alecgraham
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Hmm, I guess it could be a timely piece of IDF propaganda.
Israeli teens murdered
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Wow, pages later, I'm on topic ;-) -->
Israeli Arrest Made Public in Abduction of 3 Youths
Arrest by Israel in Abduction of 3 Youths Is Made Public (Published 2014)
Israeli Arrest Made Public in Abduction of 3 Youths
Arrest by Israel in Abduction of 3 Youths Is Made Public (Published 2014)
Hezam
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The israeli politics is blundering, They throw accusations without proofs, start war without legit reasons,create fake stories to fool their people, talk too much, This war proved that the theory of the undefeatable army is just a dream.
If they continue acting like this they will end up facing worse enemy than Hamas, The region is filled with hatred and people had enough pain from U.S,Israel, Iran, Arab Gulf governments, Those governments turned the region to hell and i'm 1000% sure the people will explode soon.
If they continue acting like this they will end up facing worse enemy than Hamas, The region is filled with hatred and people had enough pain from U.S,Israel, Iran, Arab Gulf governments, Those governments turned the region to hell and i'm 1000% sure the people will explode soon.
alecgraham
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Didn't they already explode? Arab Spring.
Hezam
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Arab spring or Arab Revolutions were a Test, first revolutions are step 1, two governments were exposed, 1) Iran, nobody thought that iran is an enemy, actually worst than israel if we are talking about numbers and brutality, iran sided with the Assad and Maliki until now and the result is tens of thousands of murdered people in Syria and Iraq, Also Iran supported the Hothi militia and Hothis have done and still doing too much damage to Yemen, They are trying to rule the country.
2) Gulf nations excluding Qatar, The revolutions exposed them, They stopped the Yemeni revolution, Created a coup in Egypt and then coup in Libya but fail there, UAE is supporting NATO in afghanistan, France in Mali and Central Africa and Nigeria. Also Gulf nations along with Jordan and Egypt supported Israel on Gaza war.
Now the picture is very clear that the worst enemy is not Jews or the NATO, It's the Arab govs.
The next step will be bloody, People will not lestin to the word 'Peace' or 'Terrorism' they will do what they know is right no matter what the Western gov call them, It's easy for middle eastern person who watchs things closely to predict people's reaction, The region is going to big war and the enemies will be People vs Governments. You will see an unexpected alliance, like Israel, Arab Governments and Iran government, All against the people or as they like to call it now "Terrorism" , i'm not talking about the ISIS or Jabhat Alnusrah or any Jihadis groups, i'm talking about people, Civilians just like the Arab Spring.
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All very strange if you ask me. So the man himself is not Hamas and neither were the kidnappers/ murderers? They got money from Hamas? But, if they themselves are not Hamas, how do they know the money came from Hamas? Do Hamas members wear ID badges on their chests? Does Hamas have a habit of hiring work out? One would think that if they did, it would be for reasons of keeping blame away from Hamas. And if that is the reason, they would not say "Here is some money from Hamas!"
Very odd. In fact, now it sounds like a Mossad false flag gone wrong and they just rolled with it! In other words the money came from Mossad, and the guys who hired this guy said it was from Hamas.
Also, it sounds like they were hired to do a kidnapping but did the murders on their own time. Is not the real point the murders?
Assuming that its all true about Hamas paying for the kidnappings, is it right to place so much blame on Hamas for the murders? Of course they would bear a great amount of responsibility for setting the thing in motion, but lets not pretend the entire plan of Hamas or whoever ordered the kidnapping was to murder the teens.
All these I think are major, major points that people's weak minds are just going to skip right over, as usual, and I think its all part of the plan. After all, the murders are the real point. But the article uses the word "abduction" more than "murder".
alecgraham
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Speaking of propaganda, I have to admit I'm lovin' the new Hamas tune -
Amazingly, the one they did in Hebrew to terrorize the Israelis has become something of a dance hit. For Israelis! Story here:
(The second audio clip at A Hamas terror anthem is Israel's biggest summer hit | Public Radio International )
Amazingly, the one they did in Hebrew to terrorize the Israelis has become something of a dance hit. For Israelis! Story here:
(The second audio clip at A Hamas terror anthem is Israel's biggest summer hit | Public Radio International )
alecgraham
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I understand how you feel, Hezam, but propaganda is an important (and interesting) part of the conflict, just as it was in WWII. Besides, most of us can't understand the languages in the video so what we have is just a good tune (honestly) and a professional journalistic piece covering the cultural component.
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Yes, if you reread my post, you'll see that the first video that I linked is just what you said.
It's the Hebrew version of a different song -- Hebrew, but still sung by Hamas -- mentioned in the second clip which was meant to spread fear but which backfired.
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There's no possibility that they're working for themselves?
Hezam
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in Gaza ? Nope, not even 1% .
Fatah is the palestinians worst enemy and palestinians will never succeed to create their own nation with Fatah around.
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Is there somewhere someone could point me too about all the mess in Israel and all the stuff going on with people dying? I am not going to lie I am completely ignorant to what is going on and am not following news regularly at all. Is there somewhere I could read that could give a unbiased excplanantion of what is exactly going on and why ( Yeah I know theres not gonna be any website like that, but I guess judgement lies in the hands of the memebers here at JREF), I am really curious as to whats going on right now. All I have been seeing is cruel photos and such posted on facebook and online, but I am ignorant at to what the actual issue itself is.
A summary without bias. Okay ...
Group A took money donated to build schools and infrastructure for the people in Group's A's territory and group A built tunnels in secret into Group B's territory and caused death onto some of the members of Group B.
Group B decided to try and stop the tunnel building and to get rid of the tunnels and Group A then started shooting into Group B's territory.
Group B then started shooting back.
Back and forth the shooting goes and unfortunately it would seem that some of the rocket launching facilities in Group A's territory are in such places as schools, or school zones.
So some of Group B's response is damaging schools and hurting people in those school zones.
And more back and forth and back and forth.
Oh yes, and all this started a very, very long time ago . . . like a few thousand years ago. This is just a modern version of the same ole' story.
Good luck trying to understand all the ins-and-outs of this mess.
Group A took money donated to build schools and infrastructure for the people in Group's A's territory and group A built tunnels in secret into Group B's territory and caused death onto some of the members of Group B.
Group B decided to try and stop the tunnel building and to get rid of the tunnels and Group A then started shooting into Group B's territory.
Group B then started shooting back.
Back and forth the shooting goes and unfortunately it would seem that some of the rocket launching facilities in Group A's territory are in such places as schools, or school zones.
So some of Group B's response is damaging schools and hurting people in those school zones.
And more back and forth and back and forth.
Oh yes, and all this started a very, very long time ago . . . like a few thousand years ago. This is just a modern version of the same ole' story.
Good luck trying to understand all the ins-and-outs of this mess.
Hezam
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a- What is Palestine/Israel ?
It's a part of land in Arab world ( click here for the map )
b-What is the Palestine/Israel history?
Palestine/israel has been part of different empires, Ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, Tjekker, Ancient Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, early Muslims (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), Crusaders, later Muslims (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottomans), the British, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (1948–1967, on the "West Bank") and Egyptian Republic (in Gaza), and modern Israelis and Palestinians.
c-Why there is a conflict in Palestin/israel ?
After the fall of Ottoman empire, France and England occupied the middle east and divided it to several states, Palestine was part of Jordan which also was under the British occupation (colonization),Jews in Muslim world were living in peace all the time .In europe WWII the Nazis in Germany commited a holocaust and burned too many Jews so european Jews (Ashkenazis) ran away to Muslim nations, After what happened to Jews in Europe they called for a Jewish state because they did not have their own state that defends them, Sadly England and the Ashkenazis jews chosed Palestine to be their own jewish state (israel) because they believe Israel was created in Palestine 4000 years ago !
England agreed and european nations started moving Jews to Palestine, Arabs & palestinians felt that they were petrayed by Jews whom they saved from the Holocaust so Arab started war against England and the jews who carried weapons against them.
in 1948 Jews declared their nation on Palestine and started killing & kicking Palestinians out of their land, homes.
War continued until now.
60 years ago Jews came to Palestine and took it.
Regards
Hezam, I'm a little unclear on one point, if you might be able to help me.
Are you indicating in the post above that the Jews had not been to that part of the world until 60 years ago?
In fact, maybe you could please inform us as to where the Jews came from?
I'm just not clear on that 60 years ago thing.
Maybe the first time a Jew walked into Jerusalem was 60 years ago?
Oh yes, as to the problem solving issue -- where would you have the Jews live these days? Well, where would you like them to move to?
Are you indicating in the post above that the Jews had not been to that part of the world until 60 years ago?
In fact, maybe you could please inform us as to where the Jews came from?
I'm just not clear on that 60 years ago thing.
Maybe the first time a Jew walked into Jerusalem was 60 years ago?
Oh yes, as to the problem solving issue -- where would you have the Jews live these days? Well, where would you like them to move to?
Hezam
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Jews have been everythere for long long time ago, My country Yemen was Jewish state once, Jews were living everywhere in small minorities, Asia, Africa, Middle east, Europe...
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Lest there be any remaining doubt:
Hamas Claims Responsibility for Kidnapping, Murder of Israeli Teenagers in June
Hamas Israeli teen kidnapping: Militant group claims responsibility.
Hamas Claims Responsibility for Kidnapping, Murder of Israeli Teenagers in June
Hamas Israeli teen kidnapping: Militant group claims responsibility.
Hezam
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Hamas did not say so, If they did we will see it on headlines at Aljazeera, CNN, BBC, etc.
It's an israeli habbit to start war then fake evidance, As you saw on the news about the Hamas three leaders who got killed, you asked me if Fatah members are working for their own and i told you they are spies, That's what Fatah is created for, Israel right hand.
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A quick search showed this from The Independent newspaper in the UK:
A top Hamas official admitted the three Israeli teenagers whose deaths in June caused the current spiral of violence were taken by the military arm of the organisation.
Hamas has until now refused to respond to Israeli accusations it planned the abduction and murder of the three boys, one a joint US-Israeli citizen, in Hebron.
Reuters and The Huffington Post also run the story ... All news sources that I normally trust.
it is interesting how The BBC haven't run the announcement however.
I have found Al Jazeera biased on too many occasions and don't trust them.
CNN, apart from a few like Fareed Zakaria and Amanpour, are a bunch of ******.
alecgraham
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This top Hamas official is Al-Aruri, the one the Israelis indicated all along.
Well, they are free to deny it. Let's see if they do.Hezam said:
