Christianity in Japan

Well if the Bodhisatvas, Amida, etc. aren't gods, then Shinto doesn't have gods either. If Buddhism is a philosophy rather than a religion, then Shinto is just a gathering of supersitions. If Asian people are philosophic, then everybody is a a way. And if the average young Japanese ain't atheist then I am the pope. :sorry:
It all depends on what meaning one puts behind words. :p
 
Konnichiwa Mandylion-san!

There is a Buddha but not a god in Buddhism. But in Japan, a lot of people regard a Buddha in the same light as a god. Because Japanese Buddhism is Mahayana but not Hinayana.
Originally, Buddhism is the way to Buddhahood by myself. But Japanese(or Mahayana) Buddhism is the way to the land of Perfect Bliss with all people by Buddha(or Bodhisattva).
Sorry, I can not good explain Buddhism in English. But Buddha and God is different in the strict sense of the word.:D

NANGI
 
Howdy Nangi- I think I see what you are getting at. Don窶冲 worry, I spent a lot of time on Buddhism in university. I agree with you, in the strictest sense Buddhist conceptions of a god is not same as the Judeo-Christian ones. However, it is important to recognize practice and not just doctrine when looking at the whole picture of a religion. While there may not be doctrinal support for Buddha as a god, Mahayana has certainly made the Buddha an object of devotional practice. In the common conception of Buddhism, no matter how much Shakyamuni or the priests would like to disagree, god(s) exist.
Compromise between doctrine and practice is present in all religions. Modern religion must allow enough wiggle room for practitioners窶 emotional and practical needs. For example, Zen allows nothing for an afterlife. This life is it folks. But you can find Zen temples and priests performing obon rites and other acts of ancestor veneration on behalf of their danka. If there is no afterlife, why do the spirits of the dead need help after passing? Priests do and say things to comfort their followers that don窶冲 always mesh with doctrine. A Christian minister will say 窶忱our grandfather is with God窶 to comfort a grieving family. But what about Revelations? What happened to graves being opened and all standing before the seat of judgment? Fact is a grieving person wants to feel that their relative is in a better place, not entombed in some dusty grave, decomposing, waiting on the Messiah and final judgment. Same goes with the growth of similar dogmatic additions to other religions. There is the concept of god in Mahayana Buddhism because the people want it. Because it lies outside of doctrine does not make it invalid. Indeed, to me, such developments are critical in understanding a religion because they show the descent of religious philosophy from the ivory towers and into the hands of the people. Does that make it a corrupting practice? Depends on where you stand.
 
Anyway, as most Japanese have the same approach to Buddhist deities and Shinto gods (and often can't say which is which), I'd say that for ordinary people Mahayana Buddhsim has gods. And as Hindu will tell you, Buddha (who was Hindu himself, not Buddhist :p ) is just an avatar of Vishnu, and thus Buddhism (and Jainism) is a branch of Hinduism, like Christianity and Islam are branches of Judaism.
More interestingly, Hinduism was brought to India by the Aryans from the Caucasus/Black Sea region. The original Aryan religion was a polytheism that gave birth to ancient European religions too (i.e. Greco-Roman, Celtic, Nordic...).

Consequently, we could group most of famous world religions in 2 teams : Aryan polytheism (Greco-Roam, Nordic, Celtic polytheism + Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism...) and Semitic monotheism (Judaism, Christianity, Islam + lots of new age sects).
 
I believe that Christanity will be the downfall of the United States.

Although I keep my religious views private, I feel christanity causes more harm than good, and is an ignorant religion.

I am glad that Japan has not been brainwashed by the Christian religion.

I have studied Christanity very much, and that is why I have such negative feelings about it. I have read most of the Bible and attend Christian church services many times.

Christians are taught that all other religions are evil and wrong. They are told that you will go to a "hell" if you do not follow their religion. It is a very corupt religion that has to scare people into accepting its ideas. Christianity also rejects almost all forms of scientific proof, and offers only childish explanations (like fairy tales).

I do not wish to argue with any Christians, I am simply stating my views on the topic.
 
Hi Rotarypower !

I completely agree with you. Christianity, which is supposed to be based on the principles of love and tolerance, is indeed intolerant to other religion. That's this exclusive faith that made Bush say "If you are not with us, you are against us". Behind this I understand, if you are not Christian, you are wrong. That reminds me how crusades against the infidels, buring heretics at the stake and killing native Americans who didn't want to convert, all this in the name of love and tolerance. :mad:
 
I supposed i would be asking too much if i where to find an ニ竪ニ築ニ弛窶堙個湘伉人ツ in this forum, but rotarypower is right, Christendom has been the downfall of society and a MAJOR force in Babylon the great, they teach a burning hell fire, when in the bible eternal fire is used to illustrate eternal death, they changed the meaning in the bible to make the society more law obeying, in the early days of Catholicism.
There is 1 out of 578 Jehovah's witness in the Japanese population, why? Maybe because they are the only Christians that actually "evangelize" and quote un quote "go out in the world and make disciples of all the nations" with humility. I don't know but all the other forms of Christianity call them selves something that has relatively nothing to do with Christianity, Protestant, Methodist, and Catholic. But the Jehovah's witnesses actually named themselves what the bible told them to name themselves.

ISAIAH 23:10
LUKE 11:48
ACTS 7:32

Not to mention, the only religion persecuted in the holocaust. For what they believed and not because of their creed.
 
Hi, I'm part of a non-church Japanese-Christian group called Makuya (translates to "Tabernacle"). Anyway, here's a lil bit about it. It was started by Prof. Ikuro Teshima in 1953(?) after he encountered God at Mount Aso in Kumamoto. He fled to Mt. Aso because he was going to be arrested for protesting the closing of he eldest son's elementary school by the American government. Make a long story short, we believe in the non-church belief because having an elaborate church or building is taking away from praying to God. We pray and worship in our homes (in the US and Canada we do because there aren't many of us but in Japan, with the larger groups, there are larger rooms/buildings for gatherings). We aren't radical Japanese-Christians ie say we're right and everyone else is wrong, or not believe in anything else. We are actually a group that accepts other beliefs and tries to harmonize between all the different groups Jews, arabs, muslims as an example.. anyway, if you want more info PM or email me.
 
Those mormon missionaries are elect! 😇

I think some people take religion too far. Look at the radical muslims. They use Islam as their excuse to blow up their enemies. I know this comparison is extreme.

But, I think those Christians who shout their messages and disrupt people are extreme too. They embarass the other christian sects that seem to be traditional and reverent. I am not sure they are real.

I think you have to have a sincere heart and devotion to a religion to be real to that religion.

I think that some Japanese take christianity as a cultural experience and nothing more. I saw something before where gospel music became popular for some to sing. But, I am sure it has died out.

I do know that the Japanese Latter-Day Saints are very spiritual and devoted. They have a strong spirit and you can feel that.
I believe if you feel a true spirit that makes you tingle. You know that message is true.😄
 
I just want to add that true christians respect other faiths and are tolerant of them. Because, Jesus accepts all people.
You can't be a true christian and not accept all people and faiths in the world.
🙂
 
that's right that Jesus repected people, but he didn't hesitate to expose the Pharisee's hypocrital way of life.... perhaps we take politcal correctness too far these days?
anyway, I believe we can all be wrong... but we can't all be right :)
 
anyway, I believe we can all be wrong... but we can't all be right

Well said. This is true.

I just want to add that true christians respect other faiths and are tolerant of them. Because, Jesus accepts all people.

As a Christian, I agree with respecting and being tolerant of other faiths also and would say Jesus welcomes all people. Could you clarify about what you mean by Jesus accepts all people? We can be accept and be tolerant of their beliefs, etc. but it does not mean we have to agree with everything they believe.

I believe if you feel a true spirit that makes you tingle. You know that message is true.

Would you say that the message of Aum Shinrikyou was true when they carried out their sarin gas attacks based on their spirit telling them it was true?

Thanks,

Gerald
 
rotary

Originally posted by RotaryPower
I believe that Christanity will be the downfall of the United States.

Although I keep my religious views private, I feel christanity causes more harm than good, and is an ignorant religion.

I am glad that Japan has not been brainwashed by the Christian religion.

I have studied Christanity very much, and that is why I have such negative feelings about it. I have read most of the Bible and attend Christian church services many times.

Christians are taught that all other religions are evil and wrong. They are told that you will go to a "hell" if you do not follow their religion. It is a very corupt religion that has to scare people into accepting its ideas. Christianity also rejects almost all forms of scientific proof, and offers only childish explanations (like fairy tales).

I do not wish to argue with any Christians, I am simply stating my views on the topic.


I totally respect your views.

I am sorry you have those views though. But, of course that is my opinion. I don't want to argue with you either. So, I will just
share my views in response to your post and that will be it.🙂

First of all, I understand where you get confused about chrisitans being not what they are. Beacuse in the media, all we see are lip servers and no examples. Actually, opposite of what is suppose to be chistian. We don't see enough good christians. people are not perfect and that is not an excuse.
But, there are the same types in all religion.
As a christian myself, I have run into some pretty questionable people that claim they are christians. But, they were not judgemental and self-righteous.

May I ask what sect of the Christian religion you attended?
If they teach that you go to hell, they are wrong.
Those that teach hell,fire and damnation are just damning themselves. They are wrong!!!!!
They teach opposite of tolerance and love for your fellow man.

I am sorry you had such an experience that lead you to this view.
All I can do is wish you the best and God be with you!
🙂 ;)
 
Gerald,

We believe that jesus teaches us to love everyone, it's in the bible. He teaches to love your neighbor and seek no vegence against your enemies.

Also in the other question you asked.

Maybe that is what the Aum Shrinkyou felt, I don't know.
But, jesus doesn't teach that we should seek harm on the name of religion. So, what they did was not good.
People that act in such a way should be held accountable.
I hope this helps your questions. But, I believe Jesus loves them regardless as that is what he teaches. Forgiveness.;)
 
But, I believe Jesus loves them regardless as that is what he teaches. Forgiveness.

That's very true and is an amazing quality that draws us close to him. but I suppose we should also think back to his attitude towards the Pharasees (sp) - He would welcome them with open arms if they turned back from their haughty ways, but in the end he condemned them and the Jews were no longer God's nation because they rejected Jesus.
We love our neighbour by sharing our life saving beliefs with people respectfully ;)
 
Originally posted by nzueda
That's very true and is an amazing quality that draws us close to him. but I suppose we should also think back to his attitude towards the Pharasees (sp) - He would welcome them with open arms if they turned back from their haughty ways, but in the end he condemned them and the Jews were no longer God's nation because they rejected Jesus.
We love our neighbour by sharing our life saving beliefs with people respectfully ;)

He welcomed them and he also warned him of their ways.
They did not listen. They were held accountable for their actions,
It's kind of like a parent with a rebellious teenager who has caused them so much grief. The parent does everything in their power to steer the teen into the better path but the teen is held accountable for their actions. The parent still loves their child but realizes the child is held accountable for their actions.

There is only so much you can do to help people and you must do what you can to love them and keep loving them no matter.
But, if they keep with their ways they must be held accountable in the end. We can still love those people no matter what and that is what Jesus did eventhough they were condemed.

In the world today, there seems to be a trend in no accountability. " The devil made me do it " No one takes
responsibility.

When we take responsibility we can admit our sin and change our ways sincerely. That is called repentance.
Jesus wants us to repent and he warnd if you don't repent and change your way. he will not receive you.

I hope you have a nice day!;)
 
Rotary power,

Christian religion isn't ruining America today, If you look at what is being shoved down people's throat in America, it isn't
christianity. Any mention of God is schools are a no no, no prayers, children who want to read their bible can't bring it to school. They are being forced to learn humanist ideas, evolution is the science being taught.
In the media, anyone who remotely opposes something immoral is called a fanatic christian or neo con. It's o.k.
Accountability is being discouraged because they promote freedom to do what you like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
Homosexuality is the norm and safeguarded under the PC agenda brought on by secularists in our country.
I don't need to tell you these things. If you look around at all the pain in the world. It's not from Christian beliefs or anyone forcing them on you. It's the popular trend of secularism.

Christianity has been labeled as a bad religion.
What makes it so bad? It's how people exaggerate and make it out to be. In these last days if you believe, good will be promoted as evil and evil promoted as good. i belive this prophecy is definitely true today.

All the social decay isn't from true christians but from hypocrites who say they are for good but do opposite and prideful people who have their hearts set upon the riches of the world and not for their fellow man. Selfish people who take no responsibility for anything they do. That is the belief under which humanists and secularists promote.

I am just stating something that was on my mind and no way a
objection to you. Because I respect you for your opinions as another human being. 🙂
 
Maciamo-

I was disappointed in knowing that you believe all christians are intolerant and condemming of people. Christian religion is teaching of love, peace and compassion for your fellow man.
Then you have people like the President Bush, Jerry falwell and Pat robertson who themselves do not tolerate certain groups of people. They are hypocrites. You must be able to not make such a blanket judgement on all christians. I like to take people on individual cases. Like for some muslims, I like because they really try to be peaceful and friendly, then you have the ones who hate you because you are a christian. that is their right. But, I don't say all muslims are bad people, because many friends are decent people who don't judge me.

I participated in my husband's family Buddhist ceremony in putting his grandparents in the temple vault. I found that to be
an enlightening experience. I respect his family in that way.
He supports me in attending my christian church every sunday.
In which all the people are Japanese except a few of us are from America, Brazil and Peru. We all meet together.

By the way, i am a memeber of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. There are many wonderful Japanese saints that are so spiritual and committed. They have to be to overcome such social obstacles that may not be very tolerant of them. It's wonderful!!!!! I love them greatly.
 
a beautiful verse that i'd like to share:

2 Corinthians 12
10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


Elisabeth Elliot: "You are loved with an everlasting love." That's what the Bible says. "And underneath are the everlasting arms." This is your friend Elisabeth Elliot, concluding my talk today on faithful endurance.

Why talk about such an unpopular subject? If you've been listening to Gateway To Joy for any length of time, you've heard quite a few unpopular subjects. I'm amazed at the positive responses that I get from my listeners. Thank you for writing your letters. I do want you to know that I read them. You may receive a letter from someone else, the staff in Lincoln, Nebraska that handle my mail, and I am very grateful and indebted to them that they can do this. But they do send them on to me. I want you to know that I read them and I pray over them and I thank God for you. So even if I speak on unpopular subjects, you've written to me and I do thank you.

Now what do I talk about most of the time? Unpopular subjects. Why? Well, for a very simple reason. I take my cues from the Word of God. He doesn't pamper us. He deals with sin and sorrow and suffering and things like faithful endurance because He wants to give us the only true fulfillment, comfort, stability and joy to be found anywhere in the universe. It is God and God alone who can give us fulfillment and comfort and stability and joy. He made it. He knows how to run this world and He loves us with an everlasting love. Please don't ever forget that. He calls us to the same tough course which He assigned to His own Son, Jesus, when He came to earth. Faithful endurance.

Did you know that there are more than 70 references in the New Testament alone on the subject of endurance? We might call it stick-to-it-iveness. The great Russian writer, Solzhenitsyn, as you know, was in labor camp for many, many years, a prisoner. While he was in camp, this is what he wrote-I find this quite startling, this first statement in his prayer: "How simple for me to live with You, O Lord."

Can you try to picture what a Russian labor camp would have been like? The starvation? The endless cold? Hardly any food. Hardly any clothing. Hardly any shelter. Forced every day to go out into that bitter, icy weather and work twelve or fourteen hours a day. Here is Solzhenitsyn saying, "How simple for me to live with You, O Lord. How easy to believe in You. When in confusion my soul bears itself or bends, when the most wise can see no further than this night and do not know what tomorrow brings, You fill me with the clear certainty that You exist and that You watch to see that all the paths of righteousness be not closed.

From the heights of worldly glory"-and you remember that Solzhenitsyn was a world-famous writer-"from the heights of worldly glory, I am astonished by the path through despair You have provided me; this path, from which I have been worthy enough to reflect Your radiance to men. All that I will yet reflect, You will grant me. And for that which I will not succeed in reflecting, You have appointed others."

I want to read this one line again. "From the heights of worldly glory, I am astonished by the path through despair that You have provided me." Is some listener walking a pathway of despair? Can you believe that God provided that path for you? As Solzhenitsyn says, "This path from which I have been worthy enough to reflect Your radiance to men."

I have seen the radiant reflection of Christ in a number of people who have walked the path of despair-people who have found that-in the midst of the darkest night and the hottest fire and the deepest water-the presence of God. Endurance.

Suffering makes pleasure more poignant. That is, perhaps, an explanation of the endless pursuit of sports. You do have to suffer to a certain degree, don't you, if you're really going to play a strenuous kind of sport. But it is that very suffering, that very pushing yourself, that endurance which makes pleasure more poignant.

If we would come at the lessons in endurance, as valiantly and as eagerly as we watch those who are enduring the crossing of the Antarctic ice, for example, how simply we would view our own hardships. "For the joy that was set before Him." For the joy, He endured the cross.

I have made a little list in my notebook of some of the passages about endurance. It would be worth your while to study them. 2 Corinthians 1:7: "If we ourselves have been comforted, we know how to encourage you to endure." 2 Corinthians 6: A genuine minister of God, whatever we may have to go through, patient endurance of troubles, or even disasters. Being flogged. I'm abbreviating these quotations a little bit.

1 Thessalonians 1 has this one: "The hope that you have in our Lord Jesus Christ means sheer dogged endurance." Sheer dogged endurance. 2 Thessalonians 1: "You have shown such endurance and faith in all the trials and persecutions." Hebrews 12: "Eyes fixed on Jesus." "He Himself endured a cross and thought nothing of its shame because of the joys He knew would follow."

There are so many different kinds of endurance. We've talked quite a bit about physical endurance. The lady who was finding it difficult to take care of her mother, and yet as she learned the joy of Christ, she found joy in doing that very humble and unsung kind of work.

Well, I can remember the sheer dogged endurance with which I had to pursue an unwritten language. I went to Ecuador to do linguistic work and work with tribes whose languages had never been written. Oh, there were times when I just wanted to throw in the sponge. To try to listen to what those people said and to try to write it down phonetically, when they kept right on talking, and couldn't understand what it was that I was scribbling away in my notebook about! They had no idea what a pen was, let alone a piece of paper or a notebook.

There were times when I just wanted to give up, and yet I knew that this was God's assignment. God had put me there. If I was going to learn the Auca language, it was a case of sheer dogged endurance. One of the difficulties of life there, was that these people did not know that there were other languages in the world. Can you imagine that kind of isolation? They had seen Indians of other tribes, but generally they had killed the ones they saw. They had never sat down and had a conversation, or tried to have a conversation, because of course their language was totally different.

People sometimes ask me if it was dialects that I worked on. No. It was languages. The Auca language was as different from English as Chinese is from Greek. So God was pushing me all the time to say, "Stick with it. Endure. Don't give up. Don't throw in the sponge."

How well I remember Dr. Edmond, who was President of Wheaton College when I was a student there. I don't know how many times in those years I heard Dr. Edmond say, "It's always too soon to quit."

The prophets of the Old Testament give us an example of patient endurance in suffering. They were called blessed. Revelation speaks of the faithful endurance to which Jesus calls us. Maybe you're in a church and you're beginning to suspect that you're in the wrong church. If it's because of the doctrine or the way things are done officially in the church, maybe you need to give it some serious thought. If it's because of somebody that you find it difficult to get along with and you'd rather just pull out of the church and go somewhere where people are nice, I would strongly urge you to endure.

The endurance of the saints is spoken of in Revelation 14--those who are now without fault before the throne of God. Peter says, "Since Christ had to suffer physically for you, you must fortify yourselves with the same inner attitude that He must have had." Since Christ had to suffer physically for you, you must fortify yourselves with the same inner attitude that He must have had.

I can remember the endurance of my six-year-old granddaughter, who was absolutely sure that there would be no way that she was going to ever learn arithmetic. Teaching her arithmetic was sheer dogged endurance for my daughter Valerie. Learning two and two makes four was, for Christiana, sheer dogged endurance.

It doesn't have to be something big and dramatic, but it is a spiritual test. So I ask you today, "Will you trust God? Will you love Him? Will you stick with Him? And as far as you can, learn the message that He is trying to get across to you and keep on enduring?"

"The Lord God will help me; therefore, shall I not be confounded. Therefore, have I set my face like a flint and I know that I shall not be ashamed."
 
da hikki zealot

That was a cool message you shared.

That is true that the savior doesn't pamper us, he doesn't go along with man's every whim and trendy ideas that society adopts. He gives us freagency to do what we want but we must
accept the coincidences that may follow.

He loves us no matter what we do but he is disappointed when we follow the wrong path. he gives us repentance and baptism.
He gives us 10 easy rules to follow in life.

We must follow him to receive true happiness.
Things of the world give us only temporary happiness but then we want more. If we have true happiness we don't crave all
those things that mark our worldly status. because we are happy knowing him in our heart.

Keep up the good message!:)
 
Love at Last by C. H. Spurgeon

"The love of the Lord."

--Hosea 3:1

Believer, look back through all thine experience, and think of the way whereby the Lord thy God has led thee in the wilderness, and how He hath fed and clothed thee every day--how He hath borne with thine ill manners--how He hath put up with all thy murmurings, and all thy longings after the flesh-pots of Egypt--how He has opened the rock to supply thee, and fed thee with manna that came down from heaven. Think of how His grace has been sufficient for thee in all thy troubles--how His blood has been a pardon to thee in all thy sins--how His rod and His staff have comforted thee. When thou hast thus looked back upon the love of the Lord, then let faith survey His love in the future, for remember that Christ's covenant and blood have something more in them than the past. He who has loved thee and pardoned thee, shall never cease to love and pardon. He is Alpha, and He shall be Omega also: He is first, and He shall be last.

Therefore, bethink thee, when thou shalt pass through the valley of the shadow of death, thou needest fear no evil, for He is with thee. When thou shalt stand in the cold floods of Jordan, thou needest not fear, for death cannot separate thee from His love; and when thou shalt come into the mysteries of eternity thou needest not tremble, "For I am persuaded, that neither death; nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Now, soul, is not thy love refreshed? Does not this make thee love Jesus? Doth not a flight through illimitable plains of the ether of love inflame thy heart and compel thee to delight thyself in the Lord thy God? Surely as we meditate on "the love of the Lord," our hearts burn within us, and we long to love Him more.
 
Hi,
These are all very good posts. My nephew is in Japan as a Christian missionary. He has commented on how friendly and open everyone has been to hearing about Christ.

I believe what turns off and confuses people about Christianity is through a church they may have attended at some point in the past that pushed a fire and brimstone, fear approach. Also, evolution is still taught in schools (which requires more of a giant suspension of belief than any reasoning out there). It is heartening to see in recent years where leading scientists and astronomers are now voicing that they believe that there is a God, a force, that created the Universe. There is no other explanation for how atoms, molecules, space dust, could have randomly formed human life and the Universe. Ever studied human physiology? The human body is extremely complicated in how it works, and works so well. That we could have occured on a random basis from space dust is insane. Through the watering down of values today, and the lack of responsibility, and the media condoning it for the money value, people get distracted from what is really important and true.

Through the Grace and kindness of God, he allows us salvation from a life of despair, evil, and our human sin, through Jesus, our Savior.
Once we accept Jesus as our personal Savior into our life, coming to him openly and freely, as we are faithful and obedient to God, he makes his presence known to us through the Holy Spirit in those who believe.
What an awesome gift!

 
Traveljapan- It's great your nephew is a missionary here. I live in Toyota City, Japan. It's in Aichi. Near the big city of Nagoya.
I am american and I go to the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The chapel I go to is almost all japanese members. They are very strong in spirit and I admire them for their strong will.

It's nice to know your nephew is enjoying his mission here and I wish him the best success. Also, the many elect Japanese that come into Christ's fold.:)
 
Thanks.

He is in Nakano City. He's coming home for the Christmas holidays after being gone for ten months. Looking forward to seeing him.

Best
 
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