Need a word or phrase translated?
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That should work. Thanks a lot! 
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「キャラデザノータッチの件誤解も産みそうだから追記。アニメ化が決まった時点で望んだのがアニメスタッフさん達が納得してアニメスタッフさん達の作品としてアカメをやって欲しかったからそうしてきた」
Can't make heads or tales of this part:
アニメ化が決まった時点で望んだのが
Is this a mistype? It would (somewhat) make sense as a preface if it were： アニメ化が決まった時点で望んだのだが．．．Otherwise there are too many subjects here, right?
Assuming this IS NOT a preface It should be: （私は）アニメ化が決まった時点で（私が）望んだものにアニメスタッフが納得してアニメスタッフの作品としてアカメをやって欲しかった。 No?
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Try this:
Ask yourself what function "ever" serves in those sentences. How would they be different without it?
I looked at it a bit and decided that there isn't really a huge difference with or without it.
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So it is merely for emphasis and in a translation what you would need to translate is the emphasis...not the word itself.
It's as you say. If I may be so bold as to ask. How exactly would you go about translating the emphasis in this case?
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It isn't needed for the first. Use まさか on the second one.
Thank you very much.
margie
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Hi, i need help with this sentence in a japanese manga I've been reading.
娘に 握りっ屁を かがされる 父親って
I think it meant: (For a father?) to smell the (held? caught?) fart in (his) daughter's hand
日本中で 何人くらい いるものだ そうか
I wonder if it happens to many people in Japan...
Situation: his daughter was playing "guess what inside her hand", which later revealed that it was fart when she *innocently* opened her hand right in front of his face.
I understand he's thinking (pondering) about that and (probably) wondering if it's common in Japan. Can someone explain the grammar/sentence to me? I'm confused with this sentence....
Thanks in advance!
娘に 握りっ屁を かがされる 父親って
I think it meant: (For a father?) to smell the (held? caught?) fart in (his) daughter's hand
日本中で 何人くらい いるものだ そうか
I wonder if it happens to many people in Japan...
Situation: his daughter was playing "guess what inside her hand", which later revealed that it was fart when she *innocently* opened her hand right in front of his face.
I understand he's thinking (pondering) about that and (probably) wondering if it's common in Japan. Can someone explain the grammar/sentence to me? I'm confused with this sentence....
Thanks in advance!
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There is no typos there, although it's a bit ungrammatical.
アニメ化が決まった時点で望んだのが; the subject
アニメスタッフさん達が納得してアニメスタッフさん達の作品としてアカメをやって欲しかった（ということ）; the predicative
The following revised version makes more sense?
アニメ化が決まった時点で（私が）望んだのが、アニメスタッフさん達が納得してアニメスタッフさん達の作品としてアカメをやって欲しかったということだ。だからそうしてきた。
The core of the sentence is 父親って日本中で何人くらいいるものだろうか "I wonder how many fathers there are in Japan", and 娘に握りっ屁をかがされる modifies 父親. Notice that かがされる is causative passive.
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Something still doesn't sit right with me.
How do I translate the "（私が）望んだのが" part with actual context? If it was 望んだのは it would be quite simple - What I wanted was: xxx. etc. But in this case が expresses new information, right? It was the desirable thing that xxx? He's trying to say that he actually wanted this? As opposed to WHAT he wanted in case of 望んだのは?
"At the point in time when it was settled on an anime adaptation it was what I wished for; I wanted the staff to come to terms with the idea and make the anime their own."?
Also, isn't 欲しかった redundant in this case? 望んだのが、．．．やって欲しかったということ？ What if we change it to: 「（私が）望んだのが、スタッフがスタッフの作品としてアカメをやってくれるということ 」?
How do I translate the "（私が）望んだのが" part with actual context? If it was 望んだのは it would be quite simple - What I wanted was: xxx. etc. But in this case が expresses new information, right? It was the desirable thing that xxx? He's trying to say that he actually wanted this? As opposed to WHAT he wanted in case of 望んだのは?
"At the point in time when it was settled on an anime adaptation it was what I wished for; I wanted the staff to come to terms with the idea and make the anime their own."?
Also, isn't 欲しかった redundant in this case? 望んだのが、．．．やって欲しかったということ？ What if we change it to: 「（私が）望んだのが、スタッフがスタッフの作品としてアカメをやってくれるということ 」?
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There is no difference in meaning between が and は in that sentence. To bring a new information is just a function of が. が just emphasizes the preceding clause comparing to は here.
やってくれる sounds like "to do it for me", whereas the original is more likely "they are free to do".
margie
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Oh, my guess-translation was dead wrong, lol.
Aaah, I see. I was wondering if the "父親って" part goes with the second line... (Since it's in the bubble containing the first sentence, I just thought it belong to that sentence, apparently I was wrong). And thanks for correcting the sentence!
Can you explain why かがされる is causative / what part that made it causative? Isn't される / れる passive form? I take it as かぐ + される.
Thank you in advance.
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Sorry, it seems that I revised my previous post while you were writing. I changed my mistake "causative" to "causative passive". As for this conjugation form, please see the wiki page linked below. (The passive of かぐ is かがれる, btw.)
Japanese verb conjugation - Wikipedia
)Japanese verb conjugation - Wikipedia
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No difference in meaning, but they still serve different functions, right? In this case 「が」simply carries out the function of 動作・存在・状況の主体を表す and 「は」 判断の主題を提示する意を表す. So with "が" the sentence is supposed to sound more "neutral". Is this assumption right? If so how should we translate this emphasis to English?
I see. I wanted to make it sound a bit softer so I used くれる and the nuance changed accordingly . What if we simply changed it to 「望んだのが．．．スタッフがスタッフの作品としてアカメをやるということ」？
I see. I wanted to make it sound a bit softer so I used くれる and the nuance changed accordingly . What if we simply changed it to 「望んだのが．．．スタッフがスタッフの作品としてアカメをやるということ」？
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I would use "What I wanted when an anime adaptation was settled was..."
Yeah, that's valid, or rather, that's more common and natural.
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Then how would you translate the 望んだのは version?
Ah, I see. That 欲しかった really tripped me up. That's why I ended up thinking that the 望んだのが was a typo/was supposed to be a preface, because what's the point of using "my wish was" + "I wanted" in the same sentence.
Ah, I see. That 欲しかった really tripped me up. That's why I ended up thinking that the 望んだのが was a typo/was supposed to be a preface, because what's the point of using "my wish was" + "I wanted" in the same sentence.
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The translation is the same since the meaning is the same, as I wrote.
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OK. Thank you as usual.
So basically, there's no way to adequately translate the subtle emphasis on a certain clause to English
I guess you could use a varying tone in spoken language.
So basically, there's no way to adequately translate the subtle emphasis on a certain clause to English
I guess you could use a varying tone in spoken language.
margie
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Sorry, it seems that I revised my previous post while you were writing. I changed my mistake "causative" to "causative passive". As for this conjugation form, please see the wiki page linked below. (The passive of かぐ is かがれる, btw.
Japanese verb conjugation - Wikipedia
Oh yeah, i missed that... *and i was looking at causative passive grammar while writing that reply too....*
Thanks for explaining it to me!
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Very close. 出ます is not past.
