in a continuous state
I know what you mean. I should have used the present perfect for the sentence, he did/does not change his mind toward her even in a situation, say, where Mayumi dumped A before.
But the first question was the reason why you can use the past sentence in the present situation. If I used the present perfect, I would have to explain the very complex relationship between the tense and the aspect, or even the mood in J grammer. So I simply used "did/does" in the sentence.
a)まゆみへの思いは変わらなかった。simple past
b)まゆみへの思いは変わっていなかった。past perfect
There are the grammatical differences between the above. And if you read only the sentence, a) or b), you think Mayumi should ask a question like
What does he think of Mayumi NOW???
And the sentence would be better that まゆみへの思いは（今でも）変わっていない。present perfect
Even though the differences, it does not matter if you use a) or b) in the situation, I suppose. Why? Because they love each others now and A just wants to show his love now using his past as an example.
There might be only a sentence "I love you", but there might be millions of ways to show your love to your partner.
英語の勉強を始めて10年以上経っても、私の英語力は変わっていなかった。
But the first question was the reason why you can use the past sentence in the present situation. If I used the present perfect, I would have to explain the very complex relationship between the tense and the aspect, or even the mood in J grammer. So I simply used "did/does" in the sentence.
a)まゆみへの思いは変わらなかった。simple past
b)まゆみへの思いは変わっていなかった。past perfect
There are the grammatical differences between the above. And if you read only the sentence, a) or b), you think Mayumi should ask a question like
What does he think of Mayumi NOW???
And the sentence would be better that まゆみへの思いは（今でも）変わっていない。present perfect
Even though the differences, it does not matter if you use a) or b) in the situation, I suppose. Why? Because they love each others now and A just wants to show his love now using his past as an example.
There might be only a sentence "I love you", but there might be millions of ways to show your love to your partner.
英語の勉強を始めて10年以上経っても、私の英語力は変わっていなかった。
Elizabeth
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詳しい返事してくれてどうもありがとう。pipokun said:
ところで、英語でも日本語でも、
現在完了形くらいのタイミングも同じではないのでしょうかな？
英語の現在完了形ではタイミングの使い方がちょっと変わりやすいなので、
ちょっと分からない日本人が多いでしょう。
とにかく、日本語では、「誰かへの思い（気持ち」は「誰かを愛してる」ということですか？
日本語独特の遠まわしな言い方で、ストレートな表現が多い英語に
慣れているとわかりにくいですよね。
私の場合も 恋人と結婚したら、恋愛の対象と言うよりは家族の
一員みたいなものですけど。
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Elizabeth, I don't know how you can write japanese so well, not being a native japanese. That is smashing
I need this picture translated. It's in japanese. Good news! I'm getting Japanese For Dummies book and a kanji reference guide! I can't wait. I will be able to read japanese.
I need this picture translated. It's in japanese. Good news! I'm getting Japanese For Dummies book and a kanji reference guide! I can't wait. I will be able to read japanese.
そうですね。
そうだと思います。でも、誰かを愛していると言う事は、必ずしも誰かから愛されていると言う事ではありません。例の場合だと、まゆみが、今Aを好きではない場合
Aはストーカーにもなりえます。
英語と日本語の時制の使い方の違いは、今でも研究されているみたいです。
例えば、
a)まゆみが日本にいる時に、かっこいい男に会った。
b)まゆみが日本にいた時に、かっこいい男に会った。
英語では、
When Mayumi was in Japan, she met a cool guy.
英語の視点→書き手、話し手、読み手
日本語の視点→書き手、話し手、読み手、まゆみ
まゆみの視点で、時制を考える事ができるので、現在時制と過去時制が両立する事ができる。
文法は難しいですね。
江戸時代の八百屋お七という女性を知っていますか？
好きな人に会いたい為に、放火をしようとした…
Can I get some help with translating these to Japanese? Thanks!
I will be staying at the beaufort hotel in Taiwan during the event next month.
来月、私わ台湾のホテルにいます。
Raigetsu, watashi wa taiwan no beaufort hotel ni imasu.
Is anyone else staying there? I'd love to meet up with the other people who frequent this message board.
何人もいますか?
Nampito mo imasu ka?
ホームページの看客,一緒に会いましょわいいです。
Homupeeji no kakkaku, Issho ni aimasho wa ii desu.
I will be staying at the beaufort hotel in Taiwan during the event next month.
来月、私わ台湾のホテルにいます。
Raigetsu, watashi wa taiwan no beaufort hotel ni imasu.
Is anyone else staying there? I'd love to meet up with the other people who frequent this message board.
何人もいますか?
Nampito mo imasu ka?
ホームページの看客,一緒に会いましょわいいです。
Homupeeji no kakkaku, Issho ni aimasho wa ii desu.
I think another way of saying you will be staying in a taiwanese hotel will be
来月 私は台湾のホテルに泊まっています。
In my opinion the particle mo need not be included if you are just simply asking how many people are there.
そこに泊まっている人がいますか？ホームページに立ち寄る皆さんに合えたらいいな。 Just a small try.
Elizabeth
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そのうち慣れてきて何もかもが当たり前になってきてね。GoldCoinLover said:Elizabeth, I don't know how you can write Japanese so well, not being a native Japanese. That is smashing
I need this picture translated. It's in Japanese. Good news! I'm getting Japanese For Dummies book and a kanji reference guide! I can't wait. I will be able to read Japanese.
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Elizabeth
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何もかも; 何も彼も 【なにもかも】 (adv,exp,n) anything and everything; just about everythingKirisame said:
I first found this in the context of the stages a relationship passes through over time -- through romance, love, marriage, family, etc. Not sure it works here or not, but thanks for the translation.
Glenn
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GoldCoinLover said:I need this picture translated. It's in japanese. Good news! I'm getting Japanese For Dummies book and a kanji reference guide! I can't wait. I will be able to read japanese.
・・・・・・よく言いやがった！
I want to say that this is "now you've done it!" but I'm not sure if that's really right. I know it has some feeling and meaning close to that.
そこまで言うんならやってやるよ！
"If you're gonna say that then I'll do it (to you)!" Somehow I think context would really help this one.
泣いてもしらねーからな。覚悟決めろよ！
"I'm not gonna care even if you cry. Prepare yourself (for the worst)!"
Any help is appreciated.
