Can you rephrase that?
again,as for this matter ,The illegal immigration, the traveler, and the permanent resident are the same when seeing from the Japanese because they dont have a Jaspanese passport
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Can you rephrase that?
again,as for this matter ,The illegal immigration, the traveler, and the permanent resident are the same when seeing from the Japanese because they dont have a Jaspanese passport
I was asking you to rephrase your later comment.
That doesn't solve the problem.
caster,Quote:Therefore in my eyes the government has recognised that fact, so why should I when entering back to my "HOME" have to provide fingerprints everytime?
caster's reply:
I think because you dont have a Japanese passport.
BTW
Glensky;
why dont you get a Japanese nationality?
Aside from the fact that this ignores zainichi and SOFA holders, it just shows how stupid and racist and wrongfully paranoid the MOJ is.The illegal immigration, the traveler, and the permanent resident are the same when seeing from the Japanese because they dont have a Jaspanese passport
Ok, no smokescreen, but a straw man argument, then. Or would you prefer calling it non sequitur?The illegal immigrant situation I mentioned was not a smoke screen. It was a response to the idea that "guest" as I used it do not pay taxes...in other words, there were statements made by others that suggested that when the government expects one to pay taxes he/she is no longer a guest.
Sorry, but that didn't shine through, especially since you wrote comments like " i don't really care at all myself".Further, I recognized that you might have some just cause for feeling treated unfairly with those other government personnel being admitted without fingerprinting.
Forget the zainichi. I'm not one of them. Even if I let it go that they have any right to be exempt from the fingerprinting (I'm not saying I feel that way, just using it as a hypothetical to get to the real issues which you seem not to have read or understood in this very lengthy thread), then there are other reasons not to trust the MOJ here. If you don't know or understand that (and I suspect that is the case), then you have no business trying to defend the MOJ or your own ridiculous POV (which borders on trolling, if you really want to know my feeling).I for one trust the Japanese government well enough to at least ask the question: "Why?" and pay attention to see if there is a logical reason for it that validates the segregation. As we see when we consider the Korean special status, there may well be a very valid reason when considered in depth.
This is precisely the semantics I figured you'd spout. Agree to disagree on this one word and look at the rest of the situation from a tax-paying resident's point of view, or leave this thread alone."Citizenship in a nation-state confers an inalienable right of residence in that state, but residency of non-citizens is subject to conditions set by immigration law."
In other words, your residency is NOT inalienable. Thus, they can remove your from their country at their discretion, without evidence or proof. It is their right, because you, my friend, are a GUEST.
Stop right there. I am a member of the community. You cannot say otherwise. I never claim to be a Japanese citizen, but I am a local citizen here. Legally, unlike the Mexicans our own President in the USA is dithering on showing certain rights or penalties.But you are, nonetheless, a guest. Not a citizen. An immigrant who has taken up residence in a country to which he is not a member,
Sorry, the government itself (by your definition from Wikipedia) gave me the right to reside here. I am a member of the "team". Just not a Japanese citizen.You are a guest buddy, until you decide to join the team, and you are ALLOWED to stay there not granted the RIGHT to stay there.
To certain extents, I do appreciate the right to stay here. However, you clearly fail to understand the human rights abuses taken by the same government against foreigners. Until you learn that one simple point, we have nothing further to discuss. Let me educate you on this a bit by pointing you towards www.debito.org . You don't have to digest the whole site. You'd retire by the time you did.You should recognize your actual status and appreciate them for allowing you to stay there at all. I would be.
happilyengaged said:You are a guest buddy, until you decide to join the team, and you are ALLOWED to stay there not granted the RIGHT to stay there.
happilyengaged said:You should recognize your actual status and appreciate them for allowing you to stay there at all. I would be.
Pretty unfair judgment
the logical human rights advocates that live among you.
And, no, I and other foreigners cannot use the "facilities" the same as Japanese. Wake up.
I think you misunderstand the difference between distinguish and discrimination.Why is it that your country signed an international treaty against racism and discrimination over 10 years ago, yet has not enacted a single law to enforce that claim? Because they can't "hundle" it!
I and other foreigners cannot use the "facilities" the same as Japanese. Wake up
Enlighten us, if you would.I think you misunderstand the difference between distinguish and discrimination.
I think you don't even recognize the meaning of the word discrimination, but I'd like to see you explain what you meant above
I don't agree with the human rights violation inherent in that policy
Contribution to the countries where you are living, such as tax, pension or fingerprinting is nothing to do with discrimination.
The US-Japan agreement on their pension scheme, moreover, enables your payment in Japan to be granted in the US one now.
Being fingerprinted does.
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Why?
What happens if I refuse to be fingerprinted?
If you visit the Embassy or Consulate for an interview and refused to have your fingerprints taken, your application will be refused on the basis that it is incomplete. If you later decide to have your fingerprints taken, then your application would be considered without prejudice.
http://tokyo.usembassy.gov/e/visa/tvisa-niv-biofaq.html