How do you know... ON/KUN and beyond

[Elizabeth]

Yeah, I'm really sorry. Your sentences are what I meant to put, but if we pretend (and I'm sorry we've been doing that for the past two examples of mine) that they are all separate sentences, do they work?

NYCは東京のような市です。
NYCは東京のように高い建物があります。
東京の生活はNYCのように忙しいです。

東京の生活は may be OK. But would sound awkward if it might even suggest you are implying that Tokyo has a life independent of the people... Every other one is great, though !

NYCのように東京での生活は(本当に)忙しいのです。(Like NYC, Life/living in Tokyo is busy...)



(Compared to America), the living in Tokyo is generally difficult and serious. And STILL I can't wait any longer to get back there!!

東京での生活は本当に大変なものですが.... またそこに行くのが待ちきれないですよ 。

 

[Putrefaction]

I'm glad my other examples are good. Sorry for the awkward example, haha. I have a question, though, on your sentence?

NYCのように東京での生活は(本当に)忙しいのです.
->
東京での生活はNYCのように(本当に)忙しいのです.


A slight reformation, because it's easier for me to understand.
Tokyo's lifestyle, like NYC's, is busy.
Or actually, literally translating yours: NYC like Tokyo's Lifestyle is busy.


メアリーさんは魚のように泳げます。

Mary, like a fish, can swim.


今朝の太陽は夏の太陽のように明るかった

Today morning's sun, like the summer's sun, was bright.

Here I have multicolored everything.

These sentence breakdowns correct?

東京のでの？ and いそがしいの？I understand the de is a marker, but no? in the first sentence it could be tokyo (location) 's ?

But I...why, it's always as usual, understand the gist of your sentence. It's getting to be a real headache, I can understand it but I can't decipher it nor give a proper meaning.

--

How about these two, which I literally just made up:

父のように私は毎日仕事に行きます。
ー＞私は父のように毎日仕事に行きます

Just like my dad, I go to work every day.


高校にいるとき友達は大学生のように七時間もう勉強しました。
ー＞大学生のように友達は高校にいるとき七時間も勉強しました。

During high school, my friend used to study (incredibly) 7 hours a day, just like a college student.



Is there any chance you can give me one Japanese one to translate and an English one to try out? Thank you in advance. ありがとうございます。

 

[epigene]

東京のでの？ and いそがしいの？I understand the de is a marker, but no? in the first sentence it could be tokyo (location) 's ?

The first one you got right.
You broke down the second one incorrectly. It is ～のです sentence ending used to conclude an explanation.
Another, more colloquial alternative is ～んです
(This sentence ender is used for other purposes, such as in polite commands, so don't think this is the only way it is used.)

 

[Putrefaction]

Ahh, it's comparable to んです。Is it for females only like わね or is it universal like よ?

昨夜食べ過ぎたので、おなかが痛いのです。

 

[epigene]

Ahh, it's comparable to んです。Is it for females only like わね or is it universal like よ?

昨夜食べ過ぎたので、おなかが痛いのです。

It is neutral in gender and formal, used in formal speech and in writing.
It can't be equated fully with "wane" or "yo" because it has a strong declarative (emphatic) nuance.
I think you'll need to see it used many times to understand the situations where it is used.

The use in your sentence is correct. However, this sentence ending gives the impression that you are giving a diagnostic report to fellow doctors, rather than complaining of pain to your family or friends.

 

[Putrefaction]

Yeah, that's another one I need to see in use before I get it. However, if I said 昨夜食べ過ぎたので、おなかが痛いんです would it be more towards a family? That's in Ch 12 of Genki 1, so I should know that unless I forgot it. Thank you for all your help and rapid responses, this has been the fastest replies I've gotten since the beginning of the topic!

I wouldn't mind if you could also take a look at the multicolored sentences. I thought of several more, if those are right then the ones in my head are also right. It's also a good sign that I'm starting to think of these sentences in Japanese, maybe I should start typing them out and then see how it gets interpreted.

 

[Toritoribe]

NYCは東京のような市です。

市 refers to "city" as an administrative unit. 都市 or 街[まち] is used for "city" as a general meaning.

if I said 昨夜食べ過ぎたので、おなかが痛いんです would it be more towards a family?

No. ～んです is used to explain the reason in this case. So if your (not-so-close) friend say "What's wrong?" to you, you can use 昨夜食べ過ぎたので/昨夜食べ過ぎて、おなかが痛いんです as the answer.

 

[epigene]

No. ﾂ〜窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ is used to explain the reason in this case. So if your (not-so-close) friend say "What's wrong?" to you, you can use ﾂ催ｰ窶禿ｩﾂ食窶堙冷?ｰﾃ溪?堋ｬ窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?ﾂ催ｰ窶禿ｩﾂ食窶堙冷?ｰﾃ溪?堋ｬ窶堙?、窶堋ｨ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堋ｪ窶凖俄?堋｢窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ as the answer.

Yes, Toritoribe-san is right. I apologize for giving you the impression that ﾂ〜窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ is as colloquial as 窶堙ｭ窶堙 and 窶堙ｦ .
I should have said it is "more colloquial" compared to ﾂ〜窶堙娯?堙??堋ｷ
It's an issue of "relative proximity" between the speaker and the listener.

As for the other questions you have, I hope others will fill in because it's bedtime for me now!

 

[Elizabeth]

I think you can keep it simple and say just おなかが痛くなりました .... ;-)

 

[Putrefaction]

No. ﾂ〜窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ is used to explain the reason in this case. So if your (not-so-close) friend say "What's wrong?" to you, you can use ﾂ催ｰ窶禿ｩﾂ食窶堙冷?ｰﾃ溪?堋ｬ窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?ﾂ催ｰ窶禿ｩﾂ食窶堙冷?ｰﾃ溪?堋ｬ窶堙?、窶堋ｨ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堋ｪ窶凖俄?堋｢窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ as the answer.

Oh, I see. I'll just have to get used to seeing it before I can do it, I guess!

Yes, Toritoribe-san is right. I apologize for giving you the impression that ﾂ〜窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ is as colloquial as 窶堙ｭ窶堙 and 窶堙ｦ .
I should have said it is "more colloquial" compared to ﾂ〜窶堙娯?堙??堋ｷ
It's an issue of "relative proximity" between the speaker and the listener.

It's fine; when I get up to it I will definitely ask. You could give me another example if you wanted!

I think you can keep it simple and say just 窶堋ｨ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堋ｪ窶凖俄?堋ｭ窶堙遺?堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ .... ;-)

This also makes sense.

Thanks a lot guys!

窶堋ｨ窶｢窶藩廚窶堙俄?愿ｼ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙寂?堋ｩ窶堙ｨﾂ、窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堙??堋ｱ窶堙ｫ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。Is there any difference between 窶堋ｨ窶｢窶藩廚窶堙俄?愿ｼ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙寂?堋ｩ窶堙ｨ and 窶堋ｨ窶｢窶藩廚窶堙俄?愿ｼ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｱ窶堙ｫﾂ？

 

[Elizabeth]

Oh, I see. I'll just have to get used to seeing it before I can do it, I guess!



It's fine; when I get up to it I will definitely ask. You could give me another example if you wanted!

ﾂ「ﾆ探ﾆ辰ﾆ暖窶愿?ﾅ椎ｸﾂ催ｵ Googleﾂ」窶堙ｰ ﾅ椎ｸﾂ催ｵ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堙昶?堙ｩ窶堙?、窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堙鞍馳ﾂーﾆ淡窶堋ｪﾅ陳ｩ窶堙や?堋ｩ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

Try an internal search on Google from this site.

 

[Putrefaction]

「サイト内検索 Google」を 検索してみると、いろいろなページが見つかります。

Site's investigational Google research try when, various page will see.

Got it!

 

[Elizabeth]

お風呂に入ったばかり、勉強しているところです。Is there any difference between お風呂に入ったばかり and お風呂に入ったところ？

Tokoro can only be used immediately (fairly shortly) following the verb +ing. Which makes it more limited in time. Plus, potentially indicating both place and time.

There are other differences. Someone sleeping in Japan, not working, can answer more...

 

[Putrefaction]

I see. So you would most likely use ばかり to say that you did something regarding yesterday, whereas if you just got back from eating lunch, you may want to use ところ。Thank you! They had similar indications in the book.

 

[Elizabeth]

I see. So you would most likely use 窶堙寂?堋ｩ窶堙ｨ to say that you did something regarding yesterday, whereas if you just got back from eating lunch, you may want to use 窶堙??堋ｱ窶堙ｫﾂ。Thank you! They had similar indications in the book.

I don't know any restrictions on Bakari. Tokoro is more like "just now" with the timing of at that instant or quite recently. Similar to "tatta/chotto ima."

 

[Putrefaction]

Hm, I see...well, I'll have to read more examples of it in my book and hopefully be able to make a decision. Also, I remember ところ from back when we were discussing ドアが開けている and ドアが開いている...this post or this one, definitely.

所で，ポストを３００回を練習した，もう５００回のを練習しなければならない！
By the way, I reviewed until about 300 posts the last time, I have more than 500 more to go!
(I'm a little iffie on the last part, and the counters.)

The past two pages have really flown by, it's amazing how quickly you guys respond!

 

[Elizabeth]

Hm, I see...well, I'll have to read more examples of it in my book and hopefully be able to make a decision. Also, I remember ところ from back when we were discussing ドアが開けている and ドアが開いている...this post or this one, definitely.

所で，を練習した，もう５００回のを練習しなければならない！
By the way, I reviewed until about 300 posts the last time, I have more than 500 more to go!
(I'm a little iffie on the last part, and the counters.)

The past two pages have really flown by, it's amazing how quickly you guys respond!

もうポストを３００箇??復習したよ. することがまだたくさんある. And I still have a lot more to do. ...

 

[epigene]

お風呂に入ったばかり、勉強しているところです。Is there any difference between お風呂に入ったばかり and お風呂に入ったところ？

First things first:
お風呂に入ったばかりで、勉強しているところです。
(I'm assuming you want to say "I just took a bath and am studying now.)

The difference between お風呂に入ったばかり and お風呂に入ったところ would be that the former is very often used to say it emphatically.
お風呂に入ったばかりなので、外出はできません。
(Sorry to say) I can't go out now because I just took a bath. (Maybe your hair is still wet, still feeling hot from the bath, etc.)

ドアが開けている and ドアが開いている

The first one is wrong.
ドアを開けている

 

[Toritoribe]

Is there any difference between お風呂に入ったばかり and お風呂に入ったところ？

As epigene-san explained, ～たばかり is used in the "to have just done something, so..." context.

一年前にテレビを買ったばかりです。（まだ新しいので買い換えるつもりはありません。）
I just bought my TV a year ago. (It's still new, so I'm not going to replace it.)

日本語を習い始めたばかりです。（だからまだ上手に話せません。）
I've just started to learn Japanese. (so I can't speak fluently at all.)

所で，ポストを３００回を練習した，もう５００回のを練習しなければならない！
By the way, I reviewed until about 300 posts the last time, I have more than 500 more to go!

The conjunction ところで is generally written in hiragana. The kanji 所 is basically used as the meaning of "place."

300まで書き込みを復習した（けど）、まだ500以上ある。

 

[Elizabeth]

Hm, I see...well, I'll have to read more examples of it in my book and hopefully be able to make a decision. Also, I remember ところ from back when we were discussing ドアが開けている and ドアが開いている...this post or this one, definitely.

所で，ポストを３００回を練習した，もう５００回のを練習しなければならない！
By the way, I reviewed until about 300 posts the last time, I have more than 500 more to go!
(I'm a little iffie on the last part, and the counters.)

The past two pages have really flown by, it's amazing how quickly you guys respond!

I don't like to correct too much at one sitting...is it overwhelming ?? But besides as tori mentioned, there are a couple more options for "post."
投稿（とうこう）
コメント


ポスト is a mailbox, most usually.

 

[Putrefaction]

ありがとうございます。

The difference between お風呂に入ったばかり and お風呂に入ったところ would be that the former is very often used to say it emphatically.

お風呂に入ったばかりなので、外出はできません。

(Sorry to say) I can't go out now because I just took a bath. (Maybe your hair is still wet, still feeling hot from the bath, etc.)

そうです。でも，まだ分からない。I can see that it uses a te form, right? (underlined). However, I jumped ahead to my intermediate book, and I found this:

The thing I underlined and looked up I understood, but it's a bit weird for me. Is the の used as a nominilizer here, or is it to signify an apostrophy? Lit: Japan to have just arrive's time?

So then I read this:

That's the one I am comparing it to. They look almost the same in meaning, B of the 1st and D of the 2nd. But as epigene stated, it's used emphatically, so...would the first one be, perhaps, a rejection to an invitation to a dinner? And the ところ would be maybe a friend asking what you recently did?

ドアを開けている

Ah, how I forget the intransitive and transitive rules. Thank you guys.

 

[Elizabeth]

の relates two concepts, "around/about the time" and "just came to Japan," but not as a possessive, by demarking the time as recent. Similar to 日本語を始めてすぐの頃は, 子供の頃は etc.

There is no possibility to act a nominalizer because ばかり is a particle, it isn't following after an adjective or verb.

 

[epigene]

The use of ﾂ〜窶堙娯?堙 to state the reason/cause is explained here:

Expressing reason or causation using ﾂ「窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ」 and ﾂ「窶堙娯?堙?」

 

[Putrefaction]

の relates two concepts, "around/about the time" and "just came to Japan," but not as a possessive, by demarking the time as recent. Similar to 日本語を始めてすぐの頃は, 子供の頃は etc.

There is no possibility to act a nominalizer because ばかり is a particle, it isn't following after an adjective or verb.

I'm afraid I'm still a bit lost. I interpreted this sentence as:

日本語を始めてすぐの頃は,
Lit: Japanese language's start time, around.
As a possessive.

子供の頃は
Child's time, around.

But these are possessive. :?

食べたばかりのころは，
Around the time I recently ate? (Recently ate's time)

Thank you for your help and I will read the post, epigene.

--e

Wait, I knew about ので and から. But her sentence was

NYCのように東京での生活は(本当に)忙しいのです


During which I was confused on the last part, but I read on the site it's like you said, it is んです, an explanatory? So it's kind of like saying, because?

Noun-related particles - Tae Kim's Japanese grammar guide

I think it may be in there...
Argh, I'm so very confused. Sorry guys.

 

[epigene]

I'm afraid I'm still a bit lost. I interpreted this sentence as:

日本語を始めてすぐの頃は,
Lit: Japanese language's start time, around.
As a possessive.

子供の頃は
Child's time, around.

But these are possessive. :?

食べたばかりのころは，
Around the time I recently ate? (Recently ate's time)

Thank you for your help and I will read the post, epigene.

I wonder why you think these are possessive?
Does this explain it?
頃 - Words - Japanese Dictionary Tangorin

I'm just a Japanese speaker and not trained in teaching Japanese, but my understanding is that "koro/goro" is used to describe a timeframe (such as childhood or a general (unspecified) time when I started studying Japanese) for a person, with の added when expressing this general timeframe (usually in one's past).

Other uses of koro/goro (with different meanings) may not be followed by の
食べごろ：Just the right time to eat [the food, being perfectly ripe, etc.].
二時ごろ：Around 2 o'clock

Wait, I knew about ので and から. But her sentence was

NYCのように東京での生活は(本当に)忙しいのです


During which I was confused on the last part, but I read on the site it's like you said, it is んです, an explanatory? So it's kind of like saying, because?

Yes, correct!