いただけました / もうしあげます / おり / いただければと

eeky · 29 Jun 2010

Hi folks, thanks for your continuing help. I have another bunch of questions...

1. さて、当日、おねがいいたしました件ですが、その後、ごけんとういただけましたでしょうか。

I hope the start of this means "Now, about the request I made the other day, ...". Then I'm a bit stuck on ごけんとういただけましたでしょうか. Is the speaker possibly asking if he can receive the favour of the other person's consideration of his request?

2. どうぞよろしくおねがいもうしあげます

Is this just a more polite version of どうぞよろしくおねがいします with もうしあげる an honorific variant of する?

3. ...アメリカでの売り上げもふえており、...

My translation: "...our gross sales in America are also increasing...".

Does おり derive from おる ("be", humble)? What form is おり here? (おり is the end of the clause.)

4. ヨーロッパでも、かならず、まんぞくしていただけると、ぞんじます。

My translation: "In Europe, too, I know (our customers) are always satisfied (with our products)." (Lit: we can always receive satisfaction).

Is this correct (given that the surrounding context is about export of a company's products around the world)?

I'm not very sure about all these instances of いただける. This is the potential form of いただく, right? Why is the potential form being used?

5. くわしいないようについて、ご質問がございましたら、また、ご説明にうかがいますので、ごれんらくいただければと、ぞんじます。

My translation: "If you need any more details or have any questions I can call again to explain, so please don't hesitate to get in touch."

I don't really understand いただければと、ぞんじます. I get "I think that if I am able to receive (your communication/contact)", but it doesn't make sense in English. How does this part work? Is it some kind of fixed expression?

I also don't really understand くわしいないようについて. Literally I thought it meant "regarding (the possible fact that) it doesn't seem detailed enough", which I loosely translated as above. Is this right?

Glenn · 29 Jun 2010

1) To be honest I don't get why it's past there. It's like "was I able to get your thoughts (prediction-type thoughts, that is)?" I guess it works, it just seems a bit strange to me.

2) 申し上げる is a humble verb that's used like a humble する, yes. I believe it may be the most humble, or it may just be that it doesn't have the "doing a favor" connotation that いたす does. We'll have to wait for a more knowledgeable person on 敬語 to answer that one, though.

3) Yes, it derives from おる, but it's lost its humble connotations in this context. It just sounds better than ふえてい. Whether that's the actual reason it's the one that gets used that way I'm not quite sure of, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere...

4) "I'm sure our customers in Europe will also be satisfied," is more like it. Yes, it's the potential of いただく. The potential is used as less of a definitive way of saying that someone will do something that you'll receive the benefit for. It's like こちらに来てもらえたら嬉しいですが。Similar concept, just more polite.

Also, check the meaning of 必ず（かならず）-- it doesn't mean "always".

5) Kanji is your friend here: ないよう is 内容, and means "content(s)". It's like "in regards to specific details," I suppose. "If you have any questions, I will come to explain, so I'll be happy to hear from you." It doesn't seem to work as well in English, but that's the gist of it.

The 〜ばとおもう is basically the same as 〜ば幸いだ. So it means "I'd be happy/glad if..."

Elizabeth · 29 Jun 2010

eeky said:
Hi folks, thanks for your continuing help. I have another bunch of questions...
1. さて、当日、おねがいいたしました件ですが、その後、ごけんとういただけましたでしょうか。
I hope the start of this means "Now, about the request I made the other day, ...". Then I'm a bit stuck on ごけんとういただけましたでしょうか. Is the speaker possibly asking if he can receive the favour of the other person's consideration of his request?

I would interpret (ご)けんとういただけましたでしょうか as essentially "did you have a chance to/were you able to consider/study think about it? etc. Although the kanji of けんとう would make it 100% clear.

eeky · 29 Jun 2010

Glenn said:
3) Yes, it derives from おる, but it's lost its humble connotations in this context. It just sounds better than ふえてい. Whether that's the actual reason it's the one that gets used that way I'm not quite sure of, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere...

Hi Glenn, and thanks for your reply. Unless I'm having a mental blank, I'm not familar with the form ふえてい. Could you explain what verb form that is?

Glenn said:
4) "I'm sure our customers in Europe will also be satisfied," is more like it.

Is there any easy way to tell that this means "will be satisfied" rather than "are satisfied", or is it just down to experience with the language?

Glenn said:
4) Also, check the meaning of 必ず（かならず）-- it doesn't mean "always".

I looked it up at WWWJDIC where it says "always; without exception; necessarily; certainly; without fail; positively; invariably". Does it mean something else in this sentence?

Glenn said:
Kanji is your friend here: ないよう is 内容, and means "content(s)".

That's unfair!! (The textbook I am using at the moment uses kanji only sparingly.)

Glenn said:
5) The 〜ばとおもう is basically the same as 〜ば幸いだ. So it means "I'd be happy/glad if..."

I don't think there is any 〜ばとおもう here. I guess you meant 〜ばとぞんじます?

Elizabeth · 29 Jun 2010

eeky said:
I don't think there is any ～ばとおもう here. I guess you meant ～ばとぞんじます?

「ご連絡頂ければと思います」でいいんじゃないでしょうか？

ご連絡頂ければと存じます」 contains a 謙譲語 2回連続で however you say it...the doubling keigo problem. ??

Toritoribe · 29 Jun 2010

Glenn said:
1) To be honest I don't get why it's past there. It's like "was I able to get your thoughts (prediction-type thoughts, that is)?" I guess it works, it just seems a bit strange to me.

The present tense ご検討頂けますでしょうか is used for the present request, thus, for the case of "今話しているこの件について、これから検討してくれませんか".

Glenn said:
2) 申し上げる is a humble verb that's used like a humble する, yes. I believe it may be the most humble, or it may just be that it doesn't have the "doing a favor" connotation that いたす does. We'll have to wait for a more knowledgeable person on 敬語 to answer that one, though.

お願い申し上げます, お願い致します, お願いします are all the same except the degree of the politeness/humbleness.

eeky said:
Unless I'm having a mental blank, I'm not familar with the form ふえてい. Could you explain what verb form that is?

増えていて

eeky said:
Is there any easy way to tell that this means "will be satisfied" rather than "are satisfied", or is it just down to experience with the language?

満足して頂けている is for "are satisfied."

eeky said:
I looked it up at WWWJDIC where it says "always; without exception; necessarily; certainly; without fail; positively; invariably". Does it mean something else in this sentence?

"Certainly" is the closest, I think. "I/We believe our customers will certainly be satisfied..."

eeky said:
I don't think there is any 〜ばとおもう here. I guess you meant 〜ばとぞんじます?

Actually, 存じます is a humble expression of 思う.;-)

Toritoribe · 29 Jun 2010

Elizabeth said:
「ご連絡頂ければと思います」でいいんじゃないでしょうか？
ご連絡頂ければと存じます」 contains a 謙譲語 2回連続で however you say it...the doubling keigo problem. ??

No, that is "quote + main verb", ご連絡頂ければ、と存じます. These types of expressions are frequently used in business.

Glenn · 29 Jun 2010

Toritoribe said:
The present tense ご検討頂けますでしょうか is used for the present request, thus, for the case of "今話しているこの件について、これから検討してくれませんか".

Well, that makes more sense. I thought it was 見当.

eeky · 29 Jun 2010

Toritoribe said:
増えていて

Do you mean that
増えてい is a valid shortened form of 増えていて, or was it a typo?

Also, can you shed any light on what form おり is in the original sentence (question 3)? Is this a shortened form of something else too? Or is it OK to end a clause with this combining form of おる (if that's what it is)?

Toritoribe · 29 Jun 2010

eeky said:
The -masu form stem can be used to continue the compound sentence, as same as the -te form.
e.g.
売り上げも増え、＝売り上げも増えて、

The former sounds relatively formal/written-wordly, whereas the latter is more colloquial. The one-mora stem い(the -masu form stem of いる) is hardly used for the fomer case, as Glenn-san wrote.

eeky said:

Also, can you shed any light on what form おり is in the original sentence (question 3)? Is this a shortened form of something else too? Or is it OK to end a clause with this combining form of おる (if that's what it is)?

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おり is exactly the -masu form stem of おる. This is a kind of archaic expression, so 増えておって is not used for the case. (It sounds like an old people's word.)

eeky · 29 Jun 2010

Toritoribe said:
The one-mora stem 窶堋｢(the -masu form stem of 窶堋｢窶堙ｩ) ...

Thanks T, I didn't make the connection that the lone 窶堋｢ was the -masu stem of 窶堋｢窶堙ｩ. I don't think I've seen that one used before.

Glenn · 29 Jun 2010

And you most likely won't. That was what I was trying to explain above.

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