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I look Japanese. I eat gohan with nattou. I eat sukiyaki, tororo, gobo and other Japanese food. I know how to use a hashi, but I am not Japanese. I am an American of Japanese ancestry and I have the best of both worlds...so to speak. If you're scared or embarrassed to ask a total stranger (gaijin) the experience or life as a Nikkei, ask me...P.S. I can't read, write or speak Japanese, but you wouldn't know it until I open my mouth.
 
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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question. Especially if the only thing you have going for you is being part Japanese with no ties to Japan, or any knowledge of it beyond what the anime groupies probably have.
 
If you're scared or embarrassed to ask a total stranger (gaijin) the experience or life as a Nikkei, ask me...P.S. I can't read, write or speak Japanese, but you wouldn't know it until I open my mouth.

Which side of the family? Or are both of your parents Japanese?

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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question.

Erm, I just did 😊 does that count?
 
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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question. Especially if the only thing you have going for you is being part Japanese with no ties to Japan, or any knowledge of it beyond what the anime groupies probably have.

Well, they're asking. And speaking about anime, I'm not into that stuff. Well, I was, but Google Raideen UFO Daiapparon or Getta Robo
 
Which side of the family? Or are both of your parents Japanese?
Erm, I just did 😊 does that count?
Don't worry, I'll answer.
My grandfather on my father side was originally from Fukushima prefecture , specifically Aizu/Wakamatsu. My father is a nisei making me a sansei. On my mother side, my mother was from Yamagata Shinjo-shi. I don't speak Japanese very well and I'm a nisei. Because of my lack of Japanese, I relate more on the sansei side than nisei. And much to the chagrin (funman) of Drew-san from Louisiana, I am still Japanese according to the hakujin (white people). How would I know? Google Executive Order 9066

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What makes you think anyone wants to ask you a question. Especially if the only thing you have going for you is being part Japanese with no ties to Japan, or any knowledge of it beyond what the anime groupies probably have.
Oh and the surprise attack on December 7 1941 was not a surprise.
Hiroshima August 6, 1945, U.S. soldiers were killed in the blast too.
Not bad for a anime freak, eh?
 
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I am an American of Japanese ancestry. So I am an American. Boku ha Nikkei Americajin desu. kedo, Nihongo ha zenzen hanashimasen. Gomen ne?
 
And much to the chagrin (funman) of Drew-san from Louisiana, I am still Japanese according to the hakujin (white people). How would I know? Google Executive Order 9066
I'm just guessing, but I think that the white people don't mean to imply that you're not American by saying that. It's probably the same (in their minds) as when they call themselves Irish or Italian or whatever.
 
I'm just guessing, but I think that the white people don't mean to imply that you're not American by saying that. It's probably the same (in their minds) as when they call themselves Irish or Italian or whatever.

Or he may be kokujin. But I digress. Well living here in the States, the first appearance makes the person. If you see an Irish or an Italian, you think: white. See an Asian? One thinks gaijin. It's the way the world revolves.

Mikawa, good question. Ask more. I loe it when Japanese people from Japan ask about us.
 
Actually, when I see an Asian in American, I don't think "gaijin" since I've only recently learned what that word means... the first thing I usually think is "I wonder if they're Chinese? Japanese? Korean? Taiwane -- uh-oh, they see me looking at them! " *walks the other way swiftly* 😊
 
Actually, when I see an Asian in American, I don't think "gaijin" since I've only recently learned what that word means... the first thing I usually think is "I wonder if they're Chinese? Japanese? Korean? Taiwane -- uh-oh, they see me looking at them! " *walks the other way swiftly* 😊
LOL But keep in mind, Asian American can also mean: Americans of Iraqi, Iranian, Afghani, Arabian, Russian and so on descent.
 
Yes, I know.. I guess I could've used the term "Oriental" instead to try to be more precise, but that feels funny to say to me. Becaase it seems to describe a location more than a people.
 
Yes, I know.. I guess I could've used the term "Oriental" instead to try to be more precise, but that feels funny to say to me. Becaase it seems to describe a location more than a people.

The term Oriental was created by statisticians and scientists to group folks in certain ethnic groups. Blacks were Negroids while whites were called Caucasoid. When self-identity became the forefront of self realization, the respective group dropped the terms and created their own. Negroid spawned black or African American (even though a white from South Africa is also an African American). oriental spawned Asian or Asian American. As Caucasoid or Caucasian to white. It's a self-identity issue and a matter of self-pride.
 
So why relegate yourself to a term like "Japanese-American," which is clearly an "outsider's" term created to define your ethnic group? Why not just call yourself "American of Japanese descent" If you care so much to point out your heritage. There's also no need to pepper your English with Japanese words (for which there are perfectly fine English equivalents) when you've already pointed out that you don't speak, read or write Japanese...

I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.

And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.

Lastly, you might want to avoid assuming that anyone residing in Japan is Japanese, you run the risk of the same mistake you accuse others of making.
 
So why relegate yourself to a term like "Japanese-American," which is clearly an "outsider's" term created to define your ethnic group? Why not just call yourself "American of Japanese descent" If you care so much to point out your heritage. There's also no need to pepper your English with Japanese words (for which there are perfectly fine English equivalents) when you've already pointed out that you don't speak, read or write Japanese...
I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.
And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.
Lastly, you might want to avoid assuming that anyone residing in Japan is Japanese, you run the risk of the same mistake you accuse others of making.
Firstly, I am not a compound adjective. And if you have to ask, contact an English professor.
Secondly, the title is not taken lightly. In the States, we are under-represented politically, and the self-imposed titles are used to promote our agenda. NCRR is an example Google NCRR or Nikkei for Civil Rights and Reparation.
I'm going to assume you are not of Japanese descent, so allow me to explain.
]I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.
During the hearings of the NCRR (national Coalition for Redress and Reparation) in front of the U.S. Department of Justice,
h t t p:// ww w. motherjones . com/news/feature/1998/09/ito.h t m l
Lillian Baker was adamant in not recognizing the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2. Prior to the late President Ronald Reagan signing H.R. 442 to law P.L. 100-383, she would claim that the camps were used to protect the Americans from fifth column spies. She felt that camp was more of a summer camp than a prison camp. A concentration camp. From the first immigrants from China till the end of the war, Asians and pacific Islanders lost their identity. Here's a list of what they went through:
1600s
Chinese and Filipinos reach Mexico on ships of the Manila galleon.
1830s
Chinese "sugar masters" working in Hawaii. Chinese sailors and peddlers in New York.
1835
U.S. and China sign first treaty.
1848
Gold discovered in California. Chinese begin to arrive.
1850
California imposes Foreign Miner's Tax and enforces it mainly against Chinese miners, who often had to pay more than once.
1852
First group of 195 Chinese contract laborers land in Hawaii. Over 20,000 Chinese enter California. Chinese first appear in court in California. Missionary Willian Speer opens Presbyterian mission for Chinese in San Francisco.
1854
Chinese in Hawaii establish a funeral society, their first community association in the islands. People v. Hall rules that Chinese can't give testimony in court. U.S. and Japan sign first treaty.
1857
San Francisco opens a school for Chinese children (changed to an evening school two years later). Missionary Augustus Loomis arrives to serve the Chinese in San Francisco.
1858
California passes a law to bar entry of Chinese and "Mongolians."
1860
Japan sends a diplomatic mission to U.S.
1862
Six Chinese district associations in San Francisco form loose federation. California imposes a "police tax" of $2.50 a month on every Chinese.
1865
Central Pacific Railroad Co. recruits Chinese workers for the transcontinental railroad.
1867
Two thousand Chinese railroad workers strike for a week.
1868
U.S. and China sign Burlingame - Seward Treaty recognizing rights of their citizens to emigrate. Eugene Van Reed illegally ships 149 Japanese laborers to Hawaii. Sam Damon opens Sunday school for Chinese in Hawaii.
1869
Completion of first trancontinental railroad. J.H. Schnell takes several dozen Japanese to California to establish the Wakamatsu Tea and Silk Colony. Chinese Christian evangelist S.P. Aheong starts preaching in Hawaii.
1870
California passes a law against the importation of Chinese, Japanese, and "Mongolian" women for prostitution. Chinese railroad workers in Texas sue company for failing to pay wages.
1872
California's Civil Procedure Code drops law barring Chinese court testimony.
1875
Page Law bars entry of Chinese, Japanese, and "Mongolian" prostitutes, felons, and contract laborers.
1877
Anti-Chinese violence in Chico, California. Japanese Christians set up the Gospel Soceity in San Francisco, the first immigrant association formed by the Japanese.
1878
In re Ah Yup rules Chinese not eligible for naturalized citizenship.
1879
California's second constitution prevents municipalities and corporations from employing Chinese. California state legislature passes law requiring all incorporated towns and cities to remove Chinese outside of city limits, but U.S. circuit court declares the law unconstitutional.
1880
U.S. and China sign treaty giving the U.S. the right to limit but "not absolutely prohibit" Chinese immigration. Section 69 of California's Civil Code prohibits issuing of licenses for marriages between whites and "Mongolians, Negroes, mulattoes and persons of mixed blood."
1881
Hawaiian King Kalakaua visits Japan during his world tour. Sit Moon becomes pastor of the first Chinese Christian church in Hawaii.
1882
Chinese Exclusion Law suspends immigration of laborers for ten years. Chinese community leaders form Chinese Consolidated Benevolent Association (CCBA or Chinese Six Companies) in San Francisco. U.S. and Korea sign first treaty.
1883
Chinese in New York establish CCBA.
1884
Joseph and Mary Tape sue San Francisco school board to enroll their daughter Mamie in a public school. Chinese Six Companies sets up Chinese language school in San Francisco. United Chinese Society established in Honolulu. CCBA established in Vancouver. 1882 Chinese Exclusion Law amended to require a certificate as the only permissible evidence for reentry.
1885
San Francisco builds new segregated "Oriental School." Anti-Chinese violence at Rock Springs, Wyoming Territory. First group of Japanese contract laborers arrvies in Hawaii under the Irwin Convention.
1886
Residents of Tacoma, Seattle, and many places in the American West forcibly expel the Chinese. End of Chinese immigration to Hawaii. Chinese laundrymen win case in Yick Wo v. Hopkins, which declares that a law with unequal impact on different groups is discriminatory.
1888
Scott Act renders 20,000 Chinese reentry certificates null and void.
1889
First Nishi Hongwanji priest from Japan arrives in Hawaii. Chae Chan Ping v. U.S. upholds constitutionality of Chinese exclusion laws.
1892
Geary Law renews exclusion of Chinese laborerers for another ten years and requires all Cihnese to register. Fong Yue Ting v. U.S. upholds constitutionality of Geary Law.
1893
Japanese in San Francisco form first trade association, the Japanese Shoemakers' League. Attempts are made to expel Chinese from towns in sourthern California.
1894
Sun Yat-sen founds the Xingzhonghui in Honolulu. U.S. circuit court in Massachusetts declares in In re Saito that Japanese are ineligible for naturalization. Japanese immigration to Hawaii under Irwin Convention ends and emigration companies take over.
1895
Lem Moon Sing v. U.S. rules that district courts can no longer review Chinese habeas corpus petitions for landing in the U.S.
1896
Shinsei Kaneko, a Japanese Californian, is naturalized. Bubonic plague scare in Honolulu - Chinatown burned.
1897
Nishi Hongwanji includes Hawaii as a mission field.
1898
Wong Kim Ark v. U.S. decides that Chinese born in the U.S. can't be stripped of their citizenship. Japanese in San Francisco set up Young Men's Buddhist Association. U.S. annexes Hawaii and the Philippines.
1899
Chinese reformers Kang Youwei and Liang Qichao tour North America to recruit members for the Baohuanghui. First Nishi Hongwanji priests arrive in California and set up North American Buddhist Mission.
1990
Japanese Hawaiian plantation workers begin going to the mainland after the Organic Act ended contract labor. Bubonic plague scare in San Francisco - Chinatown cordoned and quarantined.
1902
Chinese exclusion extended for another ten years. Immigration officials and the police raid Boston's Chinatown and, without search warrants, arrest almost 250 Chinese who allegedly had no registration certificates on their persons.
1903
First group of Korean workers arrives in Hawaii. 1500 Japanese and Mexican sugar beet workers strike in Oxnard, California. Koreans in Hawaii form Korean Evangelical Society. Filipino students (pensionados) arrive in the U.S. for higher education.
1904
Chinese exclusion made indefinite and applicable to U.S. insular possessions. Japanese plantation workers engage in first organized strike in Hawaii. Punjabi Sikhs begin to enter British Columbia.
1905
Chinese in the U.S. and Hawaii support boycott of American products in China. Koreans establish Korean Episcopal Church in Hawaii and Korean Methodist Church in California. San Francisco School Board attempts to segregate Japanese schoolchildren. Korean emigration ends. Koreans in San Francisco form Mutual Assistance Society. Asiatic Exclusion League formed in San Francisco. Section 60 of California's Civil Code amended to forbid marriage between whites and "Mongolians."
1906
Anti-Asian riot in Vancouver. Japanese nurserymen form California Flower Growers' Association. Koreans establish Korean Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles. Japanese scientists studying the aftermath of the San Francisco earthquake are stoned.
1907
Japan and the U.S. reach "Gentlemen's Agreement" whereby Japan stops issuing passports to laborers desiring to emigrate to the U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt signs Executive Order 589 prohibiting Japanese with passports for Hawaii, Mexico, or Canada to reemigrate to the U.S. Koreans form United Korean Society in Hawaii. First group of Filipino laborers arrives in Hawaii. Asian Indians are driven out of Bellingham, Washington.
1908
Japanese form Japanese Association of America. Canada curbs Asian Indian immigrants by denying entry to immigrants who haven't come by "continuous journey" from their homelands (there is no direct shipping between Indian and Canadian ports). Asian Indians are driven out of Live Oak, California.
1909
Koreans form Korean Nationalist Association. 7000 Japanese plantation workers strike major plantations on Oahu for four months.
1910
Administrative measures used to restrict influx of Asian Indians into California.
1911
Pablo Manlapit forms Filipino Higher Wages Association in Hawaii. Japanese form Japanese Association of Oregon in Portland.
1912
Sikhs build gurdwara in Stockton and establish Khalsa Diwan. Japanese in California hold statewide conference on Nisei education.
1913
California passes alien land law prohibiting "aliens ineligible to citizenship" from buying land or leasing it for longer than three years. Sikhs in Washington and Oregon establish Hindustani Association. Asian Indians in California found the revolutionary Ghadar Party and start publishing a newspaper. Pablo Manlapit forms Filipino Unemployed Association in Hawaii. Japanese form Northwest Japanese Association of America in Seattle. Korean farmworkers are driven out of Hemet, California.
1914
Aspiring Asian Indian immigrants who had chartered a ship to come to Canada by continuous journey are denied landing in Vancouver.
1915
Japanese form Central Japanese Association of Southern California and the Japanese Chamber of Commerce.
1917
Arizona passes an Alien Land Law. 1917 Immigration Law defines a geographic "barred zone" (including India) from which no immigrants can come. Syngman Rhee founds the Korean Christian Church in Hawaii.
1918
Servicemen of Asian ancestry who had served in World War I receive right of naturalization. Asian Indians form the Hindustani Welfare Reform Association in the Imperial and Coachella valleys in southern California.
1919
Japanese form Federation of Japanese Labor in Hawaii.
1920
10,000 Japanese and Filipino plantation workers go on strike. Japan stops issuing passports to picture brides due to anti-Japanese sentiments. Initiative in California ballot plugs up loopholes in the 1913 alien land law.
1921
Japanese farm workers driven out of Turlock, California. Filipinos establish a branch of the Caballeros Dimas Alang in San Francisco and a branch of the Legionarios del Trabajo in Honolulu. Washington and Louisiana pass alien land laws.
1922
Takao Ozawa v. U.S. declares Japanese not eligible for naturalized citizenship. New Mexico passes an alien land law. Cable Act declares that any American female citizen who marries "an alien ineligible to citizenship" would lose her citizenship.
1923
U.S. v. Bhagat Singh Thind declares Asian Indians not eligible for naturalized citizenship. Idaho, Montana, and Oregon pass alien land laws. Terrace v. Thompson upholds constitutionality of Washington's alien land law. Porterfield v. Webb upholds constitutionality of California's alien land law. Webb v. O'Brien rules that sharecropping is illegal because it is a ruse that allows Japanese to possess and use land. Frick v. Webb forbids aliens "ineligible to citizenship" from owning stocks in corporations formed for farming.
1924
Immigration Act denies entry to virtually all Asians. 1600 Filipino plantation workers strike for eight months in Hawaii.
1925
Warring tongs in North America's Chinatowns declare truce. Hilario Moncado founds Filipino Federation of America.
1928
Filipino farm workers are driven out of Yakima Valley, Washington. Filipinos in Los Angeles form Filipino American Christian Fellowship.
1930
Anti-Filipino riot in Watsonville, California.
1931
Amendment to Cable Act declares that no American-born woman who loses her citizenship (by marrying an alien ineligible to citizenship) can be denied the right of naturalization at a later date.
1934
Tydings - McDuffie Act spells out procedure for eventual Philippine independence and reduces Filipino immigration to 50 persons a year. Filipino lettuce pickers in the Slinas Valley, California, go on strike.
1936
American Federation of Labor grants charter to a Filipino - Mexican union of fieldworkers.
1937
Last ethnic strike in Hawaii.
1938
150 Chinese women garmentworkers strike for three months against the National Dollar Stores (owned by a Chinese).
1940
AFL charters the Filipino Federated Agricultural Laborers Association.
1941
After declaring war on Japan, 2000 Japanese community leaders along Pacific Coast states and Hawaii are rounded up and interned in Department of Justice camps.
1942
President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs Executive Order 9066 authorizing the secretary of war to delegate a military commander to designate military areas "from which any and all persons may be excluded" - primarily enforced against Japanese. Congress passes Public Law 503 to impose penal sanctions on anyone disobeying orders to carry out Executive Order 9066. Protests at Poston and Manzanar relocation centers.
1943
Protest at Topaz Relocation Center. Registration crisis leads to Tule Lake Relocation Center's designation as a segregation center. Hawaiian Nisei in the 100th Battalion sent to Africa. Congress repeals all Chinese exclusion laws, grants right of naturalization and a small immigration quota to Chinese.
1944
Tule Lake placed under martial law. Draft reinstated for Nisei. Draft resistance at Heart Mountain Relocation Center. 442nd Regimental Combat Team gains fame. Exclusion orders revoked.
1946
Luce - Celler bill grants right of naturalization and small immigration quotas to Asian Indians and Filipinos. Wing F. Ong becomes first Asian American to be elected to state office in the Arizona House of Representatives.
1947
Amendment to 1945 War Brides Act allows Chinese American veterans to bring brides into the U.S.
1949
5000 highly educated Chinese in the U.S. granted refugee status after China institutes a Communist government.
1952
One clause of the McCarran - Walter Act grants the right of naturalization and a small immigration quota to Japanese.
1956
California repeals its alien land laws. Dalip Singh from the Imperial Valley, California, is elected to Congress.
1962
Daniel K. Inouye becomes U.S. senator and Spark Matsunaga becomes U.S. congressman from Hawaii.
1964
Patsy Takemoto Mink becomes first Asian American woman to serve in Congress as representative from Hawaii.
1965
Immigration Law abolishes "national origins" as basis for allocating immigration quotas to various countries - Asian countries now on equal footing.
1968
Students on strike at San Francisco State University to demand establishment of ethnic studies programs.
1969
Students at the University of California, Berkeley, go on strike for establishment of ethnic studies programs.
1974
March Fong Eu elected California's secretary of state. Lau v. Nichols rules that school districts with children who speak little English must provide them with bilingual education.
1975
More than 130,000 refugees enter the U.S. from Vietnam, Kampuchea, and Laos as Communist governments are established there.
1976
President Gerald Ford rescinds Executive Order 9066.
1978
National convention of the Japanese American Citizens League adopts resolution calling for redress and reparations for the internment of Japanese Americans. Massive exodus of "boat people" from Vietnam.
1979
Resumption of diplomatic relations between the People's Republic of China and the United States of America reunites members of long-separated Chinese American families.
1980
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees set up an Orderly Departure Program to enable Vietnamese to emigrate legally.
1981
Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians (set up by Congress) holds hearings across the country and concludes the internment was a "grave injustice" and that Executive Order 9066 resulted from "race prejudice, war hysteria and a failure of political leadership."
1982
Vincent Chin, a Chinese American draftsman, is clubbed to death with a baseball bat by two Euro-American men.
1983
Fred Korematsu, Min Yasui, and Gordon Hirabayashi file petitions to overturn their World War II convictions for violating the curfew and evacuation orders.
1986
Immigration Reform and Control Act imposes civil and criminal penalties on employers who knowingly hire undocumented aliens.
1987
The U.S. House of Representatives votes 243 to 141 to make an official apology to Japanese Americans and to pay each surviving internee $20,000 in reparations.
1988
The U.S. Senate votes 69% to 27 to support redress for Japanese Americans. American Homecoming Act allows children in Vietnam born of American fathers to emigrate to the U.S.
1989
President George Bush signs into law an entitlement program to pay each surviving Japanese American internee $20,000. U.S. reaches agreement with Vietnam to allow political prisoners to emigrate to the U.S.
Does this sound like a race who need to eliminate their cultural identity? And being in the U.S., does it mean I have to submit and eliminate the past so I would not be,
I don't understand this implication that Americans of Japanese descent are somehow a unique group of Americans, it smacks of nihonjinron. None of the Japanese-Americans I know (and I know quite a few) wear their heritage like some sort of badge that makes them special. And as such, practically no one I know suffers from the racial near-sightedness you describe by automatically assuming that anyone that looks Asian is a foreigner.
For more than 400 years, we were deemed a foreign entity, and laws were passed and still, laws today make it so.
And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.
Unless it's removed, I was quoting someone.
Lastly, you might want to avoid assuming that anyone residing in Japan is Japanese, you run the risk of the same mistake you accuse others of making.
When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.

And it's ironic that you chose Irish and Italians as two examples of the "white" subset, as they are two groups that historically shared a great deal of discrimination at the hands of more established racial groups when they first emigrated to America.

And to answer your question more specifically, this post came from I believe from someone from Japan:

I'm just guessing, but I think that the white people don't mean to imply that you're not American by saying that. It's probably the same (in their minds) as when they call themselves Irish or Italian or whatever.

I would like an apology for assuming I'm a racist. But if you do, then Mikawa Ossan may too feel the brunt of your anger. Mikawa brought it up and I answered. The title is Ask a Japanese American.

P.S. Read before you post.
 
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When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.

I think what he meant was that someone living in Japan might not necessarily be of Japanese decent or a citizen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mikawa Ossan, who you directed one of your posts toward, does not have any Japanese ancestry. Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.

Secondly, the title is not taken lightly.

What do you mean?
 
I think what he meant was that someone living in Japan might not necessarily be of Japanese decent or a citizen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mikawa Ossan, who you directed one of your posts toward, does not have any Japanese ancestry. Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
What do you mean?

No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.
 
I am aware of the history of Asian immigrants in the US. It was unnecessary to paste a chronology of events to illustrate that there IS a history. I was not referring to your historical cultural identity; I was remarking on your apparent belief that eating burdock or being able to use chopsticks sets you apart from anyone else, or that these elements of a cultural heritage are unique to your ethnic subset of America.

Unless it's removed, I was quoting someone.
Or he may be kokujin. But I digress. Well living here in the States, the first appearance makes the person. If you see an Irish or an Italian, you think: white. See an Asian? One thinks gaijin. It's the way the world revolves.
This was the statement I was referring to. The person you quoted mentioned these groups as identifying themselves by their familial heritage in order to establish themselves as an ethnic group; YOU lumped them together as "white," or just assumed that that is the way people think.

When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.
Have you heard of an expatriate?

I've lived in Japan and that doesn't make me Japanese. The treatment of foreign residents in Japan is still a point of contention, and in many cases are not recognized as "Japanese" even after living there for decades (look up "zainichi" for a particularly compelling example).

No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.
... how does living in Japan make your ethnicity Japanese? I didn't know that I could change my heritage just by moving to another country...
 
I am aware of the history of Asian immigrants in the US. It was unnecessary to paste a chronology of events to illustrate that there IS a history. I was not referring to your historical cultural identity; I was remarking on your apparent belief that eating burdock or being able to use chopsticks sets you apart from anyone else, or that these elements of a cultural heritage are unique to your ethnic subset of America.

Good, so I won't have to repeat why we call ourselves Japanese American

This was the statement I was referring to. The person you quoted mentioned these groups as identifying themselves by their familial heritage in order to establish themselves as an ethnic group; YOU lumped them together as "white," or just assumed that that is the way people think.

Last time I check, both countries are European and yes, there are non-white. But everything I learned in school referenced white people. Well maybe it's time that our school system change the curriculum and really teach.

Have you heard of an expatriate?

Yes I have. And good for them wanting to live in a foreign country. But I couldn't care less where they live, as I feel there is a lot more to learn here in the U.S. my place of birth.

I've lived in Japan and that doesn't make me Japanese. The treatment of foreign residents in Japan is still a point of contention, and in many cases are not recognized as "Japanese" even after living there for decades (look up "zainichi" for a particularly compelling example).

Of course it does not. Did you give up your citizenship? Assuming you're from Africa. Did you give up your country of origin's status? I'm going to assume Zaire. In order to be an African Japanese, you have to give up your citizenship and take on the Japanese status. They do that here in the U.S. You give up your allegiance to your home country. Unless you did that, you are NOT a Japanese citizen, therefore you are NOT an African Japanese. And even if you were to give up your citizenship from Zaire, they may not make you a Japanese citizen. Japan is racist, or they have the right to do so.
 
This should be an example of topics not to post.

Agreed, when I first saw this my initial thought was, "What qualifies this guy as some sort of expert?" Honestly, if you walked over to a group of people and started presenting yourself and speaking like this they would most likely react with, "Who the heck are YOU? Who made you some expert?" and rightly so I might add.

There are too many alarms going off in my head with this thread, as if it is some sort of cultural carnival act of the 1950s. An example would be for me to declare indirectly THE question and answer man on all of the US, and post a thread on a Japanese forum called, "Ask a White American" then throw up some excessively long time tables that make it seem as if I did an ACTUALLY historiography of events in my "spare time."

Sometimes the way you introduce yourself and the topic can have EVERYTHING to do with how a post will be received. This one is just leaving "bad vibes," so I'm going to poke it with a 10-foot pole and walk away.

There are many ways to speak about the issue of Japanese-Americans, kibei, nikeijin, etc. I want to further clarify that statement that there are many BETTER and more PRODUCTIVE ways to discuss such a topic. I don't see this thread going anywhere good...

(Side Note: I've done numerous projects on Japanese-Americans in the United States, especially since a close family friend and her family are the reason why I became interested in Japan and was invited to numerous family and community events in the past. Just because of this, does not define me as a source, expert, or talking head on the subject and present myself in a manner that would indicate such. Nor would it if I was Japanese-American myself.)
 
And even if you were to give up your citizenship from Zaire, they may not make you a Japanese citizen. Japan is racist, or they have the right to do so.
The "right"? Think again. The country signed a treaty against racial discrimination over a decade ago, thus stating to the world that it did NOT have such a thing (the "right"). Sadly, it has not done anything to enact laws against such discrimination.

Oh, and the laws on dual nationality are up for change again here.

Your whole thread is full of confusing posts.

You're not into anime, yet you boast about knowing some history because you are an anime freak. Huh? How's that?

You say you are sansei because dad was nisei, but in the same paragraph you write "my mother was from Yamagata Shinjo-shi. I don't speak Japanese very well and I'm a nisei." Am I missing something here?

You clearly call yourself Japanese-American, yet you wrote "I am not a compound adjective." Choose, ok?

This quote is chocked full of weirdness:
When is someone living in Japan not Japanese? I'm in the U.S. and I'm an American. A white living in Africa, moving to the U.S. and becoming a naturalized citizen is an African American. Or is the title reserved only for black folks? And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.
For starters, I live in Japan, yet I am not Japanese (just like the other 2 million of us foreigners).

Your example of the white person becoming naturalized is a test of semantics. He is only technically African American; he is also technically a mere naturalized US citizen. And, no the title African American is not reserved only for people with black skin, but they represent the vast majority of people with that moniker. It's a mindset. Lastly, non-Japanese living in Japan are considered gaijin by some. A more proper and polite term is gaikokujin. Gaijin is often an offensive word.

HalfNHalf wrote: Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
You responded: No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan.
Totally wrong in more ways than one. You just don't get it.
 
Agreed, when I first saw this my initial thought was, "What qualifies this guy as some sort of expert?" Honestly, if you walked over to a group of people and started presenting yourself and speaking like this they would most likely react with, "Who the heck are YOU? Who made you some expert?" and rightly so I might add.

There are too many alarms going off in my head with this thread, as if it is some sort of cultural carnival act of the 1950s. An example would be for me to declare indirectly THE question and answer man on all of the US, and post a thread on a Japanese forum called, "Ask a White American" then throw up some excessively long time tables that make it seem as if I did an ACTUALLY historiography of events in my "spare time."

Sometimes the way you introduce yourself and the topic can have EVERYTHING to do with how a post will be received. This one is just leaving "bad vibes," so I'm going to poke it with a 10-foot pole and walk away. I don't see this thread going anywhere good...

Well there is a correlation with this thread and BBS. Both have something to do with Japanese. But if you're not liking or anyone else, this thread, have it removed. Last I checked, there is nothing in the EULA or TOS prohibiting me from doing so. So unless I violate something, just keeping asking and I'll post
 
The "right"? Think again. The country signed a treaty against racial discrimination over a decade ago, thus stating to the world that it did NOT have such a thing (the "right"). Sadly, it has not done anything to enact laws against such discrimination.
Oh, and the laws on dual nationality are up for change again here.
Now imagine that while being a citizen of a nation. Sucks, huh?
 
I don't think we're on the same page here... citizenship and ethnicity are different things. You don't carry Japanese citizenship, but you identify yourself as Japanese and American, then you call Japan racist. And keep using Africa as a reference, where the lines between nationality and ethnicity are even more blurred?

OK, nevermind. You're a beautiful snowflake that can use chopsticks. Good for you. Sorry I didn't have more questions like "what's it like to look Japanese but not know the language?"
 
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite threads.

Now imagine that while being a citizen of a nation. Sucks, huh?

OK, so, let me ask you a question. Do you think Japanese-Americans (or Japanese Americans) are being discriminated against in the United States?
 
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