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CorDarei · 16 Nov 2004

jt_ said:
Hmm... This is purely subjective, but I don't see anything "offhand" or "oh well" about it. It's not like the person responded to a question of whether s/he would personally prefer a 恋愛結婚 or an お見合い結婚 with "Who cares?" -- that might surprise me a bit too.

But in this case, the person was just asked whether s/he agrees or disagrees with arranged marriages (in general), and s/he responded basically that, (for those people for whom it might not be such a bad idea) they should have that option. That doesn't really strike me as a particularly surprising response.

Also, the person's reply didn't actually include どっちもいい。 What they said was "お見合い結婚という選択肢があっても良いと思います。" which I would translate more as "I don't see anything wrong with having the choice." and doesn't sound at all offhand to me. If it was "どっちも構いません。" then it would sound offhand ^_^. Just my 一円.

Eve · 17 Nov 2004

whut does this mean?

"anata wo zutto wasurenai yo"

kara · 17 Nov 2004

"anata wo zutto wasurenai yo"
--->"I'll never forget you"

Eve · 18 Nov 2004

thxs buddy

Pox · 18 Nov 2004

I sometimes see some of the members on the forum using "～～～～, ne?"
are they using the word as Japanese?

たまたま日本語と英語で同じ意味があったり？
ど～～なってるのー。

bentenmusume · 18 Nov 2004

Poxさんのおっしゃる現象、僕も最近よく見たりしますね。

しかしこれはやはり、日本語と同じ意味の「ne」という言葉が英語にもあるというより、
日本語の学習者（あるいはアニメとかで聞いて覚えた人）が日本語の「ね」をそのまま
導入してるのだと思います。

日本語が全く分からない英語話者にはおそらく通じないでしょう。

Glenn · 18 Nov 2004

そうですね。私もその「ね」を時々使います。なぜか。英語でそっくりの単語はたぶん「ｅｈ？」とか「ｒｉｇｈｔ？」なんですが、異国風に聞こえたいこともあります（この部分が分かるといいですがね）。そんな時にはその「ね」を使いますよ。

CorDarei · 18 Nov 2004

Glenn said:
そうですね。私もその「ね」を時々使います。なぜか。英語でそっくりの単語はたぶん「eh?」とか「right?」なんですが、異国風に聞こえたいこともあります（この部分が分かるといいですがね）。そんな時にはその「ね」を使いますよ。

まったくその通りであろう。で、私の個人的な意見なんですけど、「ne」を使った文を読むとなんとなく頭にきます。なんか｢あほうくせぇ｣って感じ。使うのは悪いことじゃないのに．．．(I'd look up the Japanese word for "uncharitable," but I'm too lazy and it's 2AM right now.) 同感な方はいらっしゃらないでしょうか？（いや、少ない方がいいかな）

Elizabeth · 18 Nov 2004

Pox said:
I sometimes see some of the members on the forum using "～～～～, ne?"
are they using the word as Japanese?

たまたま日本語と英語で同じ意味があったり？
ど～～なってるのー。

始めてすぐの頃外人が日本人の割りに窶?#12397;窶?#12434;使いすぎるかという本当の質問ですが、Poxさんはそうは思いませんか。「ね」という言葉は自体には意味はあまりない場合が多いと思うので、[Right, yes ?] と言うのは英語の直訳で日本語ではちょっと不自然に聞こえるのでしょう？。

恐らく、相手に同意を求めてるわけでもあるし、相手が知っていると思っているわけでもあるし
会話を柔らかくしているのに使いますね。といという私の意見です。

PaulTB · 18 Nov 2004

注意："～～～～, ne?" の～～～～は実にEnglishEnglishEnglishだと思います。

すなわち、"There's far too much political crap in the chat forum these days, ne?" のような文です。

CorDarei · 19 Nov 2004

PaulTB said:
注意："～～～～, ne?" の～～～～は実にEnglishEnglishEnglishだと思います。

すなわち、"There's far too much political crap in the chat forum these days, ne?" のような文です。

いや～、言えてますね、ほんとに。ここでかたいこと言わないで楽しくやってりゃいいのにね。＜ーほら、この子のように

Eve · 19 Nov 2004

how do you say "Am I Alive, or Dead?"

Buntaro · 19 Nov 2004

Am I Alive, or Dead?
---> Watashi wa ikite imasu ka? Soretomo, shinde imasu ka?

Pox · 20 Nov 2004

about ね？

As PaulTB-san put it, I was saying about "English sentence+comma+ne?"
I was wondering whether "ne" is English or not. :?

確かに、あまり意味は無い気もします。

「いい？もう二度とこんなことしちゃ駄目よ？ね？」（普通女性が子供とかを優しく叱るときに）

とか

「この映画おもしろかったでしょ、ね？」（相手に同意を期待している）

などが思いつくんですが、これを英語に訳す場合、right?とかが一番近いんですかね？

"I surprised you, didnt I?"
驚いたでしょ、ね？

こういう文章の、"didn't I?" も文脈によっては「ね？」で訳せる気も・・・？

PaulTB · 20 Nov 2004

Pox said:
As PaulTB-san put it, I was saying about "English sentence+comma+ne?"
I was wondering whether "ne" is English or not. :?

Hmm, it might pass for English, neh?
And it's quite similar to Canadian, eh?
but overall I think it probably isn't.

bentenmusume · 20 Nov 2004

Pox said:
As PaulTB-san put it, I was saying about "English sentence+comma+ne?"
I was wondering whether "ne" is English or not.

I tried to answer this above, but it seems that either my Japanese was incomprehensible or my explanation was unclear, so let me try to clarify myself in English.

As far as I know, there is no "ne" in American English (and I assume other forms of English, though I'm not qualified to speak about them). I think these people who are using "ne?" at the end of English sentences are either learners of Japanese or people who have picked it up from watching anime, and they're simply mixing in the Japanese "ne" with their English. I think the average native English speaker with no knowledge of Japanese would not understand this and would find it quite strange, although they might be able to deduce the meaning from the intonation, context, and as Paul points out, the resemblence to the Canadian "eh?" which has a very similar range of meanings.

I, personally, am not a fan of this, as I think it sounds kind of silly. I'm not quite sure why people do this, although I imagine that some people (especially teenage female anime fans) probably think they sound "cute", and others seem like they're trying to show off the fact that they can "speak Japanese", even though many of them probably have no real knowledge of the language outside of a few simple phrases. Still others probably just do it because they find it to be a convenient expression, but like Pox-san points out, there are plenty of perfectly natural English expressions that mean the same thing, so I don't really see why it's necessary to use the Japanese "ne" when speaking English.

Eve · 20 Nov 2004

thank you mr. buntaro sir

kisu · 20 Nov 2004

How to say:

I missed you?, and I miss you?
Tell me about your trip. 旅行について教えてね？ (I think there must be a correct-er way...)

Also.. are these correct?:

お帰り (welcome back.. can you say this welcoming someone back from a trip?)
旅行はどうでした？ (how was your trip?)

how to say: have fun, will it be fun? I don't know these tenses for this word...

~Kisu

Elizabeth · 20 Nov 2004

日本語を勉強するのに興味が無い若い人でよくＸＸＸ「ね」。。。。などと使う人がいますが、私もその使い方は嫌いです。

でも、そういう文の意味が特にわからなくならなったりとても不自然な感じを与えたりしているだけなら、使い方を間違っていると言うことでしょう。

CorDarei · 21 Nov 2004

kisu said:
How to say:

I missed you?, and I miss you?
Tell me about your trip. 旅行について教えてね？ (I think there must be a correct-er way...)

I missed you - 会いたかった
I miss you - 会いたい

I think your translation for "tell me about your trip" is good, although I might say 話して instead of 教えて. However, I don't think I would ever say that to anyone, even in English; it sounds too blunt, or forceful, or something. If I want to know about someone's trip, I ask "How was your trip?" Speaking of which...

kisu said:
Also.. are these correct?:

お帰り (welcome back.. can you say this welcoming someone back from a trip?)
旅行はどうでした？ (how was your trip?)

how to say: have fun, will it be fun? I don't know these tenses for this word...

Yes, both of those are correct. A more polite/formal form of お帰り would be お帰りなさい, but お帰り is fine if you know the person fairly well.

Have fun - 楽しんでってね or 楽しんで行ってください
Will it be fun? - I would say 楽しみにしてますか？ which is really more like "Are you looking forward to it?", but that's what I would say in English anyway.

日本語ガンバッってくださいよ！

kisu · 21 Nov 2004

Thank you ^^ hehe

Is there any other way to say i miss(ed) you, that's more famiiliar and stuff... I've heard so many ways.. but none of them that seem to be used more ><; Maybe it's just me...

Elizabeth · 21 Nov 2004

kisu said:
Thank you ^^ hehe

Is there any other way to say i miss(ed) you, that's more famiiliar and stuff... I've heard so many ways.. but none of them that seem to be used more ><; Maybe it's just me...

This has come up so many times. Please use the search function, Kisu.
As for "tell me about your trip," qualified by "when you have time" I usually use something on the variations below :

いろいろと、お土産話を(教えて)聞かせてくださいね or simply 旅行(の事)について教えて(聞かせて)くださいね。

bentenmusume · 21 Nov 2004

I agree with almost everything you say here, but just a few points.

CorDarei said:
I think your translation for "tell me about your trip" is good, although I might say 話して instead of 教えて. However, I don't think I would ever say that to anyone, even in English; it sounds too blunt, or forceful, or something. If I want to know about someone's trip, I ask "How was your trip?"

Well, but there are some situations where the two wouldn't exactly be interchangable. For example, in English I might say something like "Tell me all about it when you get back (or next time you write, or next time we speak on the phone, etc.)"

In this case, I think something like 「旅行の話聞かせてね」 wouldn't be too blunt or forceful or anything, don't you think?

CorDarei said:
Have fun - 楽しんでってね or 楽しんで行ってください

Hmm, if this is something you're saying to someone about to leave on vacation, don't you think that 「楽しんできてね」 or 「楽しんできてください」 would be better? My sense is that (and a quick google search for both phrases seems to back up my suspicions) if it's 行く, it sounds more like "have fun (here) before you go." If you're trying to say "have fun (on your trip, and then come back)" then I think you'd want くる instead.

CorDarei said:
Will it be fun? - I would say 楽しみにしてますか？ which is really more like "Are you looking forward to it?", but that's what I would say in English anyway.

This would probably be fine if you were genuinely unsure (and wanted to ask) whether or not the person in question was looking forward to the trip or not, but assuming that he/she is giving any signs at all the the trip is going to be fun, I'd probably go with 「楽しみでしょうね」 ("You must be looking forward to it") or (in the right context) 「楽しそうですね」 ("Sounds like it'll be fun.")

Just my two cents.

(edit-- Oops! Elizabeth's post seems to have come up before mine saying almost the same things about 「（旅行の話）聞かせてね」. Oh well, I'll leave it up anyway.)

Elizabeth · 21 Nov 2004

Hmm, if this is something you're saying to someone about to leave on vacation, don't you think that 「楽しんできてね」 or 「楽しんできてください」 would be better? My sense is that (and a quick google search for both phrases seems to back up my suspicions) if it's 行く, it sounds more like "have fun (here) before you go." If you're trying to say "have fun (on your trip, and then come back)" then I think you'd want くる instead.

Yeah, and most naturally reduced to "楽しんでくださいね" accompanied by 楽しみ（でしょう）だね。before they leave, and then something like (思い切り)楽しんできましたか？ when they get back. You can also give more set leave-takings as in as "どうぞ楽しい旅行を（してください）窶?#65281;いってらしあいい。。。。

bentenmusume · 21 Nov 2004

Elizabeth said:
Yeah, and most naturally reduced to "楽しんでくださいね" ...

(This is a nit-picky point, but I can't resist.)

Of course, you can leave out the きて, but I wouldn't say that it's "most naturally" reduced to that. I think in the case of someone going on vacation it's equally (if not more) natural to say 「楽しんできてください」 as compared to just 「楽しんでください」, because of the sense of motion involved. (I mean, look at your own examples of 「楽しんできましたか？」 and 「行ってらっしゃい」, both of which contain verbs of motion.)

A quick google search gives me:

760件 for 「旅行楽しんでね」
9,170件 for 「旅行楽しんできてね」

2,810件 for 「旅行楽しんでください」
10,800件 for 「旅行楽しんできてください」

Again, a minor point, but I'm just a nit-picker like that.

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