わたしは去年の六月に東京「から」大阪「まで」来ました。来年の三月「まで」 大阪にいます。 それから、また東京「へ」帰ります

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わたしは去年の六月に東京「①から」大阪「②に」来ました。来年の三月「③まで」
大阪にいます。それから、また東京「④へ」帰ります
②: How come it's に here. Isn't this a typical から/まで construction where 東京 is the point of origin and 大阪 is the arrival?

 

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The arrival point is indicated by に, for instance 大阪に着いた. から～まで is used to indicate a range for both spacial and temporal.
e.g.
東京から大阪まで歩いた。
家から学校まで2キロある。
2時から10時まで勉強した。

まで is not wrong for #2. It could have an insulting or humble nuance "a place such like 大阪", though.

 

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から～まで is used to indicate a range for both spacial and temporal.

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So the reason why it's not まで here is because there's no notion of range?

大阪に着いた.

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That makes sense because there's no source location in that sentence.
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わたしは去年の六月に東京「①から」大阪「②に」来ました

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There's a starting point (東京) and and an arrival point (京都). I'm not sure I understand this one to be honest. More explanations would be appreciated.

 

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The difference is from the verb. に indicates the arrival point with 来た. It's not the rang/distance between Tokyo and Osaka, unlike 歩いた or 2キロある in my examples.

 

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Suppose I said: "I came（来る） from Tokyo and I arrived in Kyoto", would I use に with Kyoto or まで？From what I understand, it would be に as it's generally used with 来る.

 

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Right. 来た has a nuance of "arrived", so に is used to indicates the arrival point. On the other hand, 歩く doesn't have this nuance, so に indicates the direction "toward", but it's more common to use other forms に歩いてきた/いった or ～に向かって歩いた to make clear that it's the direction, as same as 泳いでいく in this post. まで can be used instead of に, as I wrote above, but this まで is more likely "even".