Help with this sentence

6) Here's my second composition. I proofread it, I think there shouldn't be any typos to the kanjis.

ドイツの外来語と日本語の外来語で「trottoir」と「パソコン」を紹介してみたいです。「trottoir」というのは歩く人の道のことだ。。このことばは貴族に鳴るために使われているとおもっています。

「パソコン」はえいごのことばです。「パソコン」というのは個人用のコンピュータのことだ。このことばは外国の発明を名称を付けるために使われているので、やくにたつりょうとおもっています。
 
7) My first composition:
外来語はいろいろな目的に有用なことばです。たとえば、 医学界とか文学とかで複雑なことには名称がつけられる。このみたいなことを正確に説くのは役に立ちます。でも、いつでも大和言葉のいみが同じですが、このことばを使ったほうがいいと思おいます。

There should be no typos left.
 
1)
I used "adverb" as the translation of 副詞. 副詞 refers to the part of speech (品詞) that modifies 用言 (verbs and adjectives) or 副詞 in Japanese grammar.

The meaning is basically almost the same; such like "various opinions are expressed" vs. "opinions are expressed variously (as...)".

5)
Just grammatical errors;
今日は私の車は故障しているので、
車が故障したので、

何とかりゆうかわからないんですが、電車はごふん前にとまって、事故があったという発表をしました。
電車が五分前にとまって、事故があったという発表がありました。
(何が理由かわからないんですが、/理由はわからないんですが、 is semantically odd since the reason "due to an accident" is obvious.)

今日は会えないと思っています。来週の1月14日にもういちどう会ってみましょうか。
今日は会えないと思います。来週の1月14日にもういちど(う is unnecessary)会っていただけませんか。

my attempt:
もしもし、山田です。本日1時にお会いする約束でしたが、電車が事故で遅れておりまして、時間に間に合いそうにありません。
大変申し訳ありませんが、本日の予定を来週月曜日の14日に変更していただくことはできませんでしょうか。
ご迷惑をおかけして申し訳ありませんが、よろしくお願いいたします。では失礼いたします。

6)
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「trottoir」というのは歩く人の道のことだ。
「trottoir」というのは歩く人の道のことです。

このことばは貴族に鳴るために使われているとおもっています。 doesn't make sense.

7)
複雑なことには名称がつけられる。
複雑なことに(は is unnecessary)名前がつけられます。

このみたいなことを正確に説くのは役に立ちます。
このようなことを正確に説明する(の)には役に立ちます。

でも、いつでも大和言葉のいみが同じですが、このことばを使ったほうがいいと思おいます。 doesn't make much sense.
 
Thanks!
I read your response until 5) so far, will read on later :)
I have a question about a word (or maybe construction) I encountered in my listening comprehension. I'll also link the text for context: IMG_20170124_0001_NEW_0001.pdf - DocDroid

8) ごご6時ごろおいでください。
Haven't seen this form so far. It immediately reminded of "おきます" without kanji, which is used in constructions like this:
休憩の前にこの問題を解いておきます。
or
台所をつかったら、掃除しておきます。
or
明日ここにパーテイがあるから、椅子はこのままにしておいてください。

however, first its で not て in the above mentioned form, and second it's not in relation to another -te form verb.
I also couldn't find "おぐ" as a verb.
 
お出でください
polite prefix お + 連用形/-masu stem of a (classical) verb 出づ(いづ)
 
about 6)
貴族になったら、この言葉を使っていると思っています。
Would that work better?
 
About 7)
いつでも大和言葉より正確ですが、この言葉を使ったほうがいいと思っています。

That works better?
If I wanted to say: "Whenever a word of japanese origin is more or at least as precise (as the foreign word),..."
How would I say that? I especially struggle with "or". I can't remember having learnt any word or particle yet which exactly reflects the functionality of "or".
 
時間を合う
means "to be in time/to come in time".
What was the opposite again "時間を..."?
 
6)
What do you want to say?

7)
whenever
[接続詞]
1 …する時はいつも,…する度に(any time when)
Come whenever you like.
好きな時にいつでもいらっしゃい

Whenever he comes, he asks me the same question.
来るたびに同じ質問をする.
wheneverの意味 - goo辞書 英和和英

Notice that the translation is "…する時はいつも" (whenever you like 好きな時にいつでも). Your translation いつでも大和言葉より正確ですが actually means "although it is always more precise than 大和言葉."

As you wrote, 大和言葉 means Japanese origin words, thus, this doesn't include Chinese origin words such like 外来語, 紹介, 発明, 名称 or 個人用. You are saying you think it's better these words are not used, either.

"Or" is か (hint: more precise or at least as precise as...).

9)
There must be a typo/misreading/mishearing or misunderstanding/misinterpretation in 時間を合う.
 
About 6)
Basically, I want to say something along these lines:
"If you want to sound elegant, you use these words."

About 9)
Yeah, it was 時間に会う。
sry ^^

About 7)
okay, concerning "or" this is clearly out of the range of what I've learnt so far ^^
 
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6)
elegantの意味 - goo辞書 英和和英

貴族 is a noun "noble/aristocracy (duke, marquis, count, viscount, baron,,,)".

7)
より正確か、少なくとも同じくらい(正確)な…

9)
It's not 時間に会う, but [modifying clause + 時間]に会う. 時間に会う is never used alone without a modifying clause that expresses "what kind of the timing (e.g. 都合のいい時間に会う, 毎日同じ時間に会う)", thus, the structure is quite the same as 2時に会う.
 
About 7)
I know about the problem with "大和言葉". I just used it for the lack of a better word. Using "日本語のことば" seemed wrong to me, because foreign words from a certain perspective also belong to a language.
So, consider it a "placeholder" for the lack of a better terminology...^^

Judging from your examples and the link to goo dictionary "whenever" isn't always expressed explicitely through one corresponding vocable. Okay^^

=> 大和言葉よりせいかくだったらいつもこの言葉をつかったほうがいいです。
 
I know about the problem with "大和言葉". I just used it for the lack of a better word. Using "日本語のことば" seemed wrong to me, because foreign words from a certain perspective also belong to a language.
So, consider it a "placeholder" for the lack of a better terminology...^^
In that case, I would use another expression "~の方が正確だ".

Judging from your examples and the link to goo dictionary "whenever" isn't always expressed explicitely through one corresponding vocable. Okay^^
"Whenever the loan word is more precise, it's better~" means "When the loan word is more precise, it's always better~", and not "When the loan word is always more precise, it's better~". That's exactly why the word order of the translation is "…する時はいつも", not "いつも…する時は". Makes sense?

It's better to use それ instead of この言葉 there.
 
That's exactly why the word order of the translation is "…する時はいつも", not "いつも…する時は". Makes sense?
日本語の方より正確だ時はいつも使ったほうがいいです。
That way? I must admit I'm struggling a bit how this element する時はいつも has to be arranged with the rest of the sentence, since the examples on goo don't contain exactly this element. With the help of your english reconstruction of the japanese sentence pattern though, this is the best guess I could come up with ^^
 
1) 食事を用意してもらったが、急用ができて途中で帰った。
=> Although meal was prepared for you,...
...because pressing business was in the midst of being finished, you returned.

I'm having issues with the interpretation of te-form here. I could imagine that it either gives a reason or points out an accompanying state ("with important business being in the midst of being finished...)
とちゅうで could also relate to the meal they are having, but it sounds more like he doesn't even start the meal so I don't know...
 
7)
a structure for comparison
Aより(も)Bの方が~
B is more ~ than A.

When A and B are obvious from the context, it's not necessary to mention both A and B. It's OK to say just one of them; "Aより(も)~" or "Bの方が~".
e.g.
東京タワーよりも東京スカイツリーの方が高い。
Tokyo Sky Tree is higher than Tokyo Tower.

東京タワーよりも高い。
This sentence is interpreted as 東京スカイツリーは東京タワーよりも高い。 even without mentioning Tokyo Sky Tree.

東京スカイツリーの方が高い。
In the same logic, this means "Tokyo Sky Tree is higher (than Tokyo Tower )."

Back to your composition, it's obvious that you are comparing "loan words" and "Japanese words other than loan words" from the context, so it's OK just to say 外来語の方が正確. You don't need to look for the word corresponding to "Japanese words other than loan words". This is the way I explained in my previous post.

正確だ時は
正確 is a na-adjective.

I must admit I'm struggling a bit how this element する時はいつも has to be arranged with the rest of the sentence, since the examples on goo don't contain exactly this element.
「whenever」に関連した英語例文の一覧 - Weblio英語例文検索
wheneverの意味・用例|英辞郎 on the WEB:アルク
いつも使ったほうがいいです。 is correct, though.

1)
You misinterpreted/overlooked ~てもらう.

急用ができて and 途中で both modify 帰った as an adverbial phrase. 急用ができて doesn't modify 途中で, so the meaning is the same even if the word order is 途中で急用ができて帰った。.
As for the interpretation of 途中で, 食事を用意してもらった shows that the preparation is completed, so 食事の途中 is what it expresses.
 
About 7)

Thanks!

東京タワーよりも高い。
This sentence is interpreted as 東京スカイツリーは東京タワーよりも高い。 even without mentioning Tokyo Sky Tree.

I finally get to understand this construction...it was introduced in chapter 12, book 1, but it was introduced so badly I never really understood it -.- In the grammar section, they used THIS sentence as an example:
この車はあの車よりおおきいです。
...Its impossible to find out how the elements of the comparison are coordinated between each other -,-

=> 日本語の方が正確なときはいつも使ったほうがいいです。
or the other way
外来語よりも正確なときはいつも使ったほうがいいです。

I will try to understand your links about "whenever".
 
About 1)
I also felt unwell with my translation of -てもらう.
but, how else should I translate it?
"Although you already received the favor of preparing the meal,..."?

The second part:
"...you returned in the midst of finishing urgent business"?
Even if this translation is correct though, it doesn't even make sense to me Oo
 
I'm having several issues with this text&graph:
IMG_20170131_0001_NEW.pdf - DocDroid

2) First, I don't know what the graph is actually showing me.
The text is about some trends in the answers to the respective items of the poll.
But I can't see how the results of the poll are represented in the graph. I must add that I think that this is a standardized poll, so people have to pick an answer instead of articulating their own answer (less work for evaluation of the raw data).
There seem to be 3 or 5 options for an answer. 2 are showcased in the text, 3 are mentioned in the graph.
This graph would only work if it showed the proportions between men and women in respect to ONE specific answer to the respective items displayed in the graph.
Either that or I'm too dumb to understand the graph.

3) The biggest confusion in my opinion arises from the fact that I don't understand the graph. Its this:
"どちらも時間が止まるのは同じですが、前者の答え女性、校舎の答えは男性が多くて、男性のほうが悲観的な考え方をする傾向がありました。
What or who is "both" here? Is it the answers that were explained before? Or is it the groups of people, men and women, who have both answered with the "timestop" answers?
Again, even if this point is clarified, the graph in my opinion still doesn't make any sense, because it doesn't explain what the bars actually tell me about the choices men and women have made.
However, here's how I would translate this passage, for the sake of completeness:
"Though both stopping time are the same, because the first answer (was used) often by women, the latter answer (was used) often by men, there was a trend for the men to have a more pessimist way of thinking."
I'd rather say "Though stopping time was for both the same..." because I think that the meaning is that both men and women used the "timestop" answer, but each group its own version.
 
1)
It's not the problem of how to translate the nuance of ~てもらう. The more crucial problem I pointed out is your interpretation of who the subject is.

The second part:
"...you returned in the midst of finishing urgent business"?
You seem to misunderstand my explanation also here.

2)
People answered freely, not choosing one of the listed answers. The similar answers are classified into each group. こんな答えもありました clearly shows it.

3)
どちらも is "the answers that were explained before".
 
4) Here's my translation of the whole text:
"The moments where you think that you wish the time would stop, what times/moments are these?" - A company for watches has conducted a poll on 516 20 years old men and women, concerning (their) perception of time.
Concerning the answers, there were 2 trends. One said that "Because I'm happy I wish that this current time would stop" the happiest moment.
Another answer said that "Because I will likely have worries, if I was given the favor of having the time stop except for my own, I think about what to do in this timeframe." avoid bad things cases.
Though both are the same concerning stopping time, because the first answer (was used) often by women, the latter answer (was used) often by men, there was a trend for the men to have a more pessimist way of thinking.
Furthermore, only women have answered "When Im in Disneyland" "When Im eating tasty food". But, both men and women were in rank 1 "When I'm in a romantic relationship", as expected it looks like the twenty year olds/the age 20 are/is the season of romantic love.


I'll get to your answers to 1-3 later.
 
4)
Because I will likely have worries
It's 失敗(しぱい), not 心配(しぱい).
You did the same mistakes previously; 初めて vs. 始めて or 都会(とかい) vs. 東海(とうかい). You'd better make a habit of crosschecking the word with the kanji in the dictionary, not only with furigana. Even if you can't read kanji, you can recognize the difference between 失敗 and 心配, right?

When I'm in a romantic relationship
恋人いるとき, not 恋人いるとき/恋をしているとき.

The rest is OK.
 
About 1)
a) Hm, is the subject "I" then?
Honestly, I have no idea^^ This sentence was isolated.
"Though I received the favor of having the meal prepared,..."
The subject must be the receiver in this case, wether it's you or I or he or whatever. If things are different, then I can't see it ^^

b) sry I wouldn't really know what else to do.
This is my last guess:
"...finishing urgent business underway, I returned."
 
About 4)
The underlined parts weren't really attached to the rest of the sentence.
Thats why I underlined them, because I felt to unsure about them.
for the first one, would this work:
"...for the happiest moment"?
for the second one:
" 'Because I will likely fail...' for cases where you avoid bad things" ?

恋人いるとき
=> When I'm with my sweetheart.
 
1) a)
"You" can't be the subject unless it is a question, complaint or something other than just a description of an event. "You" know what "you" experienced, so there is no reason to say it to "you". For instance, you never interpret 昨日すしを食べた as "Yesterday, you ate sushi", right?

b)
Please read my reply more carefully.
急用ができて and 途中で both modify 帰った as an adverbial phrase. 急用ができて doesn't modify 途中で, so the meaning is the same even if the word order is 途中で急用ができて帰った。.
As for the interpretation of 途中で, 食事を用意してもらった shows that the preparation is completed, so 食事の途中 is what it expresses.

4)
What is the function of という?
 
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