OK. Here's some sentences from a textbook.Can anyone give me a short quiz of any sentences you think I would be able to do? Thanks! -te forms, adjectives, whatever...even if i fail i'll have a nice try! This time I'm going to do the hiragana and katakana as well as kanji. A lot of copy-pasting, yeah...
ADJECTIVES.;-)Can't edit, so hey, I just found out why I had a huge problem with -deshita and -katta.
I was confusing up the -na and -i verbs! The first one is a -na verb so it gets -deshita, and the one below is -i so if it were in past, it would get -katta.
OK. Here's some sentences from a textbook.
ﾆ知ﾆ鍛ﾆ竹窶啌ﾂ坂??窶堙坂?堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨ窶彖窶堋｢ﾆ陳哉畜ﾆ鍛ﾆ暖窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。窶ｰﾃ??堙娯?吮??窶堙娯?堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堙闇ｽdﾅｽ窶凪?堙ｰ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨ窶彖窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶?ﾂ焦督、ﾂ静ｴ窶佚ｳﾂ、窶板ｿ窶板昶?堙可、窶｢ﾃ絶?｢t窶堋ｯﾂ。窶ｰﾂｽ窶堙??堙?窶版?窶堙溪?堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
ﾆ知ﾆ鍛ﾆ竹: nopponobbo 3 go wa o(help)i robotto desu.
ie no naka no iroirona shigoto o dondon o(help)ishitekuremasu. something, wash something, ryori ni, something tsuke. nani demo something memasu.
Uh....this is going to sound weird, but anything dumber? Just throw together a sentence you think I would be able of translating based on the stuff you've generously helped me with!
Right, ﾂ湘ｦ窶堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢ is the present negative informal/casual form, so what's the past one?I know it would be noranai if it was negative casual
A textbook for,,, uh,,, pre-school children...by the way, what textbook are those from?
このスープは熱い。
This soup is hot.
What's the past negative polite form of this sentence?
Right, 乗らない is the present negative informal/casual form, so what's the past one?
Well it's an -i adjective (not verb!) so then it would be (This soup wasn't hot):
窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋ｭ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ.
And for informal negative past...窶堋ｱ窶堙姑湛ﾂーﾆ致窶堙坂?扨窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｭ窶堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷ? Most likely wrong as I have no idea.
Probably that's the one undrentide-san pointed out.Hm. I must be blind because I don't see any difference in what I put and what you have for the first one.
As for the second one I did change it but I guess you had the unedited one. I feel good that I got it right! +rep'd undrentide! (One qq, why isn't there a desu at the end of the 2nd one? Is it unneeded for casual conversations?)
窶ｰﾂｹﾅ?y窶堙債静??堋ｩ窶堋ｾI have noticed all I did was -i adjectives. I'm reading Japanese adjectives - Wikipedia and I see -na adjectives...they seem much harder.
I know that quiet (shizuka na) fits this, so, ongaku wa shizuka da? or something that would make more sense, ongaku wa shizuka de wa nai? Kore wa shizuka de wa nai ongaku? (or does ongaku go right after shizuka)
As I am reading the -te forms for adjectives...how would I use them? If I wanted to say that the baby is healthy and beautiful, genki de kirei da?
wa. that's the particle.
Is that, waikemasen or, haikemasen?
Good job!Holy. Crap. I've rarely been correct! This is a monumental day for me. I still have to remember to scan that sheet I gave my teacher...
Anyways, now inevitably comes my question of the -i adjectives and -te forms, though now that I got the -na's right, the -i's should be easy. I think, isogashii and...hmm...I guess I can't go off without omoshiroi.
ﾂ静ｦﾂ週窶堙坂?纏窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堙??堙俄?堋ｬ窶堙｢窶堋ｩ窶堙??禿岩?昶?吮?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ. (窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ if it was past tense!)
Yeah, they werent that hard once i looked up the cleaning words and 'tanomu' and noppo, still not sure what that is...ﾆ知ﾆ鍛ﾆ竹: noppo
窶ｰﾂｽ窶堙??堙?: nan demo
The sentence structures are quite simple. I think you would be able to understand just by looking up some words in a dictionary.;-)
AHAHAHAHAAA XDA textbook for,,, uh,,, pre-school children...(I changed kana into kanji, though.)
utteinai hon desu is the part where I get confused. I can understand how utte is the -te form of uru, and so what I think is that the inai is iru -> informal/casual negative, inai, but the hon at the end without an o, is that acceptable?これは日本で売っていない本です。
のっぽ(ノッポ) means "tall/gangly," or "a gangly person/thing." Probably 3号 would be for "the third version" in this case.Yeah, they werent that hard once i looked up the cleaning words and 'tanomu' and noppo, still not sure what that is...
どんどん has a nuanse of "doing the works one after another."noppo#3 helps with various things around the house (often, steadily? not sure how to work "dondon" into this sentence)
That's the appositive usage of に as same meaning as と, a quite similar structure to "A, B, C, and D" in English.Cleaning, Laundry, Cooking, and tidying up. (dont know why there is a ni after ryouri)
日本で売っていない is the adnominal/adjectival clause modifying 本, as aardwolf-san explained. Thus, the core structure of the sentence is "これは本です." That's why を isn't needed. Does this make sense?;-)From one of Elizabeth's posts in the "difference between two sentences" I saw
utteinai hon desu is the part where I get confused. I can understand how utte is the -te form of uru, and so what I think is that the inai is iru -> informal/casual negative, inai, but the hon at the end without an o, is that acceptable?
この本を売っていない国この本が（を）売っていない国
A country where that book is not selling.
Im not sure whether to use wo or ga though
Gotcha.のっぽ(ノッポ) means "tall/gangly," or "a gangly person/thing." Probably 3号 would be for "the third version" in this case.
Can you give me another example?どんどん has a nuanse of "doing the works one after
another."
んん、わかったんですけど、「ｘにｘにｘにｘ」と「ｘとｘとｘとｘ」とはだと思っていました (this is probably insanely incorrect)That's the appositive usage of に as same meaning as と, a quite similar structure to "A, B, C, and D" in English.
I need to learn the right particles that go with certain verbs when i learn them. In fact i'd like to start a list of verbs and the particles to use with them, do you know any websites that would be a good place to start?この本を売っていない国
この本が売られていない国
窶?ﾂ焦凪?ｹ@窶堙哉担ﾆ蓄窶堙ｰ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ窶ｹz窶堋｢ﾂ最ｾ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。Can you give me another example?
Off course, you can use "A窶堙隠窶堙韻窶堙吋(窶堙?/A窶堙?窶堙?窶堙?(窶堙?", too.窶堙ｱ窶堙ｱﾂ、窶堙ｭ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｯ窶堙?、ﾂ「窶塒懌?堙俄?塒懌?堙俄?塒懌?堙俄?塒慊」窶堙?「窶塒懌?堙??塒懌?堙??塒懌?堙??塒慊」窶堙??堙坂?堋ｾ窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ (this is probably insanely incorrect)
I thought it was "x ni x ni x ni x" or "x to x to x to x"
Yeah, particles are quite tough to grasp.I need to learn the right particles that go with certain verbs when i learn them. In fact i'd like to start a list of verbs and the particles to use with them, do you know any websites that would be a good place to start?
Basically, yes.窶冏 vs 窶ｰﾂｷ
Is this weather vs object again, like atsui?
Hmmmm i see! How would you translate these?窶?ﾂ焦凪?ｹ@窶堙哉担ﾆ蓄窶堙ｰ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱ窶ｹz窶堋｢ﾂ最ｾ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
ﾂ工ﾂ湘ｪ窶堙??堙債青ｻ窶｢i窶堋ｪ窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙??堙ｱﾂ催ｬ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
OkayOff course, you can use "A窶堙隠窶堙韻窶堙吋(窶堙?/A窶堙?窶堙?窶堙?(窶堙?", too.
You are always very nice!Yeah, particles are quite tough to grasp.
The explanations are just summaries but seem not bad. The important ones are the case particles, 窶堋ｪ, 窶堙ｰ, 窶堙? 窶堙? 窶堙? 窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ, 窶堙ｦ窶堙ｨ, 窶堙懌?堙? 窶堙?
Hmmmm i see! How would you translate these?
My guess:
The vacuum cleaner sucked up all the dust (dont know how to add the dondon)
At the factory, lots of products are made (ahahah agian >.< dont know how to add the dondon)
Depending on the context.窶喩窶堋鞘?壺?板 窶壺?披?堋鞘?壺?｢窶塲停?壺?楪 窶堋? 窶堋坂?堋≫?塲ｽﾂ 窶壺?｢窶壺?懌?壺?ｦﾂ 窶堙個？
窶堙?窶堋､窶堋｢窶堋ｭ窶堙個 ﾂ?｢ﾂ 窶堙?窶堋､窶堋｢窶堋ｭ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｾﾂ？
Depending on the context.
To say in falling intonation something like ごめんね、もう行くの as same nuanse as もう行かなきゃ("sorry, I have to leave soon"), yes, a male would use もう行くんだ for that. But when asking in rising intonation if the listener goes, もう行くの can be used by both male and female. もう行くのか is also used by male.
These colloquial expressions are so different by regions and generations. Actually, I myself would use the dialect もう行くんか for もう行くのか with my friends or family. But old men might use もう行くだか/もう行くでや
Uh, I have to say it's tough or risky to generalize the nuance.okay:
Rising intonation = question
falling intonation = explanation
のか = (rising) not distinctly effeminate or manly
んか = (rising) more manly
の(falling) = neuter
の(rising) = feminine
んだ(rising) = more manly(?) (this is what i originally meant to ask, when you use it with a rising intonation. Is this okay?)
んだ = (falling) more manly
Is this right?
No. じゃん as the sentence final particle is not the contraction of じゃない. It's a dialect originally used in Yokohama.～じゃん is the shortened form of じゃねー≫じゃない？ so its like saying "isnt that _____?" this is highly feminine right? only the girls in the anime im watching use it.
きゃ is the contraction of ければ(e.g. 行かなきゃ = 行かなければ), quite frequently used both by male and female in conversation. Similarly, ちゃう is the contraction of てしまう(笑っちゃう = 笑ってしまう).and~ きゃ
You use this quite a bit it seems, what does it mean? is it related to ちゃう？
ちゃう means ちがう in Kansai dialect.also, is one definition of ちゃう a shortened form of ちがう？
And another 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ is shortened 窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､ﾂ。窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ means 窶堋ｿ窶堋ｪ窶堋､ in Kansai dialect.
OkayUh, I have to say it's tough or risky to generalize the nuance.
ﾂ行窶堋ｭﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙仰、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙ｭﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙ｦﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｺﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｼﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｩﾂ、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堙按、ﾂ行窶堋ｭ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ,,, there are tons of expression even for the statement "I'll go" by male in standerd Japanese. Sentence final particles are EXTREMELY hard to grasp far more than case particles in a sense.
窶堋ｪ窶堙≫?堙??堙ｱﾂ〜No. 窶堋ｶ窶堙｡窶堙ｱ as the sentence final particle is not the contraction of 窶堋ｶ窶堙｡窶堙遺?堋｢. It's a dialect originally used in Yokohama.
窶堋ｫ窶堙｡ is the contraction of 窶堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙?e.g. ﾂ行窶堋ｩ窶堙遺?堋ｫ窶堙｡ = ﾂ行窶堋ｩ窶堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙?, quite frequently used both by male and female in conversation. Similarly, 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ is the contraction of 窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､(ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ = ﾂ湘寂?堙≫?堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､).
窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ means 窶堋ｿ窶堋ｪ窶堋､ in Kansai dialect.
And another 窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ is shortened 窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､ﾂ。
ﾂ債｢窶堙≫?堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ﾂ??債｢窶堙≫?堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋､
ﾂ〜窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ conjugates as a godan verb.How does ﾂ〜窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堋､ conjugate?