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do you believe in islam and prophet Mohammad ?????


do you believe that the life will be ending ????!!!

do you know there is ten things will happen? .. and the life will finish .....

there is ten great things will happen , and it considers a marks that the life will finish ....................

if you want to know that ten great things tell me to complete ............


greeting ...............................
 
Ok, I'll bite.

What are the ten great things that will happen?
 
Wait do you mean great like large and all-encompassing in scale? Or great like, happy things? If it's the latter, I'm in!
 
I will mention to you later ... give me one day to translate from Arabic to English

please from the members don't mock from what I say .......
 
I don`t know for sure,but some of them are:Awakening of Dajjal,rebirth of prophet Isa A.S.,the mountain flies like feather,human`s faith drastically down,women`s number more than men`s,and world laws become reversed(men act like woman,vice versa,etc.).That`s all I know from my teacher and the Al Quran.(I`m not too often read the Al Quran,so I`m not know too much)
 
katsumoto said:
I will mention to you later ... give me one day to translate from Arabic to English
please from the members don't mock from what I say .......
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Does it have to do anything with virgins after my death? I hope not. Oh yes, the answers to all your questions are: nope, no, nay, narr, nah, I don't.
 
There isn't an "eye-roll" emoticon big enough for this thread.

Jeez.
 
hi Mr (EDI)
you're right .. but you mention a part of my explanation
I'm gonna mention what you said and more more details ..
 
So basically you're going to tell us that its worth following Islam in hope of a happy afterlife, right?
 
katsumoto said:
do you believe in islam and prophet Mohammad ?????
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No. Prove to me that it is the correct religion to follow, out of the other 9999 differing world religions that are active in the world today.

do you believe that the life will be ending ????!!!
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All life ends. Fact of life. This planet will eventually die in several billion years time, but that is nature, not some magical myth monster or so called divine prophecy.

do you know there is ten things will happen? .. and the life will finish .....
there is ten great things will happen , and it considers a marks that the life will finish ....................
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Oh great Islamic myths with the end of the world prophecies. I thought Christians were bad enough with theirs. They, after all, have an entire book in the bible dedicated to the end of the world.

if you want to know that ten great things tell me to complete ............
greeting ...............................
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Well since this is so important why haven't you said anything yet? Are you stalling, after all these are supposed to be important? You should have had them ready for use if it is so dramatically important.

please from the members don't mock from what I say .......
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I await your post before I consider whether it is worth merit, but I am not holding my breath.

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There isn't an "eye-roll" emoticon big enough for this thread.

Jeez.
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No, unfortunatley, but I have a feeling that I might have to invest in a new irony meter before this fellow finishes.
 
I'm trying to be polite.

If you think about the fact that English is not his mother language and he may never have left a tiny town in Syria and about his culture, he is trying hard to enlighten us. Religious threads do not always go over well here it seems.

Uncle Frank

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Derfel ....... I mean not happy afterlife or after death .. I mean this great thing will happen after 100 year 1000 year ... God knows ... but it'll happen like our days ....
Mycernius ..... thank you for participation but you're mock either me and my religion ..
Ok no prolem ..... now I want to Prove to you why me religion is correct
(my respectable to other religions ) and if I want to prove to about my religion ,I'll take month and I explane so I'll tell you two things .....1- Israel tries to change one letter in our holy book (Quran) but we discover that and Quran is written in KSA only.....
every things that scientist detect any thing ,our holy book mention that from 1500 years ago ... for example .. recently the scientist detect that the two big oceans don't combine each other cuz there is isthmian between them and our holy book mention that from 1500 years ago......
2- I don't write any thing cuz I've been translated for three hours ......
so I'll mention now ....... before doomsday
hour's marks ( hour mean doomsday )
there is two kind from hour's marks ( the small and big, great )
the small one is done from prophet's age and one of there occur in our days .....
uncle Frank .. thank you for participation but I'm tring to know ..
and I ask my self the question .. does the people know about our religion??☝
 
In the name of Allah the Beneficent and merciful

now I'll provide you ..... hour's marks
notice: my translation neither good nor bad so don't concentrate on the form but the content .......

End of the world


The marks that is done


A lot of killing until the killer doesn't know why he killed
And the killed why he killed …..

Diffusion of fornication
Diffusion of drunks
Diffusion of songs ,singers and dancind girl in the night club
Approach of era …..
(the year become like month, month like week , week like day ,day like hour and the hour like moment )

Change in the understood
As our prophet mohammad said ….. (in our time there is change in understood …. lier is believed and believer is lied)

Diffusion of the obscene like (fornication) in street until the best person in religion say … if I f u c k her beyond the wall




Treaty of the enemy

In the beginning the Moslems (pl.of Moslem) are in treaty with the enemy , then the enemy double-cross the Moslems … in this days the enemies spread the oppression and aggression in the earth .. the Allah send a man who is from prophet's bloodline
The prophet said (this man is ... his name the same my name ,his father's name the same my father's name and his mother's name the same my mother's name .this man govern and fill the earth with the justice and equity as the earth filled with the oppression and aggression )

mahdi's appearance

this man refuses leading the nation but he coerces to do that cuz there is no high commander .. then he lades the flag of the struggle….the people combine around that man.. and they entitle him (al –Mahdi) ..the people combine around him from(sham, Iraq, Yemen and Egypt) and the nation combine around him …

After that the war starts between Moslems and enemy until they reach to stanpool(turkey).. then the army reach to Rome (Italy) and every country free them the army they do the magnification and acclamation… after that the devil try to dissipate the army and he screams and says (the Dajjal is coming) I'll explain him later ..then Mahdi send ten knights and those knights is the best men ….the prophet told us(I know those men and I know their names ,father's names and horse's color and those knights is the best men on earth )to be sure that the Dajjal icome or not ,but when they back the Dajjal appear reality from east and there is no charm on earth greater than Dajjal's charm..........


Appearance of Dajjal

Dajjal is a man who is short , curly of head and has one –eye .
He stays fourteen days (one day like year , one day like month , one day like week and 37 days like our days) and Allah gives him abilities … he commands the sky to rain ,it does and earth to upspring ,it does too. if the people don't believe him ,he commands the sky to stop raining and earth to stop upspring until people believe him ….. He has paradise and hell .. if human comes in paradise ,he comes in the hell , .. if human comes in his hell ,he comes in paradise… Dajjal movement very fast likes glimpse and he roves all world except Makkah and Madinah ..the first people who follow him 70000from jews and eastern Asia and people who have weakness hearts..while the people who didn't believe him, he tries to misguide them …( he says :where is your parents .. the person said :they died.. what do you think if I vitalize them? Do you believe that? he said .. then he commands the graveyard to open and devil appearance like his mother's aspect and the person embrace his mother and she tell him … my son believe him , he's your God )
So our prophet caution us when we see Dajjal we have to run and read the end of the (kahef- Koranic verse) and God save us from Dajjal … God willing….
he tries to come in the makkah but the angles forbid him then
,and a man come from Madinah and he sees him and says .. you are Dajjal that our prophet beware us from you and he cuts Dajjal into two parts, then he combine himself and say to the man .. do you believe me now?? No you're impostor ,he said …
In that time Mahdi leads army to Damascus and Dajjal goes to Palestine .. and Jews combine all them in Palestine with Dajjal ..


to be Continued ... katsumoto
 
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Isa ibn Mariyam is getting down (Isa is son Mariyam)
Mahdi's army foregather in white mosque in Damascus .Mahdi and his army want to fight Dajjal but they can't, suddenly they hear Ghaith(it pronunciation as it is, I don't find word instead of it … we can translate it the resolution )… (Ghaith came ) they hear this voice in dawn of prayer…. The Ghaith means Isa …..
Isa descend from sky on angel's wings and he combine people on dawn's prayer ,and Mahdi requests from Isa to be imamate ,but Isa refuses and he request from Mahdi to be imamate … then Isa lade struggle's flag and they go to Palestine .the war is between Moslems and Jews , then the trees and rocks phonate ( hey Moslem beyond me there is Jew kill him) …then Isa kill Dajjal with his spear ,then he raises his spear that the blood flow from that imposter .then the Moslems aggrandize (Allah Akbar)and the happiness spread on world ,here Allah tell Isa to go to top of the mountains cuz there is people will step out and no one can kill them (that means neither Isa and Mahdi can't kill them)they do what Allah said …
Yajog and Majog
I'll explain about them (they are two phyle ..they have lived for 10000 years ago in Thi Al kanain's age(mean he has two horns) this is his entitle cuz he umpired the east and west..in his age this two phyle was perversive and they spread the aggression ..the people request from the master(Thi Al kanain) to solve this problem …the master request from people to give him iron and this phyle live between to mountains ..so he smelt the iron to smelt the rock and he close to them … our Quran tell us this to phyle until now they try to find exit but in vain)
So when this two phyle step out ,it consider one of the doomsday's mark …
The army escape to mountains and the two phyle step out .. They eat every thing ,their numbers very big ,and drink a pool until last driblet ,last one of them says (no..there is pool from a moment )surely , Isa stay with world seven years , all this events in seven years…
Yajog and Majog subvert on world .. they think that they kill every one in the world and they want to kill every one in heaven ..they send their javelin to the heaven ,but Allah send their javelin to them with blood … they think that they kill every one in world and heaven….. our Quran tell us
(they cheat Allah ,but Allah does)......

to be Continued ... katsumoto
 
I think that if you can write the ten great things just in 10 lines instead of translating some long stories in several posts, more people would be interested. A loooong story without immediate conclusion is the best way to put off the people...
(Just my two cents.)
 
seems like these are stories about men. At its core, religion should be about its principles, not its practitioners. I appreciate Islam's rich history and the honorable principles it shares with other religions. That said, every time someone tries to proselytize to me about Islam (or any other religion) in the manner you are attempting, I can feel my eyes roll into the back of my head.

Fail.
 
undrentide ...... look what I write is not fiction or story
this events will happen one day before the doomsday
& every one don't want to read ,he is free ...
I write for interested only


to be Continued
 
katsumoto said:
undrentide ...... look what I write is not fiction or story
this events will happen one day before the doomsday
& every one don't want to read ,he is free ...
I write for interested only


to be Continued
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Sorry if you're offended, but I did not say it's a fiction, when I said "story" it does not mean something made up, it simply means something consists of many sentences. (If you look up English dictionary, you'll find the definition of the word story = a description, either true or imagined, of a connected series of events.)
There are things like those called "true story".
And when you are explaining something important, you can make it either long for elaboration, or short for easy understanding for others.

Anyway, don't worry, I will not post on this thread further as I lost interests completely because of your comments, and I don't want to upset you, either.
 
Does *any* of this really have anything to do with Japan?

I mean, seriously, man.

Jeez.
 
undrentide said:
Anyway, don't worry, I will not post on this thread further as I lost interests completely because of your comments, and I don't want to upset you, either.
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I'm sorry man if I was indelicate with you ..
cuz when I write about my religion ... the other mock cuz they have another religion ..... forgive me please ....... 🙂

and you tell me to write ten lines only ...so I was angry

End of Yajog and Majog ,,, and Isa's death

Isa invoke God to kill those two clan ..the Allah send a worm (Nagaf),this worm kill all that two clans .. then Isa send man to sure there no one on world ,he looks and backs to prognosticate Isa that Allah kill them and they dead .then Isa descend from mountain and Moslems ,and they're happy for killing
(Yajog and Majog )
But the bodies is moldiness, so Isa invoke Allah to end this bodies .. Allah send big great birds to throw them away and Allah commands sky to rain and wash the world ,and grow plants …… then Isa die …..

After this events ,eerie event happen like appearance of animal ..
The people hear there is animal appears
(This animal -like camel)
This animal appear from Makkah ,this animal speak like human
If he (Animal) saw believer, he writes on his forehead …believer ….
And if he saw faithless, he writes to his forehead …..Faithless…
When this animal appears ,there is another event happen ..
It's … the sun shines from west where the doors of repentance is closed …….
There is no pardon and pray ….
The sun shines from west for three days ,afte that it 'll shine from east .. in this event the world is not over ,but the doors of repentance is closed..

The smoke

After that another event happen … all people in the world sees the sky full with smoke .. cuz of the smoke ,the sky and sun disappear .
The people(deviation)starts cry and pray ,but in vain..

The eclipse
There is three eclipses : one of them in east ,other in west and the third in Arab's island ……
Those great eclipses eat people.. in that days appear sweet wind from Yemen diffusion in the world and hold on Moslems's soul like sneeze ..and stay on world only the devil people …
In that days there is no mosque , holy books (Quran)and the Kabba will be demolished …
Our prophet says ( I see him demolish the Kabba with ax )
In that days there is no pilgrimage and the Quran is raised
(the Quran's words raise and stay in hearts )
Until Madineh's (holy city)sanctuary there is no one go but animals and dogs ..
And some of people hear (there is no God but Allah )and don't know what it means ..
Devil people stays on world only and they drunk and there is no
Judgement but aggression ..the people kill each other .

to be Continued .... If you face any thing don't understand them don't hesitate to ask me
 
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Katsumoto

I believe in respecting other people's believes. Your country Syria has been a very good example.
For centuries long Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in peace together in Syria.

These three religions have quite some similarities although none of us like to admid such.
We prefer to underline the differences. Christians also believe in a doomsday, that is the day when Jesus comes back to earth.
The Jewish people are waiting for the Messiah.

Today we have many Muslims living in Europe, coming from Turkey, from Africa and of course from the Middle-East.
In my country, Holland, we now have more mosques than windmills.
 
Elizabeth van Kampen ..... thank you for participation
and your speaking is right .....
my main goal is knowledge so I write that to in to details
e.g some people know Appearance of Dajjal ... but( how ,when where)
no one knows exactly .......
 
katsumoto said:
Mycernius ..... thank you for participation but you're mock either me and my religion ..[/QUOTE[
I am an atheist, so I find all religions a bit ridiculous, not just yours.
Ok no prolem ..... now I want to Prove to you why me religion is correct
(my respectable to other religions ) and if I want to prove to about my religion ,
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Go ahead sparky, and join the rest of the world that have tried to prove their religions are the correct ones, usually at the point of the sword, Islam being one of these that like to use the point of the sword. Believe me you are not the first to try, and you won't be the last.

I'll take month and I explane so I'll tell you two things .....1- Israel tries to change one letter in our holy book (Quran) but we discover that and Quran is written in KSA only.....
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The Qur'an is a mixture of Jewish, Christian and pre-Islamic myths collected together with one mans opinions. Your holy book didn't even come into existance as the written word until after Mohammads death, and even then Abu-Bakr was reluctant to have it written down. When it was is was taken from people who had heard it from Muhammad or from other Muslims, but human memory is fallible and you cannot guarrentee that what they eventually passed as fit for printing was exactly what Muhammad had said. Already human error is present. Then the langauge wasn't standardised until the 9th century. All copies are made from one text, but still errors occur, as they did in the bible. At least another version of the Qur'an still exists today, despite Uthman trying to destroy all other copies when it was eventually standardised.
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/quran.htm#G3 said:
The codex of Zaid ibn Thabit, taken from the manuscript of Hafsah, was chosen by Uthman for this purpose, to the consternation of both Mas'ud and Ibn Ka'b. Zaid ibn Thabit was a much younger man, who had not yet been born at the time Mas'ud had recited 70 suras by heart before Muhammad.

According to Muslim tradition Zaid's codice was chosen by Uthman because the language used, the 'Quraishi dialect,' was local to Mecca, and so had become the standard Arabic. Tradition maintains that Zaid, along with three scholars of the Quraishi tribe of Mecca, had written the codice in this Quraishi dialect, as it had been revealed to Muhammad in this dialect. Linguists today, however, are still at a quandary to know what exactly this Quraishi dialect was, as it doesn't exist today and therefore cannot be identified. Furthermore, the dialect which we find in the present Qur'an does not differ from the language which was current in other parts of the Hijaz at that time. While it makes for a good theory, it has little historical evidence with which to back it up.

A further reason for the choice of Zaid's codice, according to tradition, was that it had been kept in virtual seclusion for many years, and so had not attracted the publicity as one of the varying texts, as had the codices of Abdullah ibn Mas'ud and Ubayy ibn Ka'b. Ironically, by virtue of their popularity, Mas'ud's and Ka'b's codices were rejected as sources for the final Qur'an and supplanted by the codice of an individual who neither had the notoriety, nor the experience, and whose text (as we shall soon discover) had never been selected as authoritative by the prophet, as had the other two.

Consequently, copies of Zaid's codice were then sent out and dispersed throughout every Muslim province, while all the other manuscripts were summarily destroyed.

It is evident from this discussion that the final choice for an authoritative text had little to do with its authenticity, but had more to do with the fact that it was not a controversial manuscript. It is also evident that there were no two Qur'ans which existed at that time which were exactly alike. This tradition tells us that other whole copies did exist, yet not one of the other texts were spared the order for their destruction. We must conclude that the destruction of the other manuscripts was a drastic effort to standardize the Qur'anic text. While we may have one standard text today, there is no proof that it corresponds with the original. We can only say that it may possibly be similar to the Uthmanic recension, a recension which was one of many. Yet, what evidence is there that in all instances it was the correct one? We don't know as we have no others with which to compare.
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(Bold mine)

And once again you cannot guarrentee that human error was made in Uthmans version. So you cannot say for certain that the Qur'an has not been corrupted from its initial recitation of Mohammad, any more than a Christian or Jew can say that their holy books are the exact word of the originals.

every things that scientist detect any thing ,our holy book mention that from 1500 years ago ... for example .. recently the scientist detect that the two big oceans don't combine each other cuz there is isthmian between them and our holy book mention that from 1500 years ago......
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Don't talk utter BS. I have had the exact same arguments from Christians saying the Bible is really a science book. The Qur'an and the Bible are neither. Taking text out of context and trying to show that it really shows that the world is a sphere (something the greeks knew about a 1000 years before Mohammad was born, and again with atomic theory) is the resort of the desperate. It is a religious text and nothing more.

2- I don't write any thing cuz I've been translated for three hours ......
so I'll mention now ....... before doomsday
hour's marks ( hour mean doomsday )
there is two kind from hour's marks ( the small and big, great )
the small one is done from prophet's age and one of there occur in our days .....
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here are some other doomsday myths for you to look over. Please tell me why yours is more valid than these.
Norse, Aztec, Jewish (the basis of your end of the world myth), Indian (Hindu) and Zoroastrian

and I ask my self the question .. does the people know about our religion??☝
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Yes, and it is no different from any others. I'm still waitng for you to prove that yours is the true religion and all others are wrong, your answer above does not do it. As for your "proofs" in these ten stories, they are full of the mythical monsters that you'll find from people all over the world. I am not convinced, at all.
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When is the line crossed between discussion of religion (which I don't really think belongs on JREF, but won't protest against) and plain proselytizing (which I seriously think has no place here)?
 
Mike Cash said:
When is the line crossed between discussion of religion (which I don't really think belongs on JREF, but won't protest against) and plain proselytizing (which I seriously think has no place here)?
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He is currently walking a fine line at the moment. If he goes into straght proselytizing he will be warned and dealt with, but at the moment he is at least responding to comments and not resorting to preaching.
 
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