重要 / だけではなく / 以来 / ～で

[eeky]

Hello,


1. 自分の気持ちを相手に伝える上で、話し方も重要になる 。

Does this mean "When I/he/etc. told the other person my/his/etc. feelings, the conversation became serious"? Can 重要 mean "serious"? Also I am unsure if 話し方 refers to the conversation in general or specifically to one party's way of speaking.

What is the reason for using も? (This is an isolated sentence illustrating a grammar point. There is no further context.) Does it imply that 自分の気持ち are also 重要?


2. This is part of an explanation of the use of に際して and にあたって

どちらの表現も、ただ「～（する）時」という意味だけ ではなく、何か改まった場面で使われる。

To me this looks like "These two expressions do not only mean (the same as) 「～（する）時」, they are used in rather formal situations."

I think I have this wrong because in my translation the two parts of the sentence do not have the expected relationship/contrast.


3. こんなに楽しい時間を過ごしたのは、去年の夏のキャン プ以来だ。

I know this is something about having such a pleasant time and last summer's camping holiday, but I do not understand the connection between the two things, especially the purpose of 以来. To me it seems like there's a "not" missing or something ("I have not had such a ... since ...")


4. This is part of an explanation of the use of ～において and ～における.

場所や範囲を示す「～で」の硬い表現。

a) How does 「～で」の fit into the meaning of this?

b) 硬い does mean "formal" here, right?

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
The interpretation of 重要 is the key.
話し方 and 重要 means "way of speaking" and "important", respectively.
も shows that 話し方 is an example of important points.

2)
They are used not just as the meaning 「～（する）時」, but also in formal situations.

3)
The meaning is exactly so. こんなに楽しい時間を過ごしたのは、去年の夏のキャンプ以来初めてだ is also used. It's the same as 去年の夏のキャンプ以来、こんなに楽しい時間を過ごしたことはない. Although the expression in the example sentence would be more common in Japanese, I think.

4) a)
AはBの硬い表現 = A is a 硬い表現 of B
場所や範囲を示す modifies 「～で」.

b)
Yes.

 

[eeky]

Thanks Toritoribe

1. Damn, somehow I read this as past tense, describing an actual incident rather than a general principle. I guess it means "When conveying your feelings to someone else, the way in which you speak is important", right?

4. Originally I thought that 場所や範囲を示す modified 「～で」の硬い表現. Is that not possible?

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
Yes, that's right.

4)
It's possible. It can be rephrased to 「～で」の、場所や範囲を示す硬い表現 for the case. As you can see, this is more likely an explanation for the usage of 「～で」. Also, 場所や範囲を示す表現 sounds a bit awkward to me. It should be 場所や範囲を示す用法, I think.

 

[eeky]

OK, thanks.