という / 終わったあとも / でも / 石やきいも一の声

[eeky]

Hello,


1. しかし定形外ということで、全く保証が効かなかった。

Translation given: "However, the guarantee is not effective at all outside the fixed form."

a) I still have very little intuitive feel for という. What is its effect here? Is it highlighting 定形外 as an unusual or ad hoc term, a bit like we might use quotes in English? (To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what "outside the fixed form" is supposed to mean even in English.)

b) When I first read this I thought で had more of a sense of "because". So, it would be "The guarantee was not effective because of the fact that..." Is that a possible interpretation? (I'm assuming the tense "is not effective" is just an error in the translation.)


2. 終わったあとも足が軽い感じがしました。

Translation given: "I felt very light on my feet afterwards."

Presumably あと is a noun modified by 終わった? What is the function of も?


3. ねえ、うちでもちり紙交換に出してるの？

Translation given: "Do you give our waste paper to the paper collector?"

What is the function of でも here?


4. 石やきいも一の声

Translation given: "They hear the voice of a baked sweet potato peddler."

I really have no idea how this sentence works. I recognise the relevance of やきいも and 声 but little else.

 

[Toritoribe]

1) a)
It's more likely hearsay. Unlike 定形外なので shows the speaker clearly knows the reason, 定形外ということで implies he/she knows it by hearsay, reading texts, or like that.

定形郵便(Standard-sized Mail)
minimum 14cm x 9cm
maximum 23.5cm x 12cm x 1cm

定形外 means the size of the mail(or maybe package) is outside(smaller or larger) of this standard.

b)
Yes and yes.

2)
あと is more likely adverbial.

after something was finished

The meaning of も depends on the context, but seems like "also" to me.

3)
で ＋ も(also)

4)
石やきいもー(the long vowel mark)
It's not a sentence but a phrase.

The voice "石やきいもー"

 

[eeky]

Thanks Toritoribe. This must be the hundredth (and hundred-and-first) time I've asked what も means and the answer has been "also". It just confuses the heck out of me why translations in textbooks and other learning materials so often seem to ignore it.

2. If あと is adverbial, then what is the grammar that connects 終わった with the rest of the sentence? To me it looks as if 終わった is "dangling" with nothing to modify.

4. What does 石 mean in this context?

 

[Toritoribe]

Sometimes the nuance of "also" is subtle, so the translator would judge it can be ignored.

2)
Quite the same structure to 夜寝る前, ここに来る途中, テレビを見ている間, and so on. These are all adverbial.

4)
石やきいも（焼き芋）is the name of a cuisine. The sweet potatos are baked in stones.