ったく / を参考に / 等 / 買ってくから / よ

[eeky]

Hello,


1. I understand that ったく is an expression of exasperation. If this is said alone, or at the start of an utterance, is it pronounced differently from たく? I am not used to seeing っ at the start of a word and don't really understand how it should be pronounced if nothing precedes it.


2. 下の旅行について＜こんなことを聞きましょう＞を参考 に質問してください。

My translation: "Ask about the following types of trip, using the 'Things to ask' section as a guide."

(＜こんなことを聞きましょう＞ is the title of a list of example topics.)

Is the structure of this sentence 下の旅行について質問してください, with ＜こんなことを聞きましょう＞を参考に inserted as an adverbial phrase?


3. インタビューして新しく知ったこと、驚いたこと等をクラスで発表し ましょう。

My translation: "Conduct the interview, then make a class presentation about the things you've learnt, things that surprised you, and so on."

I suppose 等 must be など here? (I think I have previously only ever seen など written in kana.)


4. お土産買ってくから、楽しみに！

a) Could 買ってくから be 買って・行く・から?

b) If so, does it mean "I'm going to buy souvenirs, so I'm looking forward (to the trip previously mentioned)"?


5. Two people are looking at holiday photographs:

あっ、この子だれだよ。

It seems that this must be a question, but how can a question end with よ?

 

[Mike Cash]

Say まったく but leave off the ま

 

[Toritoribe]

1)
As Mike-san wrote, a small pause is put before たく.

2)
Yes.

3)
Both など and とう are possible.

Your interpritation is also correct, but the one that インタビューして modifies 新しく知ったこと、驚いたこと等, i.e., "the things you've learnt through the interview" might be more common.

4) a)
Yes.

b)
楽しみに is a shortend version of 楽しみにしてて/楽しみに待ってて "so you can look forward it!"

5)
よ is for manly saying.

 

[eeky]

Thank you both.

1. I understand the usual idea of making a pause for っ, but, to my way of thinking, a pause is detectable before った only if った immediately follows another syllable (as in まったく, for example, where the pause is between ま and たく). If you start an utterance with ったく then, as far as I can see, any "pause" would be indistinguishable from the silence that naturally and inevitably precedes the start of the utterance, and so would not be separately distinguishable. Therefore I was curious to know whether there is actually any discernible difference between ったく and たく in that situation.

3. I have a slight difficulty understanding how インタビューして modifies 新しく知ったこと or 驚いたこと in the sense of "modifies" that I am used to. I am used to cases such as 知った modifying こと, of course, but I thought the same grammar specifically did not work with ～て forms. Are you using "modifies" in a slightly different and looser sense when applied to インタビューして?

 

[Glenn]

1) I feel like (but don't have anything other than personal experience to back this up) ったく has a bit of a stronger explosion at the beginning than just たく would, but that may be more due to the exasperated nature someone would be saying it with rather than an inherent characteristic of った. Otherwise I feel like you -- at the beginning of an utterance there's no discernible difference between ったく and たく.

3) I believe his point is that インタビューして is part of 知ったこと、驚いたことなど much more so than it is part of クラスで発表しましょう. So it's more like "things you learned or were surprised about from interviewing (from the interview)" rather than "interview (someone) and announce (the interview) to the class." Or something like that...

 

[Mike Cash]

Your impression is correct; it is more explosive.

Also, it is important not to overlook the fact that the word being said is まったく, even though part of it is cut off.

 

[Toritoribe]

Long time no see, Glenn-san!

1)
Yeah, the pause that is put before た is not just a pause but the pause with the tongue being at the "t" pronunciation position, therefore た is pronounced more strongly or explosive than the ordinary た.

3)
More strictly to say, the adverbial clause インタビューして modifies 知った and 驚いた.

 

[Glenn]

大変ご無沙汰しております。 I've kind of been kept busy with some stuff in my personal life lately, so I haven't been around much.

I had gotten a little away from Japanese for a while too, and I was just doing some listening and reading earlier and thinking it might do me some good to break the stuff down again. Then I remembered eeky's always got good questions for that, so I stopped by.

 

[eeky]

Thanks everyone.

3)
More strictly to say, the adverbial clause インタビューして modifies 知った and 驚いた.

I understand that now. However, while we're here, can I just double-check that ～て forms cannot directly modify nouns in the same way that ～た forms can. That is right, isn't it?

 

[Toritoribe]

Yes, that's right. The following examples are a bit special ones. Strictly speaking, ２０キロ, ３０個, ５万円, ５時間, 二十分ぐらい, すぐ are not ordinary nouns, though.

手荷物と合わせて２０キロまで持ち込める。
二つの農園で合わせて３０個の収穫があった。
妻と私で足して５万円の買い物をした。

船に乗って５時間の島
大学から歩いて二十分ぐらいのアパート
日本に来てすぐの頃