Need a word or phrase translated?

epigene · 21 May 2007

J44xm said:
文法的ですが、不自然なわけですか。それで、日本語でどうやって自然に表現できますか。

文法的に間違いか、というと間違いではないでしょう。
不自然かどうかに関しては、変に感じるのは私だけかもしれない、と思っています。なぜなら、「学校までジョギングで行く」、「学校までジョギングして行く」は、実際使われています。そのため、使ってもいいのではないかと書きました。
でも、わたしだったら、「ジョギングをする」または、「ジョギングで」＋動詞で文を作ります。
"I jogged to Seiyu, ate lunch there, and then jogged back to school."
「西友までジョギングし、そこでお昼を食べ、学校までジョギングで帰りました。」
Ｊ４４ｘｍさんの表現に対するこの変な違和感は、もしかしたら世代間の言語感覚の違いかもしれません。ほかの日本人にも聞いてみてくださいね。

Kyoo;469136 said:
Could someone translate this?
I cant' read kanji or speak Japanese or anything, so I don't have a clue what it means.
Thank you.

It means "But I only want to believe in Rikka."
Rikka means "the first day of summer" in the traditional Japanese calendar. However, this definition seems to be inappropriate for the sentence. Maybe it's being used as a girl's name?
Hope it helps!

Elizabeth · 22 May 2007

epigene said:
文法的に間違いか、というと間違いではないでしょう。
不自然かどうかに関しては、変に感じるのは私だけかもしれない、と思っています。なぜなら、「学校までジョギングで行く」、「学校までジョギングして行く」は、実際使われています。そのため、使ってもいいのではないかと書きました。

一般的に、「ジョギングは交通手段じゃなくて、単に健康になるためだけの運動である」と思われているからね。☺

J44xm · 22 May 2007

そうですか。英語とかなり違いますね。「I walked to school」と「I jogged to school」と「I ran to school」は全部大丈夫ですから。

ありがとうございました。いつもと同じ、いい勉強になりました！

Elizabeth · 22 May 2007

J44xm said:
そうですか。英語とかなり違いますね。「I walked to school」と「I jogged to school」と「I ran to school」は全部大丈夫ですから。

ありがとうございました。いつもと同じ、いい勉強になりました！

日本語でも文法的には、問題ないともいますが、「学校にジョギングした」理由を言わなかったら、
通学する方法としては、ちょっと珍しいですね。ほとんどの学生のバッグは重すぎるからね。。。

Fuumei · 22 May 2007

Normally I wouldn't ask this kind of complicated question, but I just had to - in order to get a feel of exactly what kind of question this is.

例と同じ使い方をみつける問題

(Questions about finding the same way of using (a word) as the example)

(例) 飛ばす-------------間をぬかして先へ進む。

To Omit ---- (Kan?) Overlook a moment and go on ahead.

Now, what confused me here is the comparison between the word "Tobasu" and the text to the right. It is as it appears in the book. I assume it's just the definition, correct? If so, then I suppose I've answered my own question.

epigene · 22 May 2007

Fuumei said:
Normally I wouldn't ask this kind of complicated question, but I just had to - in order to get a feel of exactly what kind of question this is.
例と同じ使い方をみつける問題
(Questions about finding the same way of using (a word) as the example)
(例) 飛ばす-------------間をぬかして先へ進む。
To Omit ---- (Kan?) Overlook a moment and go on ahead.
Now, what confused me here is the comparison between the word "Tobasu" and the text to the right. It is as it appears in the book. I assume it's just the definition, correct? If so, then I suppose I've answered my own question.

Yes, you have. 間 is read "ma" when used independently as a noun.

Kyoo · 23 May 2007

epigene said:
It means "But I only want to believe in Rikka."
Rikka means "the first day of summer" in the traditional Japanese calendar. However, this definition seems to be inappropriate for the sentence. Maybe it's being used as a girl's name?
Hope it helps!

Arigatou gozaimashita

It helped really much ! Now I know it says; Ritsuka dake wo shinjitai no ni.

fine82 · 23 May 2007

Osaka-ben.

I am trying to become more familiar with Osaka-ben and have a few questions about the dialect. Would anyone be able to translate the following underlined parts into the standard?

1. ウチは待ってんねんで、あんたの情報をな

2. なんとしてでも、このウチがスクープしたるねん

3. 気合い入れなあかんで。明日は試合やから。

4。これは高いねんで、ただなんて、まっぴらだ (a person refuses to give something to someone because it is expensive)

5. 情報があるねん

the part 『ねん』 has appeared quite a few times (in questions 1,2,4, and 5) and in each of the situations it seems to have a completely different meaning.

in question 1 it would seem like 待ってんねんで would be 待っていた。
in question 4 it would seem like 高いねんで would be 高いから in standard
in question 5, 情報があるねん seems like 情報があるね (just ね)

It would be great if anyone could shed some light.

epigene · 23 May 2007

I'm not a Kansai-ben speaker, but this is how I would translate them into Tokyo-speak:

fine82 said:
1. ウチは待ってんねんで、あんたの情報をな

私は待っているんですよ、あなたの情報をね。

2. なんとしてでも、このウチがスクープしたるねん

なんとしてでも、この私がスクープするつもりだ。

3. 気合い入れなあかんで。明日は試合やから。

気合いをいれなくちゃ。（気合いをいれなくては。）明日は試合なのだから。

4。これは高いねんで、ただなんて、まっぴらだ (a person refuses to give something to someone because it is expensive)

これは高いんだよ。ただなんて、まっぴらだ。

5. 情報があるねん

情報があるんだ。

HTH!

fine82 · 23 May 2007

Thank you epigene.
So 『したる』 is 『つもり』 in Tokyo speak?
While I was waiting for a reply, I thought about it and came up with the conclusion that maybe 『したる』 meant 『してやる』。as in スクープしてやる！

Because 『しておく』 is usually shortened to 『しとく』。 As in 宿題しとく。

So it is 『つもり』 is it?

Once again, thank you.

J44xm · 23 May 2007

Elizabeth said:
日本語でも文法的には、問題ないともいますが、「学校にジョギングした」理由を言わなかったら、
通学する方法としては、ちょっと珍しいですね。ほとんどの学生のバッグは重すぎるからね。。。

まあ、そう言えばそうですね。わ～、ちょっと難しくなってきました。教えてくれてありがとう！

Elizabeth · 23 May 2007

fine82 said:
Thank you epigene.
So 『したる』 is 『つもり』 in Tokyo speak?
While I was waiting for a reply, I thought about it and came up with the conclusion that maybe 『したる』 meant 『してやる』。as in スクープしてやる！
Because 『しておく』 is usually shortened to 『しとく』。 As in 宿題しとく。
So it is 『つもり』 is it?
Once again, thank you.

Of course not knowing myself either I asked an Osaka jin friend this morning. Here is her take on the sentence.

「つもり」より、もっと強い意志をこめてスクープするぞ、、というような意気込みが感じられる文です。

Elizabeth · 23 May 2007

J44xm said:
まあ、そう言えばそうですね。わ～、ちょっと難しくなってきました。教えてくれてありがとう！

そうですね。、ともなく、ダイエット中の女子学生じゃないんだよ。
陸上競技チームのメンバーかもしれないかな。。。

Fuumei · 25 May 2007

This line comes from a book I'm currently reading, about a man looking over a woman who is convinced she is going to die. The sentence is about her facial features, mostly regarding her eyes:

大きな潤いのある眼で、長い睫に包まれた中は、ただ一面に真黒であった。

"Eyes that had great tenderness and among wrapped in her long eyelashes was just pure black on the whole surface."

包まれた中 = Passive form of tsutsumu(?) was wrapped (among) Chuu

ただ一面に真黒であった。 = This sentence confused me the most, and I'm not sure if I made the translation correctly. The way I worded it does seem a bit rough too. Any thoughts? I would appreciate it.

epigene · 25 May 2007

Fuumei said:
大きな潤いのある眼で、長い睫に包まれた中は、ただ一面に真黒であった。
"Eyes that had great tenderness and among wrapped in her long eyelashes was just pure black on the whole surface."
包まれた中 = Passive form of tsutsumu(?) was wrapped (among) Chuu
ただ一面に真黒であった。 = This sentence confused me the most, and I'm not sure if I made the translation correctly. The way I worded it does seem a bit rough too. Any thoughts? I would appreciate it.

I think the confusion stems from omission.

（それは）大きな潤いのある眼で、長い睫に包まれた中は、ただ一面に真黒であった。

The first part of this compound sentence means:
(Hers) were large, moist eyes...

The subject of the second part is "naka," meaning the eye(s):
The interior surrounded by long lashes was completely black on the surface.

FYI:
ただ is used to emphasize completeness or thoroughness
一面 translated into "on the surface" might suggest superficialness in English, but it is not and is just another expression suggesting completeness.

In essence, the translation would be something like:
Her eyes were large and moist. Surrounded by long lashes, all that could be seen was blackness inside.

Fuumei · 25 May 2007

epigene said:
FYI:
ただ is used to emphasize completeness or thoroughness
一面 translated into "on the surface" might suggest superficialness in English, but it is not and is just another expression suggesting completeness.
In essence, the translation would be something like:
Her eyes were large and moist. Surrounded by long lashes, all that could be seen was blackness inside.

So you yourself do not see it as "on the surface"? There are a few different meanings that I've found for 一面 so I'm not sure how I should define it. Also, this is the first time I've seen Tada used in such a strange way.. (Strange to me at least since I'm only heard it used as "just..." or "tada no saru desu (Just a monkey). So, in the end, what kind of definition or feeling would you say "tada ichimen" gives? Hopefully it's not one of those really hard to explain in English phrases. Those are always troublesome.

epigene · 25 May 2007

Fuumei said:
So, in the end, what kind of definition or feeling would you say "tada ichimen" gives? Hopefully it's not one of those really hard to explain in English phrases. Those are always troublesome.

Yes, it's one of those phrases...

"Tada ichimen" is used to suggest sweeping coverage, free of alien objects, impurity, etc.
In the case of the sentence you gave, of course, it means absence of colors other than black.

山は、ただ一面の雪だった。
The mountain was completely covered with snow.
草原は、ただ一面の花が広がっていた。
The plain was covered with flowers. / Flowers spread across the plain.

Fuumei · 25 May 2007

epigene said:
Yes, it's one of those phrases... :emoji_flushed:
"Tada ichimen" is used to suggest sweeping coverage, free of alien objects, impurity, etc.
In the case of the sentence you gave, of course, it means absence of colors other than black.
山は、ただ一面の雪だった。
The mountain was completely covered with snow.
草原は、ただ一面の花が広がっていた。
The plain was covered with flowers. / Flowers spread across the plain.

Oh brilliant. Thanks for giving those examples, they really help.

I investigated some more and perhaps it could be read as "In the entire surface it was [solely] pure black".

[I translated 'tada' into solely/merely]

I think that fits into what you explained, but I am usually wrong so.. if you have time once more, I'd like to hear what you think. I apologize. :emoji_blush:

epigene · 25 May 2007

Fuumei said:
I investigated some more and perhaps it could be read as "In the entire surface it was [solely] pure black".
[I translated 'tada' into solely/merely]
I think that fits into what you explained, but I am usually wrong so.. if you have time once more, I'd like to hear what you think. I apologize. :emoji_blush:

Sorry for the delay in responding. Got to make a living, you know! :emoji_blush:

Anyway, I'm glad you sorted it out--you're right! :emoji_thumbsup:

rafe · 26 May 2007

女流のぱないち氏を迎える
"panaichi shi" tte... ??
Don't have any context sorry... just as much as I have no idea what panaichishi is referring to... !
If anyone could help me, I'd appreciate it a lot!

epigene · 26 May 2007

rafe said:
女流のぱないち氏を迎える
"panaichi shi" tte... ??
Don't have any context sorry... just as much as I have no idea what panaichishi is referring to... !
If anyone could help me, I'd appreciate it a lot!

Yeah, that is certainly difficult without context...

Deducing from that is available here, I would guess that "panaichi" is a name. Since it's quite strange for a family name, I'd say that it probably is a pseudonym or username.

女流 suggests that she is a master (in the female category) in something like shogi, igo, tanka, etc., or maybe even a special video game...

That's all I can think of!

rafe · 26 May 2007

Thank you epigene!

I'm not totally sure, but your reply has helped me anyway!

Thanks again.

The7thSamurai · 26 May 2007

epigene said:
Yeah, that is certainly difficult without context...
Deducing from that is available here, I would guess that "panaichi" is a name. Since it's quite strange for a family name, I'd say that it probably is a pseudonym or username.
女流 suggests that she is a master (in the female category) in something like shogi, igo, tanka, etc., or maybe even a special video game...
That's all I can think of!

I'd say it was a family name of some sort because of the 氏.

Fuumei · 27 May 2007

I've tried looking everywhere so far for a meaning to this conjugation, but I can't seem to find it.

[ending of a verb]
-しようとすると

[example]
待とうとすると

Can anyone shed light on what meaning this applies to a verb when attached? None of the JLPT sites I've looked on seem to have it explained.

Elizabeth · 27 May 2007

Fuumei said:
I've tried looking everywhere so far for a meaning to this conjugation, but I can't seem to find it.
[ending of a verb]
-しようとすると
[example]
待とうとすると
Can anyone shed light on what meaning this applies to a verb when attached? None of the JLPT sites I've looked on seem to have it explained.

Good question ! I'm sure I've used it....but am still not 100% sure either.
If it is the volitional ending （よう） + （する）+ と used to express an attempt : "when/if" an effort was made or action was taken that would end not so well (in futility).

OR, if it is a construction similar to ようとしたら、"Just as I was about to do...." something happens to interrupt it.

I'm guessing the former with 待つ + と、but it sorta leaves you hanging on the edge of a cliff. So....rescue me ! I'd really love to know the rest of that sentence.

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