I'd probably go with "inherently" in this sentence.Q1.: Even "originally" for 「もともと」because I would've thought that the past would be used in combination with 「もともと」.
Use "inherently" instead of "originally."もともと 占いなど
当たらなくて 当たり前なのだ。
もし もしもだ…
"Originally my predictions and the like
were wrong and then right.
If that's the case..."
But I'm sure that's wrong. A hint?
I'm not sure on this one since it's a incomplete thought.Q2.: Why use two "ifs" in a row?: もし もしも
I'd translate that as "if that's the case" but both seem to essentially mean "if".
Well, I know 「ある」can either be an auxiliary verb as part of the ーて construction or just a main verb to indicate that something inanimate exists. It's negative form is 「ない」.Look up explanations for how the existence verb works. ある・(では)ない
There are な- adjectives and い-adjectives. Adjectives can either be prenominal (before the noun they modify) or used in conjunction with 「の」.And then look up conjugation of adjectives.
おいしい is a い-adjective. To make the negative, you remove the い and then attach -くない:おいしい・おいしくない
そう is used to express a quote: "likely outcome given the situation".And then look up how the adjective+そう pattern works
Those are two different meanings of そう. Check again what forms are attached to そう.そう is used to express a quote: "likely outcome given the situation".
おいしさそう is ungrammatical. You replaced さ not only with い, but with three hiragana.おいしくないtherefore becomes おいしさそう. "doesn't look delicious".
Yes, therefore なにも means "nothing" in なにもなさそう.Therefore 「なさそう」is the そう form of ある as in "doesn't seem to exist".
など has a nuance of looking down on it; "things such like".もともと 占いなど
当たらなくて 当たり前なのだ。
もし もしもだ…
"Inherently my predictions and the like
are wrong and [then right, it's obvious/and then right, obviously].
If that's the case..."
If I have this wrong do refer me to certain concepts so I can make my own research, thank you.
ありそう: [な adjective] "probable"(Hint: In this post, your misreading あるそう is actually grammatical, but the meaning is completely different form ありそう.)
I'm doing this based on the information provided in Tae Kim's book:おいしさそう is ungrammatical. You replaced さ not only with い, but with three hiragana.
I don't understand this comment. The original sentence is:~て/で 当たり前 is a set. Check again.
Ok yes, I understand now.Two "if"s are for emphasis, and this last line is connected to his next words. You say like below also in English, right?
If, if わしが先日の火事を…
It's just repetition for emphasis. We do the same thing in English, right?Q2.: Why use two "ifs" in a row?: もし もしも
Well, I know 「ある」can either be an auxiliary verb as part of the ーて construction or just a main verb to indicate that something inanimate exists. It's negative form is 「ない」.
Not sure what you mean by "used in conjunction with の". Would you care to elaborate so we can tell if you understand this? Lots of things can be "used in conjunction with の" (and there are many different の's).Adjectives can either be prenominal (before the noun they modify) or used in conjunction with 「の」.
The copula だ/です is used to form predicates with nouns.「な」adjectives conjugate like nouns (I think it's weird Tae Kim says "nouns" since it's です that's conjugated that way)
Not sure what you mean by "quote" here. stem+そう (which, again, is different from plain form+そう) can mean "seems/looks" or "seems about to", but this doesn't really have anything to do with "quoting" anything. (If anything, plain form+そう is sort of a quote, or hearsay, but the two are completely different structures. Again, I suggest you research the difference so you don't get tripped up in the future.)そう is used to express a quote: "likely outcome given the situation".
Still not sure where you're getting "right" from.もともと 占いなど
当たらなくて 当たり前なのだ。
もし もしもだ…
"Inherently my predictions and the like
are wrong and [then right, it's obvious/and then right, obviously].
If that's the case..."
If I have this wrong do refer me to certain concepts so I can make my own research, thank you.
3. "for all negatives, the 「い」must be replaced with 「さ」:
Ex.: これはなだの試合じゃなさそうだ。
So figured I'd remove the trailing 「い」and replace it with 「さ」: おいしさ- and then add the そう therefore: おいしさそう. "this is likely delicious".
Yes, this is what Toritoribeさん means. The て form can also take the form of で, depending on the verb (死ぬ→死んで) or if it's the copula (だ→で).ありそう: [な adjective] "probable"
I can spot a て but no で (unless you mean て or で).
In any case, if it's a set, I'd need more of a hint because that's too vague for me.
That's from the meaning of the suffix ~そう, not just ありそう, i.e., "the -masu stem of ある + そう". All this そう works as a na-adjective.ありそう: [な adjective] "probable"
Are you saying おいしい is negative?"for all negatives, the 「い」must be replaced with 「さ」
Notice that "~" is put before て/で. This is used to show the -te form. You know て changes to で for some verbs or na-adjectives, right? (Actually, it includes "noun + で" here.)I don't understand this comment. The original sentence is:
もともと 占いなど
当たらなくて 当たり前なのだ。
I can spot a て but no で (unless you mean て or で).
In any case, if it's a set, I'd need more of a hint because that's too vague for me.
EDIT:
Yeah, I, too, repeated what jt_-san already explained.:emoji_sweat_smile:
I know you already got the correct reading ヌ, and you would copy and paste the old version without revising it, or without noticing that the misreading was not revised yet. I said "You are repeatedly using the misreading" in this meaning.I wasn't misreading it, I was just copy/pasting my old message, I fixed the wrong transcription in a previous message.
Here's the explanation about modifying clause in Genki.I feel like this is more peripheral to the language so I won't pursue this further with more questions at this point in time but it's still unclear to me.
I, too, think せいい would be 誠意. I've never heard the word 勢威.Of course I can't be 100% certain without context, but that's the first thing that came to mind and I'm fairly confident about it because 誠意を見せる is a common idiomatic phrase, whereas 勢威を見せる isn't so much.
と「し」よう:not sure yet about this. I think the 「し」here might be part of the listing previously established.
I know this about his fortune telling preventing a fire. I'd like a hint about:
*と「し」よう
*the 「し」particle in case I'm wrong with my interpretation of it
It's like trying to build the roof of a house without laying down the proper foundation.
And you need to realize that it forces us to do hard work as if writing a textbook. (Yes, we can show the articles in dictionaries or chapters in textbooks/on-line sites, and we really have been doing that, but you quite often failed to get the correct explanation from those sources, no?)I've already learned *a lot* from this thread
And it gets quite tedious for us to answer the same questions over and over again, because you stubbornly refuse to make the bare minimum effort to give yourself the necessary basis in the language to put our explanations into context and actually comprehend the big picture, rather than just getting a vague idea and jumping on to the next thing.Zizka said:it's more than 5 times it gets a bit tedious if I'm being honest
Well you realize that we're feeding into this by responding to this thread. If nobody had responded, he'd be long gone by now. His method only works (somewhat) because of all the effort put in to reply to each point.Toritoribeさん has alluded to this, but I agree that you should be focusing on understanding individual grammar points rather than just jumping from sentence to sentence as soon as you more or less get the gist of what's being said. The problem with this current approach is that no matter how hard we try to explain things, some of the most important details end up getting lost in the shuffle because you're trying to tackle advanced concepts and relatively basic/fundamental concepts at the same time.
I'm glad you agree that we should keep bringing it up. Every time you make a beginner mistake for something that is covered in Japanese 101, we will bring up how poor this method is. :emoji_laughing:As I've said repeatedly, I'll keep going this way regardless. I'd be nice if you kept bringing it up as I've clearly made my position clear about this.
How about this diatribe? At least it's real. Why American tourists expect Japanese to speak English without asking us if we speak English?*Anyways, any suggestions on what I should read next? Preferably with Kanji this time so I can progress on that too.