てみる Quesiton

[hydeMadeMeGay]

Whats the difference between using てみる + たい and only using たい, for example as in:

1)日本に行きたい

and

2)日本に行ってみたい

Thank you

 

[Toritoribe]

Have you learned the meaning of てみる?

 

[hydeMadeMeGay]

As far as I know it is used to express the idea of "trying something"

 

[Toritoribe]

Yes, that's right, and that's exactly the difference between those two sentences.

 

[hydeMadeMeGay]

My question comes from the fact that the ideas behind たい (wanting to do something) and てみる (trying something) seem in some aspects like the same thing, at least to me. I dont know if i can make myself clear but asking someone what they want to do or what they want to try is more or less the same. Does the second one mean you do not care about the results? if so it looks like a pretty weird construction to use in those cases(like in the example above)

Im not trying to be right, i just want to understand it.

Thank you

 

[Toritoribe]

"To try doing/to try to do" and "to want to do" are completely different, no?

刺身を食べてみる。
I'll try to eat sashimi.
(This can imply "I actually don't want to eat it, though", i.e., the speaker might not want to do it.)

刺身を食べたい。
I want to eat sashimi.
(It really seems delicious.)

 

[mdchachi]

His original question wasn't about ～てみる it was about ～てみたい。

But Toritoribe-san's point is basically the same, it's the difference between wanting to do something and wanting to try something. And you're right, the difference can be subtle.
I want to go to Japan vs I want to go to Japan and see (what it's like).

 

[Toritoribe]

Yes, I know that. I wrote my previous post since he said;

My question comes from the fact that the ideas behind たい (wanting to do something) and てみる (trying something) seem in some aspects like the same thing, at least to me.

As for his initial question "the difference between ～てみたい and ～たい", it can't be interchangeable in some cases. For instance, when you commonly eat sashimi and want to eat it tonight, you would say 今夜は刺身を食べたい, and hardly say 今夜は刺身を食べてみたい. It's quite the same as the difference between "I want to try to eat sashimi" and "I want to eat sashimi" in English, right?

 

[hydeMadeMeGay]

Sorry for the late response, it was already late in my country when i started this post. I also want to apologize for the confusion i may have created, my question was about てみたい and たい but i thought we all were on the same page back then and only wrote てみる, im sorry.
Having read all the responses I now understand what the てみたい might be used for. I was just confused because i didnt understand why would someone ask using てみたい rather than たい (if you have never been to japan, as in the example, it seemed better to use たい as it shows you really want to go rather than trying to go) However, Toritoribe´s last response was quite illustrative and it seems that it may even be better to use てみたい in those cases.