Israeli teens murdered

The way the U.S. has helped prop up dictators in the Mideast is troubling to say the least. They could argue that it was for the sake of "stability", but the whole truth is what Hezam said about them being "oil guards." It is the stability of an energy supply as much as anything else.

Hezam wrote: Of course neither israel nor the U.S want Arab to get better life.
My best guess is that citizens do and that the governments don't really care. It is not a priority for them. Sad, as you say.
 
alecgraham, i said 'i support destruction of israel' but it was replying to your statment when you said you support destruction of tunnels even if it means killing innocents, Those tunnels are not built to send weapons in the first place, They built them to get food and medicines because of the blockade, Destruction of israel means murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people, i don't really support such thing but i strongly support unarming israel and palestinians.
As you said, Russian jews were the problem and not Arab jews, Also when Jews fled to Palestine NObody attacked or harmed them, Until they rudely asked for a state in the land of people who hosted them!
Jews were a very important part of islamic world, Christians too, But the british plan was 'Divide and Conquer' and both Muslims and Jews were dumb and naive, They did exactly what Britain wanted and this is what happened, Endless conflict.
The Jews take the blame for petraying who saved them, imagine your self saving me and hosting me in your house and you find your self in the morning kicked out ! Da Fug !!

Notice: Arab do not rape >.< they are muslims XD
Nonetheless, do you have any links where I could find further information? This is something I'd like to learn more about
I will search for links in English.
 
alecgraham, i said 'i support destruction of israel' but it was replying to your statment when you said you support destruction of tunnels even if it means killing innocents, Those tunnels are not built to send weapons in the first place, They built them to get food and medicines because of the blockade,
I think the tunnels that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood allowed had all manner of things passing through them. Weapons + more ordinary items. The new regime in Egypt has destroyed or closed them off.

The tunnels I'm talking about end up in Israeli territory, where there would be no point of attaining food or medicine. Here in the West the news shows Hamas militants emerging from these tunnels and shooting at soldiers and civilians alike.

A quick note about aid: I was looking at the comments at some paper's site, the Wall St Journal, I think, and someone was complaining that he contacted UNICEF or some aid agency about giving charity to the Palestinians. He was told that the money would first go to Israel for distribution. "Why, he asked, does it go to Israel and not directly to the Palestinians?" Others responded that it was the only way PL civilians would actualy benefit from the aid money. They told him that if the money is sent directly to Palestine it would either go to more weapons or to enrich the Hamas leaders (just as the PLO leaders like Arafat enriched themselves). Crazily, they said, the only way to get the money to the PL civilians was to first give it to the Israelis.

Destruction of israel means murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people, i don't really support such thing but i strongly support unarming israel and palestinians.
Thank you for the clarification. Sounds good to me.

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Also when Jews fled to Palestine NObody attacked or harmed them, Until they rudely asked for a state in the land of people who hosted them!Jews were a very important part of islamic world, Christians too, But the british plan was 'Divide and Conquer'

Well, as you can see above, the authors I'm reading document attacks by Palestinians well before 1948 or any announcement of statehood. As for statehood, I guess the British did the best they knew how but it appears that they really did handle things clumsily.

Notice: Arab do not rape >.< they are muslims XD
I guess we'll have to disagree on that. Wherever you can find men, know that some of them are rapists, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Inuit or whatever.
 
I think the tunnels that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood allowed had all manner of things passing through them. Weapons + more ordinary items. The new regime in Egypt has destroyed or closed them off.
Weapons saved Gaza from the israeli brutal attack, if people in Gaza were defensless they would be living under direct occupation.
And notice that Hamas did not start the war. And the three israeli teens were not killed in Gaza !

The tunnels I'm talking about end up in Israeli territory, where there would be no point of attaining food or medicine. Here in the West the news shows Hamas militants emerging from these tunnels and shooting at soldiers and civilians alike.
Has Hamas ever used them before the israeli attack ? Did Hamas used them to hit civilians or to target soldiers ?
i mean why not building the tunnels in case israel starts a new war ?

A quick note about aid: I was looking at the comments at some paper's site, the Wall St Journal, I think, and someone was complaining that he contacted UNICEF or some aid agency about giving charity to the Palestinians. He was told that the money would first go to Israel for distribution. "Why, he asked, does it go to Israel and not directly to the Palestinians?" Others responded that it was the only way PL civilians would actualy benefit from the aid money. They told him that if the money is sent directly to Palestine it would either go to more weapons or to enrich the Hamas leaders (just as the PLO leaders like Arafat enriched themselves). Crazily, they said, the only way to get the money to the PL civilians was to first give it to the Israelis.
i don't think you believe such claim, You post this but do you really believe it ?
All the money go to Arafat then Abbas government, But small amount of money goes to families who surrender and obey israel.
Arab and Palestian people are not dogs, Nobody can buy them with money, they will hold to their rights or die defending their rights.

Thank you for the clarification. Sounds good to me.
It was a reaction, Extremism create extremism, Arab nations always were shelters for all people who run from their lands because of wars, bad economy etc..., Jews, Armenians, Africans, Asians etc etc.
If you review the region since the spread of islam you will find out that no civilian war happened ever since until the fall of Ottoman caliphate, All wars were between governments, Umayyads vs Abbasids, Ottomans vs Mamluks, Ottomans vs Safavis, Etc.
It's very very hard to think of people killing each others.

Well, as you can see above, the authors I'm reading document attacks by Palestinians well before 1948 or any announcement of statehood. As for statehood, I guess the British did the best they knew how but it appears that they really did handle things clumsily.
Yes when extremist groups of jews carried weapons and start taking lands from Palestinians, of course with Britain help.
Jews have been in Palestine for years before the British colonization, They were Ottoman citizens like other groups/ethinics.

I guess we'll have to disagree on that. Wherever you can find men, know that some of them are rapists, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Inuit or whatever.
You could do some researchs instead of posting theories, Pride in Arab world is as important as person's life, harming civilians is never of Arab background, Let alone of rape !
Modern Arab military/Police/Security are the worst kind of creatures, The trainings that they learned in western camps/bases made them like robots, They kill, rape and torture their own people, See what's happening now in Syria, Egypt, Iraq.....i have never witnessed something like that in my life, My grandparents are badly shocked from what they saw on TV, they kept saying " Haraam ! Where is the pride, where is mercy in those men (soldiers) " .
The current Arab armies are the worst scum in the world.
 
You could do some researchs instead of posting theories, Pride in Arab world is as important as person's life, harming civilians is never of Arab background, Let alone of rape !
Ok, I'll do some more research:

Violence Against Palestinian Women Is Increasing, Study Says
By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: November 7, 2006
JERUSALEM, Nov. 6 — Discriminatory laws, traditional practices and a severe shortage of emergency shelters combine to perpetuate violence against women by their family members and intimate partners in the Palestinian territories, according to a report to be issued on Tuesday by Human Rights Watch, a New York-based watchdog group.
Violence Against Palestinian Women Is Increasing, Study Says (Published 2006)
 
TUNNELS:
Hezam wrote: Has Hamas ever used them before the israeli attack ? Did Hamas used them to hit civilians or to target soldiers ?
i mean why not building the tunnels in case israel starts a new war ?

a. Yes.
b. Yes. (both)
c. I'm sure that's Hamas' official excuse, but the truth is that they built the tunnels with the full intent of drawing Israel into a conflict like the one we see now.

PALESTINIAN CIVILIAN VIOLENCE:
Hezam wrote:If you review the region since the spread of islam you will find out that no civilian war happened ever since until the fall of Ottoman caliphate, All wars were between governments, Umayyads vs Abbasids, Ottomans vs Mamluks, Ottomans vs Safavis, Etc.
It's very very hard to think of people killing each others.

Sadly that's not the case, and I will edit in what I found out as soon as I can, this morning.
Edit: enough posts have been made that I'll put it in a new post.
See post #143
 
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i have no idea what this has to do with War morals !! i mean this is family problems that every family in this planet has experienced, especially in poor nations such as Palestine where israel & Abbas gov oppressed them everyday and night.
i don't see any small relationship with what we are talking about ! O____O
Please do research on ( War Morals and rape in Arab world ).
Thanks
 
I did, Hezam, I did. But you didn't accept it. That quote about the raping and synagogue destruction was not something I fabricated out of thin air. I can give you the ISBN# and page number if you like.

I posted the "family problems" info because you wrote "Arabs don't rape", so I thought a second, unrelated source would help.

I'll post something positive and good after breakfast. You'll like it.
 
TUNNELS:


a. Yes.
b. Yes. (both)
c. I'm sure that's Hamas' official excuse, but the truth is that they built the tunnels with the full intent of drawing Israel into a conflict like the one we see now.

a. When ?
b. When ?
c. You are sure ! And then you claim you know the truth but in the end it's all about assuming while nothing proves your claim, i'm still waiting for a proof that Hamas used the tunnels that are inside israel to Attack ( Civilians ).
 
ARAB PROTECTORS:
I said I'd post something good. I hope you like this, as my coffee's getting cold. :-)

There was, however, one ray of comparative hope. Often when marauding Palestinians set out to murder Jews, there could be found some individuals who protected them. This was most famously true in Hebron, where the mob would gladly have killed all the Jews had not individual Arabs protected their neighbors. Someday, when peace is achieved between Israelis and Palestinians, these memories will be essential to the building of a mutual acceptance.

{Lozowick, p.68}
 
i'm still waiting for a proof that Hamas used the tunnels that are inside israel to Attack ( Civilians ).
I'll see what I can find. Do I also need to find proof that the rockets are targeting Isr.civilians, or is Hamas hoping that they only hit soldiers?

Again, the tunnels into Egypt clearly begain as supply lines and a way to avoid checkpoints. The tunnels that end up in Israeli farms-- you're telling me I need to prove that those aren't for killing people? They're just there in case Hamas wants to stop by the farm and say hello?
 
ARAB PROTECTORS:
I said I'd post something good. I hope you like this, as my coffee's getting cold. :-)



{Lozowick, p.68}
is it a story or prediction? or a dream ?
I'm not sure what is good in it, i'm confused.
 
It's history. Wait- is the excerpt not visible on your screen? It is missing in your quote above, although I can still see it in my post.
 
I'll see what I can find. Do I also need to find proof that the rockets are targeting Isr.civilians, or is Hamas hoping that they only hit soldiers?

Again, the tunnels into Egypt clearly begain as supply lines and a way to avoid checkpoints. The tunnels that end up in Israeli farms-- you're telling me I need to prove that those aren't for killing people? They're just there in case Hamas wants to stop by the farm and say hello?
You said Hamas USED them to attack civilians, i wanted a proof for this not for the expected goal of the tunnels in israel.

Edit: i see the quote, JREF has a system to prevent double quote.
 
You said Hamas USED them to attack civilians, i wanted a proof for this not for the expected goal of the tunnels in israel.
Ah, ok. You're right- I cannot find a successful attack on a civilian target from a tunnel. Only that it is a threat.
 
Human Rights Watch twitter now:

Not just in Gaza. Israeli forces unlawfully shot demonstrators in West Bank.
Israel: Shooting Deaths after West Bank Protest | Human Rights Watch

In West Bank #Israel military killed man standing after protest;2nd posing no threat; 3rd who rushed to help 2nd @HRW
Israel: Shooting Deaths after West Bank Protest | Human Rights Watch


#Israel calling someone a "terrorist" does not make person legit military target. See new Q&A on #Gaza. Q&A: 2014 Hostilities between Israel and Hamas | Human Rights Watch



West Bank unlawful killing of protestors by #Israel revive its military long history of operating with impunity

Source: https://twitter.com/hrw

Unil this moment there is 1946 civilian killed by israeli military.
 
PALESTINIAN CIVILIAN VIOLENCE CONT'D FROM POST #131:

Hezam, you wrote that "no civilian war happened ever since until the fall of Ottoman caliphate" and that all wars were between governments, so here's my quote which refutes that:

1937...
the longer (the revolt) went on, the more sinister it became, from a Palestinian perspective: as the populace grew exhausted by the violence and the intransigence of the rebels, ever more of the victims were Palestinians, killed at the hands of their countrymen. Members and supporters of the hard-line Husseini clan murdered many mamebers of the more moderate Nashashibi clan and its supporters, while in the countryside, gangs murdered peasands who didn't offer them full support. Thousands of educated, urban Palestinians left for other Arab countries. Palestinian society was not to recover for decades.

{p.74. Bolding is my own.}
 
PALESTINIAN CIVILIAN VIOLENCE CONT'D FROM POST #131:

Hezam, you wrote that "no civilian war happened ever since until the fall of Ottoman caliphate" and that all wars were between governments, so here's my quote which refutes that:



{p.74. Bolding is my own.}
That's after the fall of Ottoman >.<
 
That's after the fall of Ottoman >.<
Your original quote says "since until the fall." I guess you have to choose either since or until.

In any case, I was going to put that excerpt about PL-on-PL violence eventually, because, as the last sentence which I bolded indicates, it helped lead to the diaspora of educated Palestinians.

I won't be surprised if all Palestinians abroad blame Jewish settlers for their exodus, but the revolts of their fellow countrymen actually had a lot to do with it. Very significant.
 
Google removed " Bomb Gaza " game from Google play store :

Google Play's 'Bomb Gaza' Game Lets You Kill Palestinian Women and Children

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As the death toll continues to rise in Gaza on the heels of an expired cease-fire, Android's official app store, Google Play is currently offering a game called "Bomb Gaza," where users are encouraged to drop missiles on the region to destroy "terrorists." Bomb Gaza is just another one of numerous insensitive games available on Android's official app store including,"Gaza Assault" and "Whack the Hamas". Since when has celebrating one of the most tragic conflicts become the perfect theme for a video game? Why are you so terrible, world?

In "Bomb Gaza" users control an aircraft decorated with the Israeli flag and drop bombs and rockets on cartoon Hamas militants and Israeli women holding children. According to the game's description, users are to drop bomb on "terrorists" only, but as noted in the Vine preview inadvertently killing the civilians and children is impossible since they're stacked on top of one another.

Just about 300 children have been killed in the real war going on between Israel and Palestine over the last month.

Source: Link
 
Captured Hamas Combat Manual Explains Benefits of Human Shields
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It's pretty clear that the book is not written by Native Arab, It has some typo and meaningless sentences not to mention that the story of the book is not logical.
By the way, The book says " Leaders should use specific tactics to avoid civilin casualties" and then it mention the benefits of houses damage, It's absolutely not written by native Arab !
 
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