I know you want to differentiate the issue of Japan and other military brothels by using the phrase, "were forced into". But be careful, obeika. Koreans may be upset if you say women at the military brothel in the Korean war were not forced...
Sadly the denial of war atrocities continues in Japan, Abe is taking the country back to its militaristic past, and has the gall to call this "beautiful."
1. Japanese gorverment sets up ads for prostitutes in South East Asia.
2. Many apply and are sent to the Philippines
3a. The prostitutes want to go back.
4a. Their wish is refused; They are continuously raped.
3a. The prostitutes want to work less.
4a. they are raped forcefully.
i am sure not all Japanese soldiers were evil, and not all the military personnels treated prostitutes as dogs.This is one of the examples to show evilness of war.
A huge fraud case
Even a general criminal case,
Though minimum logical proof is necessary,
Proof of a case is not done,
However, we are guilty.
If there is a logical thought, anyone wonders.
1.Why is not there the advertisement?
Were not they kidnapped?
2.If they kidnap her and rape her,
Why did they take her with them to the Philippines?
The non-efficiency.
3.A soldier wanted to return, too.
4.Their wish is refused;
They got a large reward.
A document proves this.
5.I am mysterious about this,
A rule at a prostitution place,
They always think about her health.
This has evidence.
Proof of a case is not done,However, we are guilty.
?Guilt?☝
I said in this way before.
I cannot judge a past act by modern law.
Establishment of the Anti-Prostitution Law is April 1, 1957
However,
"The Japanese government kidnaps her"
"A soldier rapes her"
If there is those evidence, we are surely guilty.
Therefore please show evidence to prove a story of a prostitute to me.
ONEGAI SHIMASU.
Koreans had been unfortunate that they had been uninformed that their government spent the compensation from Japan for their economic growth.Do you think that all these women, making claims against the Japanese government and telling their stories about being comfort women are liars?
Ummm. You need to educate yourself. As I said, it was a private-government combined fund, it's clear that the payments are provided by the government as well as private individuals. Nothing is ambiguous.I hope you realize that, the Asian Women's Fund was rejected purely because it was a non-government organization, the Japanese Government did not want to "officially" admit any compliance.
There was no official government participation in the fund, it was purposely ambigious.
Yeah, you are quite simple-minded. It's all yes or no, right or wrong. I don't believe in dichotomy, the question is nonsense, that's why I didn't vote.Now for you diceke same question that I asked hanachan which she hasn't answered yet. Simple question, simple answer......
Do you think that all these women, making claims against the Japanese government and telling their stories about being comfort women are liars?
Give me a straight answer a simple, yes or no.
Um...I agree that this question can not be answered with a simple yes or no.Do you think that all these women, making claims against the Japanese government and telling their stories about being comfort women are liars?
A simple yes or no will suffice....thank you.
Koreans had been unfortunate that they had been uninformed that their government spent the compensation from Japan for their economic growth.
Um...I agree that this question can not be answered with a simple yes or no.
Eeeeeeeeee...............So.....pretty much only the testimony of the survivors remains.
Eeeeeeeeee...............
If a story of a Korean prostitute is right,
200,000 Korean prostitutes and the 400,000 parents are illiterate?
Though 200000 people disappeared, is not rumor recorded?
A document of the United States Armed Forces has the evidence that a Korean prostitute got a salary from.
(What's bulls**t? At least I'm trying to be polite.)I hope you all realize that all you are doing is beating around the bush with the same responses, and you and others are attempting to bury everyone with bulls**t, or ask inocuous questions, or change the subject and make comparisons to some other event in history, and the list goes on.
Have you read the poll recently?
Are you that thick to believe that these women didn't have something atrocious happen to them, do you actually think that it didnt't happen?
Answer me plain and simple here hanachan, if you can that is, if you can't I'll understand, it's because you're Japanese.
Do you think that all these women, making claims against the Japanese government and telling their stories about being comfort women are liars?Give me a straight answer, no bulls**t please. a simple , yes or no. .
You know what, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
It is just a term meaning don't try to obfuscate or "explain" away the response, just answer yes or no please.(What's bulls**t? At least I'm trying to be polite.)
Not enough to Judge Yes or No.
Their stories about being comfort women are true. Comfort women are just prostitutes, even if their backgrounds(circumstances?) should be sympathized with.
However, there is no evidence that Japanese army or government were involved with abductions and compulsion of prostitution
It is only the supposition that you hope for.☝Like I wrote earlier, not evidence that you or other Japanese will accept, as pretty much all the "evidence" that you will accept has been destroyed.
You need to be aware the number is indeed a rough estimate, and not necessarily accurate. The estimates can vary greatly, but the accusing party tends to assert the higher number.☝Are you suggesting that all the roughly 200,000 women that "serviced" the Japanese Imperial Army did so of their own free will and all were prostitutes?
I showed you the evidence kept at your country....
Like I wrote earlier, not evidence that you or other Japanese will accept, as pretty much all the "evidence" that you will accept has been destroyed.
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Evidence documenting sex-slave coercion revealed
By REIJI YOSHIDA
Staff writer
A group of historians said Tuesday in Tokyo they have discovered seven official trial documents suggesting the Japanese military directly forced women to work at some of their frontline brothels in Indonesia, China, East Timor and Vietnam.
The documents were produced and submitted by the Dutch, French and Chinese governments to the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, widely known among Japanese as the Tokyo Trial.
The seven documents, which the tribunal adopted as evidence, eventually led to the Japanese military's actions being recognized as a war crime in a chapter on atrocities that was included in the tribunal's 1948 judgment, the scholars from the Center for Research and Documentation on Japan's War Responsibility said at a news conference at the Foreign Correspondents' Club in Japan.
The seven-document discovery may embarrass the Cabinet of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe as well as other conservative lawmakers who recently said there is no evidence proving the Japanese military was directly involved in "forcibly taking" women to military brothels.
"The Special Naval Police (Tokei Tai) had ordered to keep the brothels supplied with women; to this end they arrested women on the streets and after enforced medical examination placed them in the brothels," one document, titled Prosecution Document No. 5330, says. The report on "comfort women" in western Borneo was prepared by the Netherlands Forces Intelligence Service.
"Women who had had relations with Japanese were forced into there brothels, which were surrounded by barbed wire. They were only allowed on the streets with special permission," the document says.
The seven documents were initially made public at the war crimes trial from 1946 to 1948. Parts of three of them were briefly reported on by the Asahi Shimbun in 1997. Many former comfort women have given public testimony about similar experiences with coercion at military brothels.
But little of the seven trial documents -- officially prepared by three non-Japanese governments and used as evidence -- had been revealed to the public until now, which is why the war study center held Tuesday's news conference, said Hirofumi Hayashi, a professor at Kanto-Gakuin University and a research director at the center.
"I organized a brothel for the soldiers and used it myself," Lt. Seidai Ohara of the Japanese military was quoted in Prosecution Document No. 5591, dated Jan. 13, 1946.
Ohara was being interrogated about a case in Moa Island, Indonesia. Some of the women were unwilling to work in the brothel but were forced to do so anyway because they were the daughters of the men who attacked the Kempei Tai (Japanese military police), he said.
Hayashi said at the news conference that "the (postwar) Japanese government accepted the war criminal trial with Article 11 of the peace treaty" that was signed to end the postwar Occupation in 1951.
"Thus the Japanese government must admit the coercion and criminality of the comfort women system," Hayashi said.
"I admit to have slapped these women with the flat of my hand; I also ordered them to undress," the document quotes Shuichi Hayashi as saying. "I do not think these women were actually punishable, but their arrest ... was only a pretext to put them in a brothel."
In one document dated March 13, 1946, and unearthed last year by Kanto Gakuin University historian Hirofumi Hayashi, Dutch prosecutors quote an Imperial Navy employee as saying women in occupied Indonesia were rounded up on phony charges so they could be forced into brothels.
At a press conference, researchers will tell something about the issue.
But their logic sounds really strange to me.
They claim that they finally uncovered the secret docoments at the Tokyo Trials and that Japan must have responsibility for the issue again becasue Japan had aleady persecuted at the Tokyo Trials.
Needless to say, Japan accepted the judgments of the trials and of other Allied War Crimes Courts both within and outside Japan. And, of course, Japan had already paid reparation to the countries concerned. And the documents are not secret at all.
PRC and Korea were not invited to the Treaty of Peace with Japan, however Japan and the countries normalised the relations with bilateral treaties.
I need your information.I showed you the evidence kept at your country.
And you support all women, right? But unfortunately I have never heard of any apology or compensation from the countries about the military brothel. Tell me what you learned the military brothel of yours at your country.
Geez now why in the heck did you change this quote from 12:26 this afternoon to;
Instead of going "back" and rewriting a post why not be honest enough to leave what you wrote originally and write another post with this quoted information here?On a part of a document throat,
Is the evidence that kidnapped a Korean woman written?
It is the official document which anyone can know commonly.
Quote:Originally Posted by pipokun
I showed you the evidence kept at your country.
And you support all women, right? But unfortunately I have never heard of any apology or compensation from the countries about the military brothel. Tell me what you learned the military brothel of yours at your country.
I hope you realize that you are quoting yourself here?I need your information.