How do you know... ON/KUN and beyond

[Amigo]

You're right. The only reason for using katakana for っす is emphasis.

BTW, this is not only informal but also a guy thing, used especially by jocks, sumo wrestlers and small-fry yakuza... (AFAIK!)

Thank you, Epigene San,
I see, KATAKANA is something like capital letters playing the roll of emphasis.

Also I've just learned how to abreviate "as far as I know"

"Chat English" is another way of English, isn't it?

 

[Putrefaction]

Well that's one I'll have to get used to and remember. Did I get all my other examples right?

 

[Toritoribe]

General Idea: That sound just now?

The speaker is asking about the sound. The interrogative 窶ｰﾂｽ is omitted. ﾂ債｡窶堙娯?ｰﾂｹ窶堙梗COLOR="Red"]窶ｰﾂｽ[窶堙遺?堙云[/COLOR]ﾂ？
What was the sound just now?/What was that sound?

General Idea: Markus is also going to Treno.
Japanese: Maakasu mo toreno ni ikunone. (Tense, I think?)

窶堙娯?堙 is a sentence final particle used by female. (male form; 窶堙ｱ窶堋ｾ窶堙?窶堙ｱ窶堋ｾ窶堙?
Roughly means "Markus is also going to Treno, isn't he?/right?"

General Idea: Brother rescue.

For big brother's rescue/To rescue big brother.

As for ﾅ短ﾆ鱈, refer to the thread below.
アニキ

General Idea: W...what (thing) is it?
Japanese: Na...nanimono de aru ka?

nanigoto de aru ka?

 

[Putrefaction]

1) Ah, cool. The main idea I see, did I get the japanese right?
2) So let's say I was saying this, would I be okay in saying, Maakasu mo toreno ni ikundane?
3) I see.
4) Ah damn it, I knew it was thing, I always get confused between mono and koto/goto for that, I know it's in shigoto...thanks!

 

[Toritoribe]

2) So let's say I was saying this, would I be okay in saying, Maakasu mo toreno ni ikundane?

Yes.

did I get the japanese right?

I think your Japanese reading comprehension is NO DOUBT improving.

 

[Putrefaction]

I'm really happy you said that!

Japanese: ima no oto wa?

This is one that I was very careful about, I thought I'd get it right for sure.

A quick little question, could I have said nanimono and it meant the same effect? 何物? Or would someone get confused with 何者?

Also:

赤信号 ja arimasen.

Now, if I wanted to say, this is a picture of a red light:

Kore wa 写真 (of, not sure of word or particle) 赤信号 ja arimasen.

Not sure if that structure is right structurally or word-ally.

 

[undrentide]

Normally "nanimono" is 窶ｰﾂｽﾅｽﾃ? not 窶ｰﾂｽ窶｢ﾂｨ. It's used to ask "who?"

ﾂ静板信ﾂ坂?? ja arimasen.

ﾂ静板信ﾂ坂??窶堙??堙坂?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。 or ﾂ静板信ﾂ坂??窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋｢ﾂ。
ﾂ（窶堋ｶ窶堙｡ is also OK though it sounds more colloqual.)

Now, if I wanted to say, this is a picture of a red light:
Kore wa ﾅｽﾃ環真 (of, not sure of word or particle) ﾂ静板信ﾂ坂?? ja arimasen.

窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙債静板信ﾂ坂??窶堙固ｽﾃ環真窶堙??堙坂?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。
窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙債静板信ﾂ坂??窶堙固ｽﾃ環真窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋｢ﾂ。

ﾂ×ﾂ×ﾂ×窶堙固ｽﾃ環真ﾂ：ﾂ a photo/picture of xxxx

 

[Putrefaction]

Thank you very much, unrentide! I was thinking that nanimono would be for person instead of thing. I should have put together the akashingo no shashin thing...hm. +rep! (I need to spread some more around, apparently.) I'm new to this dewa thing (deha? dewa seems "right-er"). nai as well, though if it's anything like Indian it means no or anti.

 

[Toritoribe]

窶堋ｶ窶堙｡ is the contraction of 窶堙??堙梗dewa.] So it sounds more colloqual, as undrentide san wrote.

窶堙遺?堋｢ is the non-polite/plain form of 窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ.
窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ <--> 窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ
窶堋?窶堙ｩ <--> 窶堙遺?堋｢

 

[Putrefaction]

Oh cool. I saw that but didn't think much of it at the time. I think I am learning polite forms near the end of my semester but I'll look into it later this week.

--e

Hey guys, I was just wondering...how do you say, you saw a person?

Putrefactory o mimasu doesn't sound right plus you're treating (me)the person as an object.

This sentence sound right?

Sanjihan goro taitei toshokan de hon o yomimasu.
[At about 3:30 I usually read (books) in the library.] The only small problem I'm having is placing taitei, somehow I think it goes before the sanjihan.

How about:
Doshite ga shinbun o yomimasu ka [Why did you read the newspaper?]
Doshite ga kono hon o kakimasu ka [Why did you write this book?]

ichijikan means one hour interval. If I wanted to say, two day interval, would it be nijitsukan? How about three month? sangetsukan?

 

[Toritoribe]

I was just wondering...how do you say, you saw a person?

Putrefactory o mimasu doesn't sound right plus you're treating (me)the person as an object.

This sentence sound right?

You can use a person's name as an object of verbs/adjectives without any problems, but I think you need to pay attention to the tense.

Putrefactoryさんを見[み]ました/見かけました。
(見かける has a nuance like "to happen to see.")

Sanjihan goro taitei toshokan de hon o yomimasu.
[At about 3:30 I usually read (books) in the library.] The only small problem I'm having is placing taitei, somehow I think it goes before the sanjihan.

Te-form + いる would be more natural to express "habit" in this case.

三時半頃は大抵図書館で本を読んでいます。
大抵三時半頃は図書館で本を読んでいます。
三時半頃は図書館で大抵本を読んでいます。

As for the position of 大抵, all the aboves are acceptable. The last one could mean "I'm (surely) in the library at about 3:30, and usually read books," though.

How about:
Doshite ga shinbun o yomimasu ka [Why did you read the newspaper?]
Doshite ga kono hon o kakimasu ka [Why did you write this book?]

Tense, again.

どうして新聞[しんぶん]を読[よ]みましたか/読んだのですか？
どうしてこの本[ほん]を書[か]きましたか/書いたのですか？

読んだのですか/書いたのですか would sound more natural as spoken words.
You can use also 何故[なぜ] instead of どうして.

ichijikan means one hour interval. If I wanted to say, two day interval, would it be nijitsukan? How about three month? sangetsukan?

二日間[ふつかかん] or 二日[ふつか]
三ヶ月間[さんかげつかん] or 三ヶ月[さんかげつ] or 三月[みつき](a bit old)

間[かん] is basically always needed for "hour" and "week."


Ah, you changed your user name?;-)

 

[Putrefaction]

1) Ah, it seemed to weird to use an object marker for a person. Guess I'm still needing a lot of fine tuning with this.

2) I don't understand this one yet but I'll learn the Kanji for it. Also I didn't learn the conjugation form for it.

3) Ah I forgot to put it in past tense! But I'm glad the sentence made sense grammatically. Also, no ga? I thought you had to put ga during an interrogative. (Dore ga x en tokee desu ka?)

4) Isn't fukka meant to mean the second of the month? I was talking about let's say ordering something, and the delivery would come in a 2 day interval. (Tuesday through Thursday or something). Other than that I get it, though your last one seems really odd to me. I know it's mikka for 3rd of the month.

Hmm...much to reflect on... Yes, I changed my username because I don't feel like keeping the one I've had since 5th grade...unfortunately the AIM screenname is taken...

Might seem stupid, no ni next to the day? Instead, a wa? I guess because it's the topic marker?

Well with all those important italics, I should learn that tomorrow. Now I'll get what you mean!

--

I have a question about na adjectives.

So if I wanted to say something is beautiful, would I say ---wa kireina--- desu because it's a noun?

 

[Toritoribe]

3) Ah I forgot to put it in past tense! But I'm glad the sentence made sense grammatically. Also, no ga? I thought you had to put ga during an interrogative. (Dore ga x en tokee desu ka?)

が is the subject marker, and どうして is not the subject in that sentense("you" is the one.) Thus, you don't need to add が.

昨日何を食べましたか？
What did you eat yesterday?

昨日どこに行きましたか？
Where did you go yesterday?

Interrogatives do not always require the particle が.

4) Isn't fukka meant to mean the second of the month? I was talking about let's say ordering something, and the delivery would come in a 2 day interval. (Tuesday through Thursday or something). Other than that I get it, though your last one seems really odd to me. I know it's mikka for 3rd of the month.

ふつか[futsuka]
みつき[mitsuki]
not small っ but large つ

That's right, 二日[ふつか] refers to the second day of the month. But it also means "for two days" as same as 二日間[ふつかかん.]
e.g.
この文章[ぶんしょう]を書[か]くのに二日[ふつか]かかった。
I took two days to write these sentenses.

三月[みつき](not 三日[みっか; mikka]) is an old/archaic wording for "for three months," still used in these days though.

Might seem stupid, no ni next to the day? Instead, a wa? I guess because it's the topic marker?

は -- ...2) is the contrastive marker, and marks something that is being contrasted with something else.

You don't need to use は with temporal nouns (今日, 昨日, 去年, 来週, などなど). When you use it it means that you're contrasting something, so 今日は京都に行きます would be like "(Tomorrow I'm going to Nara/I'm not going to Kyoto tomorrow, but) today I'm going to Kyoto." 今日京都に行きます just means you're going to Kyoto today. 明日京都に行きません means "I'm not going to Kyoto tomorrow."

Like as Glenn san's examples above, that は is used to contrast 日曜日 with other days of week, something like 月曜日は忙しくありません(I'm not busy on Monday.)

I have a question about na adjectives.

So if I wanted to say something is beautiful, would I say ---wa kireina--- desu because it's a noun?

You got it!

 

[Putrefaction]

I see, I see...I have a lot to learn about interrogatives.
It is futsuka? This fits in with futari (pair, like you didn't know that one ) but in my book I see

To me at least yes, futsuka, but 3 looks like mikka and 4 yokka, but yotsuka would make more sense as 8 is youka...hm, guess my eyes arent good for small tsu's yet. Mitsuka it is!
Ugh, I still can't understand those things! I'll have to read and reread...somewhere I remember seeing that it's used as contrastive...oh yeah!

So much to reflect on...I haven't even touched the -te forms of the verbs yet! Thanks again Toritoribe.

 

[Toritoribe]

Ah, again

month
三月: みつき[mitsuki](三ヶ月[sankagetsu] is usually used.)

day
二日: ふつか[futsuka]
三日: みっか[mikka]
四日: よっか[yokka]
五日: いつか[itsuka]

As for day, "3, 4" is little っ, "2, 5" is large つ.

 

[Putrefaction]

...I just need to plain learn to read, haha!
Can you give me a sentence where you use omoshirokatta? I can't find one in Genki. Does omoshirokatta eiga desu work. (Movie was interesting).

So... ﾂ静ｦﾂ週 wa isogashii desu ka?

 

[Toritoribe]

Can you give me a sentence where you use omoshirokatta? I can't find one in Genki. Does omoshirokatta eiga desu work. (Movie was interesting).

Movie was interesting.: 窶ｰf窶ｰﾃｦ窶堙坂?堋ｨ窶堙?窶堋ｵ窶堙ｫ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。
That was interesting movie.: (窶堋?窶堙ｪ窶堙?窶堋ｨ窶堙?窶堋ｵ窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶ｰf窶ｰﾃｦ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

So... ﾂ静ｦﾂ週 wa isogashii desu ka?

ﾂ静ｦﾂ週窶堙梗COLOR="Red"]窶纏[窶堋｢窶堋ｻ窶堋ｪ]窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ[/COLOR]窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

 

[Putrefaction]

Ah, that figures I had to change it...

Post Comparison
...I just need to plain learn to read, haha!
- Can you give me a sentence where you use omoshirokatta? I can't find one in Genki. Does eiga wa omoshirokatta desu work. (Movie was interesting).
+ Can you give me a sentence where you use omoshirokatta? I can't find one in Genki. Does omoshirokatta eiga desu work. (Movie was interesting).


I really should just stick with what I write first! Thanks again.

Is there any way that senshuu wa isogashii deshita would work? Or how about if I wanted to say "I wasn't healthy last week": senshuu wa genki ja arimasen deshita"?

 

[Toritoribe]

Is there any way that senshuu wa isogashii deshita would work?

No. 窶纏窶堋ｵ窶堋｢ is an i-adjective.

present: 窶纏窶堋ｵ窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ
past: 窶纏窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷ
present-negative: 窶纏窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ/窶纏窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ
past-negative: 窶纏窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ/窶纏窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷ

Or how about if I wanted to say "I wasn't healthy last week": senshuu wa genki ja arimasen deshita"?

Yes. ﾅ陳ｳ窶ｹC is a na-adjective.

present: ﾅ陳ｳ窶ｹC窶堙??堋ｷ
past: ﾅ陳ｳ窶ｹC窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ
present-negative: ﾅ陳ｳ窶ｹC窶堙??堙坂?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ(ﾅ陳ｳ窶ｹC窶堋ｶ窶堙｡窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ sounds more colloquial.)
past-negative: ﾅ陳ｳ窶ｹC窶堙??堙坂?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ

 

[Putrefaction]

Hm. I read those in Genki but I didn't really know how to apply them...can I give you one more question:

I can see that it says "I took a beautiful picture in Okinawa ". Now, are we using mashita at the end because it describes an action done in the past and using kireei to describe the picture which is still beautiful instead of using kireeideshita...well actually would that even work? It doesn't sound right in my head...should be at the end of the sentence....I don't know, how would you say "The picture was beautiful in Okinawa"? Okinawa de shashin wa kireeideshita? Hm...let me read again...

 

[Toritoribe]

Probably you want to say it should be 京都できれいだった写真を撮りました, don't you?;-) It's tense issue. きれいな写真を撮りました is correct.

how would you say "The picture was beautiful in Okinawa"? Okinawa de shashin wa kireeideshita?

Right. 沖縄[おきなわ]で(は)写真[しゃしん]はきれい[kirei, not kireei]でした means "the picture was beautiful in Okinawa." That sentense strongly suggests that the picture is not beautiful now, or the picture is/was not beautiful in other places than Okinawa.

 

[Putrefaction]

Cool, I think I got another part of the language down. Though I didn't read on this datta. I'm still having some small problems with the extra long vowels in romaji, sorry...I did read up on -te verbs, and they are damn important!

---
Let me just do at least one more i-adj..."That Japanese test was hard."
Sono Nihongo no tesuto wa muzukashikatta desu. And one -na adjective..quiet..."That music was not quiet" (I know, doesn't really sound good but..) Sono ongaku wa shizuka ja arimasen deshita.

I'm trying to think of another example where I can use -shita at the end instead of modifying the adjective... I would have to, I think, make the subject in the past tense... Yesterday, the meat I ate was good: Kino, ii niku wa tabemashita...Now I should be right in assuming that you can only make one past tense, you can't have --katta and then -shita, right? Sorry haha, just once again concreting the stuff I am learning.

 

[Toritoribe]

Though I didn't read on this datta.

窶堋ｾ窶堙≫?堋ｽ is the non-polite form of 窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ. Polite form of adjectives can't be used when modifying nouns.
e.g.
the picture that was not beautiful
ﾂ≫?ｺ窶堋ｫ窶堙ｪ窶堋｢窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽﾅｽﾃ環真
ﾂ×窶堋ｫ窶堙ｪ窶堋｢窶堙??堙坂?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾅｽﾃ環真

Let me just do at least one more i-adj..."That Japanese test was hard."
Sono Nihongo no tesuto wa muzukashikatta desu. And one -na adjective..quiet..."That music was not quiet" (I know, doesn't really sound good but..) Sono ongaku wa shizuka ja arimasen deshita.

Perfect!
But you might be better to use ﾂ静ゼ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｸ]窶堋ｩ窶堙??堙梗/COLOR]窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ. 窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ is a polite form and 窶堋ｶ窶堙｡ is hardly used in formal situation.

Yesterday, the meat I ate was good

ﾂ催ｰ窶愿ｺﾂ食窶堙冷?堋ｽ窶愿ｷ窶堙坂?堋ｨ窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

"Good" as "delicious" is 窶堋ｨ窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堋｢.

 

[Putrefaction]

Oh, I see..so for my -na example, it would be shizuka ongaku dewa arimasen deshita? I didn't use dewa yet either. I forgot about oishii. Since I can't think of a situation where you can use -shita with an adjective can you give me one? (Your sentence said, Kyou tabeta niku wa oishikatta desu)

知る・知ります

I was just about to ask if chiru was a -u verb!

 

[Elizabeth]

Oh, I see..so for my -na example, it would be shizuka ongaku dewa arimasen deshita? I didn't use dewa yet either. I forgot about oishii. Since I can't think of a situation where you can use -shita with an adjective can you give me one? (Your sentence said, Kyou tabeta niku wa oishikatta desu)

Shizukana ongaku....

And "shita" is a verb ending.