Is ついで a type of grammar?

letslearn · 29 Mar 2016

Hi Guys,
In a book I'm reading a Student called Non, has just ask the teacher? Are you a graduate of this school.
The teacher is playing the piano and does not seem to reply to the question.
The next line is
メロヂィのついでみたいにこぼれた先生ことばに,ノンが反応した。
what is th purpose of ついで?
The next line shes asks the teacher another question....
Teacher do you live around this area?

よろしくお願いします

Toritoribe · 29 Mar 2016

Your description about the context is confusing...

序でにの英語・英訳 - goo辞書英和和英

tip:
how to input ディ
"dhi" or "dexi" (not "dixi")

letslearn · 29 Mar 2016

Toritoribe said:
Your description about the context is confusing...

序でにの英語・英訳 - goo辞書英和和英

tip:
how to input ディ
"dhi" or "dexi" (not "dixi")

Does it matter that it isメロディのついで with the の partical and no に partical?

Here is the full Context
「音楽室の匂って、今も昔も変わらないわね」先生はそういうと、今度は両手ピアノを引きはじめた。
これは。。。。。硬歌？
「先生は晴小の卒業生なのよ」
メロディのついでみたいにこぼれた先生ことばに,ノンが反応した。
「先生、このへんに住んでいたんですか」
「そう、高校生のときに引越してしまったけれど」

This music room smell hasn't change...said the teacher and started to play the Piano with both hands.
is that the schools song.
Teacher wre you a graduate of 晴小
????
Teacher did you use to live around here?
Yes but I had to move when I was a high school student.

Toritoribe · 29 Mar 2016

letslearn said:
Does it matter that it isメロディのついで with the の partical and no に partical?

メロディーのついでみたいに
Actually, there is に there. みたい is just inserted between ついで and に.
ついで performs as a noun, so メロディーのついで has the same structure as 学校に行くついで or そこへ行ったついで in the dictionary. (You can think it as メロディーを弾くついで.)

「音楽室の匂いって、今も昔も変わらないわね」先生はそういうと、今度は両手でピアノを引きはじめた。
これは、、、校歌？
「先生は晴小の卒業生なのよ」
メロディのついでみたいにこぼれた先生のことばに、ノンが反応した。
「先生、このへんに住んでいたんですか」
「そう、高校生のときに引越してしまったけれど」

Read carefully the line after 「先生は晴小の卒業生なのよ」, and notice the function of the sentence final particle よ. This is the teacher's words, not the narrator's question.

letslearn · 29 Mar 2016

Toritoribe said:
メロディーのついでみたいに
Actually, there is に there. みたい is just inserted between ついで and に.
ついで performs as a noun, so メロディーのついで has the same structure as 学校に行くついで or そこへ行ったついで in the dictionary. (You can think it as メロディーを弾くついで.)

「音楽室の匂いって、今も昔も変わらないわね」先生はそういうと、今度は両手でピアノを引きはじめた。
これは、、、校歌？
「先生は晴小の卒業生なのよ」
メロディのついでみたいにこぼれた先生のことばに、ノンが反応した。
「先生、このへんに住んでいたんですか」
「そう、高校生のときに引越してしまったけれど」

Read carefully the line after 「先生は晴小の卒業生なのよ」, and notice the function of the sentence final particle よ. This is the teacher's words, not the narrator's question.

I will try again.
The line you mentioned as being the Teacher's not the Narrator's 「先生は晴小の卒業生なのよ」 ..who is this 先生？ Is it teachers in General? the teavher her self?

Is the melody seeming to drown out the teachers words, while she is playing

Toritoribe · 29 Mar 2016

Is it possible "teachers in general" are all graduates of 晴小?? 先生 is used for calling the teacher themselves when talking to students, as same as お父さん is used to refer to the father himself when talking to his child.
You seem to misinterpret the meaning of こぼれた. Try again.

Mike Cash · 29 Mar 2016

Be careful with auxiliary verbs.... there's no way you could read that as the teacher saying she "had to" move.

letslearn · 29 Mar 2016

こぼれる means to spill.
So are her words seeming to spill out like melodies as she is playing?

Toritoribe said:
Is it possible "teachers in general" are all graduates of 晴小?? 先生 is used for calling the teacher themselves when talking to students, as same as お父さん is used to refer to the father himself when talking to his child.
You seem to misinterpret the meaning of こぼれた. Try again.

letslearn · 29 Mar 2016

Mike Cash said:
Be careful with auxiliary verbs.... there's no way you could read that as the teacher saying she "had to" move.

Thanks Mikesan
Yeah I probably should not jump to conclusions. I'm having enough dificulties trying to get to any conclusions Ha,Ha

Toritoribe · 29 Mar 2016

letslearn said:
こぼれる means to spill.
So are her words seeming to spill out like melodies as she is playing?

You missed ついでに this time.

letslearn · 29 Mar 2016

Toritoribe said:
You missed ついでに this time.
(You can think it as メロディーを弾くついで.)

メロディーのついでみたいに
Doesn't that mean.... it seems, while at the same time the teacher is playing a melody........

So are the teachers words 「先生は晴小の卒業生なのよ」 spilling out in time with the melody of the song or do they seem like the melody of the song?

Toritoribe · 29 Mar 2016

You need to notice メロディーのついでみたいに and メロディーみたいに (= like melody) are completely different.
Her main purpose is playing piano, and her words are spilled out while she is doing it just like an addition.

letslearn · 29 Mar 2016

Toritoribe said:
You need to notice メロディーのついでみたいに and メロディーみたいに (= like melody) are completely different.
Her main purpose is playing piano, and her words are spilled out while she is doing it just like an addition.

Hi Toritoribesan,
I get the idea that she is saying something as she is playing the Piano and that the main pupose is playing th e piano. So its a bit like 話しながらピアノを引く where the emphasis is playing the piano.

Toritoribe · 29 Mar 2016

Basically, yes. It's more likely ピアノを弾きながら話した/呟いた, though.

letslearn · 30 Mar 2016

Toritoribe said:
Basically, yes. It's more likely ピアノを弾きながら話した/呟いた, though.

As always thank you for your patience. Do you think that the teacher only said what she said because she was playing the school song? I mean was it triggered by the song that the words spilled out?

Toritoribe · 30 Mar 2016

She would explain why she knew the school song (or, noticed the narrator's silent question and answered it).

letslearn · 30 Mar 2016

Toritoribe said:
She would explain why she knew the school song (or, noticed the narrator's silent question and answered it).

Thank you

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