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Two days have passed. Thread reopened. Keep it civil this time!
Two days have passed. Thread reopened. Keep it civil this time!
Japan is responsible for the conditions in which women were forced to serve as sex slaves to Japanese soldiers during World War II, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said in an interview with foreign press organizations, in what appears to be his latest attempt to juggle sweeping international criticism and his traditionally nationalist stance on the issue.....
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"We are responsible for situations in which they had to serve as comfort women," Abe said. He also said that as human being, he felt pity for them from the bottom of his heart. "As a prime minister, I feel truly sorry for them."
Thanks for asking. Well here it is...(Part One; acknowledgement and apology)What do you want Japan to do?
(Part Two; Atonement and Compensation)What do you want Japan to do?
What about girls who were sold into prostition by their parents? I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure this actually occurred. Should the Japanese government apologize to such women as well? Where does the responsibility rise in such cases?
I think Japan should not apologize to prostitutes.
There is still no hard evidence for the coercion, kidnapping, and rape of the women.First have the Prime Minister go to the United Nations and make a speech in front of the General Assembly denouncing the Japanese Imperial Army for it's actions during WWII, to include all war crimes, including the coercion, kidnapping, and rape of the women from "Comfort Women" issue, among a list of other things as well. Making sure there is the maximum amount of exposure on TV and other media throughout the world.
His apology was done as one of the countries concerned with the situation that human rights were infringed.ﾂ?｡ﾋ?藩??窶｢w窶禿｢窶佚ｨ
Qﾂ：As you know, your comments on "comfort women" caused an outcry in the United States. Do you really believe the Imperial Army had no program to force Korean, Chinese and other women to provide sexual services to Japanese soldiers?
Aﾂ：I have to express sympathy from the bottom of my heart to those people who were taken as wartime comfort women. As a human being I would like to express my sympathies, and also as prime minister of Japan I need to apologize to them. The 20th century was a century in which human rights were infringed upon in numerous parts of the world, and Japan also bears responsibility in that regard. I believe that we have to look at our own history with humility, and we always have to think about our responsibility.
Qﾂ：ﾋ?藩??窶｢w窶堙嫁?ﾃ問?堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堋?窶堙遺?堋ｽ窶堙姑坦ﾆ陳?停?愴暖窶堙坂?｢ﾃ?坂?倪?堙?抗窶ｹc窶堙ｰﾅｽﾃ､窶堋ｫ窶ｹN窶堋ｱ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶ｹﾅ停?凖ｩﾂ坂?倪?板､ﾅ坦窶堋ｪ窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾂ人窶｢ﾂｺﾅｽm窶堙可青ｫ窶堙姑探ﾂーﾆ池ﾆ湛窶堙ｰ窶凖ｱ窶ｹﾅｸ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙ｰﾅ?ﾃ伉坂?伉、窶吮??ﾂ坂?伉、窶伉ｼﾂ坂?倪?堙個鞘?板青ｫ窶堙俄?ｹﾂｭ窶堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堋ｪ窶堙遺?堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙?、ﾅｽﾃ?ﾂ催帚?堙可信窶堋ｶ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ。
Aﾂ：ﾅｽ窶樞?堙債、ﾂ心窶堙娯?凖ｪ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ静ｭﾅｽﾅｾ窶堙戸?藩??窶｢w窶堙娯?｢ﾃｻﾂ々窶堙可深窶堋ｭ窶慊ｯﾂ湘ｮ窶堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙寂?堙遺?堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢ﾂ。ﾅｽ窶樞?堙債人ﾅ?ﾃ披?堙??堋ｵ窶堙?、ﾂ深窶堋ｭ窶慊ｯﾂ湘ｮ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋｢ﾂ、窶堙懌?堋ｽﾂ、窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堙固ｽﾃｱ窶佛?窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙?、ﾅｽ窶樞?堙債、窶敕楪鞘?披?堙ｧ窶堙嫁ｽﾃ凪?堙ｩ窶｢K窶牌窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｩﾂ。20ﾂ青｢窶ｹI窶堙債、ﾂ青｢ﾅ?E窶堙娯?伉ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堙個湘ｪﾂ焦?窶堙?人ﾅ陳?窶堋ｪﾂ侵ﾅ?Q窶堋ｳ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｽﾂ青｢窶ｹI窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堋ｵ窶堙?、窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堙?窶堙懌?堋ｽﾂ、窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?彑窶堙嫁?ﾃ問?堋ｵ窶堙?静凪?戮窶堙ｰ窶｢窶ｰ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾅｽ窶樞?傳窶堙債、ﾅ陳ｪ窶ｹ窶｢窶堙嫁ｽ窶樞?傳窶堙娯?氾ｰﾅｽj窶堙ｰﾅ陳ｩ窶堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙寂?堙遺?堙ｧ窶堋ｸﾂ、窶堙懌?堋ｽﾂ、ﾅｽ窶樞?傳窶堙債湘ｭ窶堙嫁ｽ窶樞?傳窶堙個静凪?戮窶堙嫁?ﾃ問?堋ｵ窶堙?考窶堋ｦ窶堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙寂?堙遺?堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢ﾂ。
Qﾂ：Do you now believe that the Imperial Army forced these women into this situation?
Aﾂ：With regards to the wartime comfort-women issue, my administration has been saying all along that we continue to stand by the Kono Statement [a 1993 acknowledgment of Japan's partial responsibility for the brothels]. We feel responsible for having forced these women to go through that hardship and pain as comfort women under the circumstances at the time.
Qﾂ：窶堋?窶堙遺?堋ｽ窶堙債、窶ｹﾅ停?凖ｩﾂ坂?倪?板､ﾅ坦窶堋ｪ窶敕楪鞘?披?堙ｧ窶堙ｰﾂ、窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｧ窶堙個湘ｳ窶ｹﾂｵ窶堙問?ｹﾂｭﾂ青ｧ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堙?信窶堋ｶ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
Aﾂ：ﾂ静ｭﾅｽﾅｾ窶堙戸?藩??窶｢w窶禿｢窶佚ｨ窶堙嫁?ﾃ問?堋ｵ窶堙??堙債、ﾅｽ窶樞?堙娯?愿?ﾅ?t窶堙??堙債、窶ｰﾃ坂?禿ｬ窶冖ﾋ彙[ﾋ?藩??ﾂ焦?窶堙俄?佚寂?堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堙娯?｢窶昶?｢ﾂｪ窶廬窶堙按静凪?戮窶堙ｰ窶戳窶堙溪?堋ｽ1993窶扼窶堙娯?｢\窶督ｾ]窶堙ｰﾅ恥ﾂ渉ｳ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堙??｢\窶督ｾ窶堋ｵ窶伉ｱ窶堋ｯ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。ﾅｽ窶樞?傳窶堙債、窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｧ窶堙個鞘?板青ｫ窶堙ｰﾋ?藩??窶｢w窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙?、窶ｹﾃｪ窶愿ｯ窶堙｢ﾂ、窶ｹﾃｪ窶凖俄?堙俄?卍ｼ窶禿岩?堋ｳ窶堋ｹ窶堋ｽﾂ静凪?戮窶堙ｰﾅ?'窶堋ｶ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
kindanaped and raped? even Today there are many Korean prostitutes by money. japan did not need that. it is enough to negotiate with money.What about women that are literally kidnapped, raped, and held against their will, into prostitution, do they deserve to be put into the same category?
.Police in Korea arrested five people for trafficking 443 underprivileged people, including the disabled, to sea farms and slave ships on remote islands. Three more suspects possibly involved in the smuggling ring are wanted by authorities.
The Busan Maritime Police arrested five people, including a Mr. Kim (48), and are searching for three more suspects possibly involved in the smuggling ring. According to the police, the smugglers allegedly put false advertisements in community papers promising jobs and monthly incomes of 2 million to 4 million won in early January.
Then they sold a 25-year-old mentally retarded man who visited them for a job to an owner of a fishing boat. Before that, they bought drinks for him, made him have a sex with a prostitute and burdened him with 5 million won of debt, the police said.
They also charged him 13 million won in pre-paid wage; he tried to escape from the boat three days after he was sold.
The offenders earned a total of 1 billion won in commissions and pre-paid wages for 443 workers by trafficking them to fishing boats and sea farming in Shinan and Jindo counties in Jeolla Province since 2005. The victims included the disabled, cancer patients, the homeless and the unemployed
There is still no hard evidence for the coercion, kidnapping, and rape of the women.
There is still no hard evidence for the coercion, kidnapping, and rape of the women.
Is your purpose to show that Japan is inferior to your country morally? not to clarify the truth.
Here is PM Abe's interview with NewsWeek.
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His apology was done as one of the countries concerned with the situation that human rights were infringed.
It may be a pandora's box for many other countries.
..one person's "barbarian" is another person's "just doing what everybody else is doing." The question is, Whom do we wish to blame? More precisely, Whom do we believe we have the right to blame?
Also as you know there is no evidence to say it didn't happen as well. This one goes both ways.
all can say like that " i was raped"..and so on.....as a false testimonyWhat about women that are literally kidnapped, raped, and held against their will, into prostitution, do they deserve to be put into the same category?
Also as you know there is no evidence to say it didn't happen as well. This one goes both ways.
One place this case is being tried is in the court of world opinion, and right now it doesn't help Japan's case to have a PM that seems to be back tracking from saying one thing and saying something else. His credibility is at issue as well.
Logical fallacy for the second time?
The burden of proof is placed on you, not on her.
A qualification should be made at this point. In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence despite searching, as positive evidence towards its non-occurrence. (Copi 1953)
????I reference in one case the cases of the women who were forced into brothel's in the Dutch East Indies.
I reference in one case the cases of the women who were forced into brothel's in the Dutch East Indies.
If it happens one place, and as others have shown here, brothel's did exist, it is rather easy to assume that the same patterns of action occured in other locations as well.
Hence the burden of proof is not on me or those that believe these women but on the people that continually claim that it never happened.
Dutch women case in Indonesia is rather evidence that Japanese army's rule worked well on brothel (so-called Comfort women) system. Some Japanese army officers forced them to be prostitutes against the order. It was a crime.
..........If you reference this case, be carefully.
19. The international law questions in this case are
(a) whether the jugun ianfu scheme violated international law at the time it was operating;
(b) whether women and girls forced to participate in the jugun ianfu scheme have a right to compensation awarded by this Court.
20. In presenting my opinion on this question I will assume and acknowledge that:
(a) Japan was a party to the Hague Convention of 1907 (The Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV) and Annexed Regulations, Oct. 18, 1907, 1 Bevans 631 (the Hague Convention or the Hague Regulations)) at all times between 1937 and 1945 and was accordingly bound by its
terms;
(b) Japan was bound by customary international law in force between 1937 and 1945 and by that special body of customary international laws referred to as fundamental principles of law as in force between 1939 and 1945. Japan is currently bound by customary international law and fundamental principles of law in force now.
21. In my opinion the acts alleged by plaintiffs were violations of international law at the time they were committed and the plaintiffs in this suit have a right to compensation awarded by this Court as victims of the jugun ianfu scheme. The following defends this opinion.
THE JUGUN IANFU SCHEME UNQUESTIONABLY CONSTITUTED WAR CRIME AT THE TIME IT WAS OPERATING.
22. The Statute of the International Court of Justice recognizes customary international law and fundamental principles of law as sources of international law. (Stat. International Court of Justice, art. 38). This article duplicates a similar article in the earlier statute of the Permanent Court of International Justice. The sources of international law set out in these statutes had been universally recognized for at least several centuries. Under universally recognized principles of international law, customary international law and fundamental principles of law are legally binding on all states. While some few exceptions to customary norms are allowed as in the case of the "persistent objector", customary law that is viewed as jus cogens or that gives rise to obligations erga omnes are absolute and not subject to any exception. (See Karen Parker & Lyn B.Neylon, Jus Cogens: Compelling the Law of Human Rights, 12 Hastings Int'l & Comp. L. Rev. 411 (1989)(available in the Japanese language)).
23. Under the jugun ianfu scheme, the government of Japan abducted or fraudulently induced the recruitment of women and girls from territories under Japanese occupation, transported them away from their homes, detained them in special facilities, and allowed its soldiers to repeatedly rape them. A significant number of women and girls were murdered outright or allowed to die of injuries or starvation. Most were beaten and grossly abused. Many were forced to watch other women and girls murdered, beaten or abused. Food and medical care for them was grossly inadequate. Their living conditions were atrocious. In sum, the jugun ianfu scheme represented the nadir of inhumanity.
24. In legal terms, victims of the jugun ianfu scheme, were murdered, deported, enslaved, imprisoned, tortured by rape and other forms of torture, and subjected to inhumane acts.
25. During World War II these acts were determined by international legal experts and scholars to be violations of international law binding on all nations at that time
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Pipokun what do you want Japan to do?
I wanted to see the answer to this part:
(b) whether women and girls forced to participate in the jugun ianfu scheme have a right to compensation awarded by this Court.
But I couldn't find it, unfortunately. From Pipokun's article, and the related articles on that page, it seems that legally Japan is not under any obligation to compensate forced laborers any further. The only question I have here is whether that includes the comfort women or not.
I wanted to see the answer to this part:
(b) whether women and girls forced to participate in the jugun ianfu scheme have a right to compensation awarded by this Court.
But I couldn't find it, unfortunately. From Pipokun's article, and the related articles on that page, it seems that legally Japan is not under any obligation to compensate forced laborers any further. The only question I have here is whether that includes the comfort women or not.